Opioids "tight" veins?

[cracktastic]

I'm an IV user and have been for about 7 years. I used to only fire heroin, but I wound up putting a bunch of meth up my tubes for a couple years, and needless to say, it's a rare occasion to be able to get a shot in in less than an hour. I now IV Suboxone and have for the last 2 years...(heroin addiction took me to hell and back. With Sub, I only need 2 4mg shots a day to feel well, compared to countless with heroin.) Anyways my veins suck. I know the difference between a vein and an artery (learned the hard way) and I know what I'm about to describe is not the result of an artery injection. (Ive burned myself up with arteries pretty bad. Had all the flesh on 2 fingers die for awhile that way.) Anyways, registered in a small vein on the palm-side of my left index finger this morning, but had to go SO slow to push the 40 units in, because of the burning hot pain that began after 5 units was pushed in. Continued to draw thick, dark blood, and continued to take the shot without a bump. Question: does anyone else have similar experience with "tight" veins?

On another note, I never really had vein problems when I was IVing suboxone tablets. With Suboxone films, my veins run and hide as if I was still pumping shards into them.

 

[cracktastic]

Additional question: does anyone elses veins ever "leak"? I register sometimes, but anywhere from an inch to a foot up from my injection site, a bubble forms.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

What size needle are you using? The veins in your fingers and shit are tiny and very fragile. They very easily blow, leak, etc. So, you have to use a very small gauge needle, make sure it's always new, and be very gentle. Push too fast, and it'll blow or leak, have too big a gauged rig, same thing.

Also, If you're not micron filtering your suboxone, it's incredibly hard on the veins. You'll damage them much faster IV'ing pills/suboxone.

 

[BlueHues]

^You shouldn't be shooting bupe in your situation...of course now you have a tolerance to IV bupe...but it works fine taken normally, and you should be able to transition..8 mgs a day is way more than you actually need anyway(needed)...stopping that should be your top priority.

As far as what you're describing, it does sound like you're either through the vein, or some is leaking out somehow due to the position of a needle..especially if there's no swelling...A lot of scenarios can cause burning, but if it's localized, it's probably leaking out into the surrounding tissue..

I've been blessed with great veins, and even if I have trouble with one area, I can just stop using it for awhile...I have big, visible veins..I've never had a bubble form far from the IV site, unless you're talking about the "poison ivy" stuff that happens with a histamine reaction.

 

[cracktastic]

I'm using 31g 8mm. I alwaya go small. And thanks to a chain-pharmacy that believes in HR, a box of 100 is only $14. I use a new one every stick. I know I shouldn't be IVing it but its the addiction to the needle and the PURE HATRID of the taste that keeps me administering it that way.

I was once blessed with decent visible veins. I'm 5'8 and a steady 145, so a little dude like me WAS lucky. However since the methcapades, there's next to nothing.

I literally will have 5 mins to walk out the door for work, a syringe filled to the top with blood, and will continue to try and IV. Will NOT put it under my tongue.

 

[cracktastic]

After 5 years of Sub IV, Im scared Im building up film in my heart/lungs too...any thoughts?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

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Will NOT put it under my tongue.

Maybe you should start.. because other than satisfying your needle fetish, IV'ing your bupe is doing nothing extra for you... there is no rush, it's pointless to shoot. You're doing all that damage to your veins for basically no return. Taking it SL feels pretty much the same way, and you wont be taking all these risks IV'ing suboxone..