so you cant really say how you feel on them yet? so far it doesnt have any pleasant effect and that is you are sure of? because i would suspect at least some pleasure out of their dopamine activity. there must be some!
Ok, yes, there is some pleasure but it pales in comparison to traditional stims. It does feel good when it kicks in but it's not overwhelming... On par, if not a little better than, the enjoyement I get from caffeine I guess?
I have more experience with n methyl cyclazodone at this point. The perfect dose of n methyl cyclazodone for me is ~20mg. At this dose I get decent functional stimulation that lasts 7-10hrs with lingering residual stimulation still felt 24hrs later. Sleep is possible 10-12 hrs after dosing without sleep aides but it does take longer than usual to fall asleep due to lingering residual stimulation.
The effects, for me, are not overwhelming. Rarely do I feel like I'm tweaking. There can be some jaw tension and muscle tightness (legs for example) but it's mild compared to other stims. Mostly I just notice increased focus, motivation and physical ability.
There just doesn't feel like a huge dump or rush of dopamine. I generally don't find myself talking too much, no uncontrollable urge to redose, no uncontrollable urge to watch porn (both urges to redose and watch porn are big problems for me with most stims), little in the way of uncontrollable ticks or other odd stimulant behaviors. It's possible all this stuff appears with higher doses but I have no desire to find out... Which is strange because with most stimulants I feel compelled to take them to their limits.
Dose response curve is steep when unwanted side effects are taken into consideration. Just a little too much of a dose and it gets kinda uncomfortable. Hard to explain but it's not like other stimulants where too much gets you tweaking hard... It just becomes uncomfortable in a way that's hard to describe. Guess it's just too much anxiety?
I really think these drugs are going to lead to a great functional stimulant with lower abuse potential. They may not be the perfect one yet (potential liver concerns for example) but I think its a step in the right direction.