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Heroin Thinking about IV for the first time..

ChinaWhiteHeroin

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I don't reallllly want to hear how it's bad and it's the downfall of my life, I know this, and I accept it right now.. I want to know the safest way to do it or any other tips. I'm sure it's pretty basic, I've seen it done a few times and was always very terrified of it, but it just doesn't look that scary. I normally snort, but it's getting harder to get high.. I snort mine, n I'm hardly high, my friend shoots the same amount and he is wrecked.. Starting to seem appealing..
 
Use the search function... There is a wealth of information on this site about IV'ing, especially if all you need to know is the basics.

Start with the IV link I have in my signature. It's a vast database if info.. And that's just one thread out of hundreds..

Do some at least basic research before coming here and posting something so vague and general. I'll give you time to look into it and come back to post more specific questions before this is closed.
 
I used opiates for two years before IVing. For those two years, opiates were great. I was physically dependent, but in control of my habit. I've a very strong willed person, and I was always very honest with myself with my drug use, and very careful. I was functional, I was working full time making 40k a year, life was good. When I switched to IV, I became a full blown addict just like 100% of people who switch to IV and are physically addicted. I lost all control of my habit, the craving were just too intense. You will destroy your veins, even if you're careful. After 3 months, I was broke and in debt. My tolerance was so high that I couldn't even get high anymore, I just shot up not to be sick. And I had to buy so much just not to be sick I just couldn't afford it. I switched to methadone, and it really saved my life. But I still crave IV constantly, I relapse every few weeks. It's horrible, I've never given in to cravings before.. and even though I'm doing better, I'm still trying to repair the damage to my health, my relationship, my finances, my job..

I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it, but I can't possibly give you advice on how to IV without telling you the consequences. You will not be able to control your habit once you start IVing. And there is no going back. At first yes, smaller amounts will get you high. But tolerance is inevetible, you will soon be right back where you are now. But things will be a lot worse.
 
Feel free to ask any questions in here that may arise during your research, just meet us half way.

A few basic things:

-NEVER reuse a needle, destroy each needle after use and then properly dispose of it in a safe sharps container, like an empty container of bleach. Reusing needles is dangerous, disgusting, and destructive on your veins.

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-Always use clean water.
Thought this might be a useful thread to help counter the popular myth that bottled spring water is safer to inject than regular tap water. This issue has been thoroughly researched by harm reduction services across the world, and the following has been published by Exchange Supplies. This advice was written for the UK, however it applies to basically all countries in the developed world, who have standards in place on the treatment of drinking water.

Hierarchy of Water Risks (Safest to least safe)

1) Unopened ampoule of sterile water

The 'gold standard' for safety, an ampoule of water for injections means that the water used for dissolving the drugs isn't going to be the source of viral or bacterial infection.

2) Boiled water

Boiling water in a kettle will kill virtually all organisms, and using boiled water from a kettle is the advice to injectors who do not have an ampoule of water for injections.

Although it is true that to guarantee that even the most resistant pathogens are killed the water should be boiled for several minutes, in practice the additional benefits are few and advice to boil water in a pan is problematic because:

* the water takes time to cool, and could become contaminated during cooling;
* the pan or lid used to boil the water could be contaminated; and
* the advice is unlikely to be followed, and there is a risk that injectors will take the view that if they can't follow the advice, then they might as well not bother doing anything because they are taking a risk anyway.

3) Kitchen tap - cold water

The reason the poster differentiates the kitchen tap from other taps in the house is that the kitchen tap is usually fed from the rising main which, in the UK, is usually virtually or completely free from bacteria.

Water from bathroom taps may have been stored in a cold water tank in the roof where it can become much more contaminated with bacteria: not a problem if you're drinking it, the acid of the stomach is able to kill low levels of bacteria without a problem, but not so good if the water is being injected.

4) Bottled water

The constant advertising and marketing of bottled water has created a strong perception in the public psyche of it as a pure, safe source of water that is better than tap water.

Certainly in the UK it is open to debate whether this is true in terms of drinking water – the UK has a very good safety record for our drinking water which is pure and free from contamination. But for use as a liquid for dissolving drugs for injection, there is no debate: tap water is almost always better than bottled water because the bacteria count will be lower. The bacteria count in bottled water is much higher than in tap water, and varies according to the temperature at which it is stored, and can be very high if someone has drunk the water from the bottle.

This is not to say that the bacteria in bottled water are harmful if drunk – the acid in your stomach is perfectly well able to kill bacteria at these levels, however when injected intravenously, they can cause infections.

Distilled water

Distilled water is boiled and then condensed to ensure it is free of all minerals, and people could be excused for thinking that it might be sterile. However, the end use of distilled water is in machinery and there is no requirement for the water to be clean in terms of bacteria count. Indeed the condensing plates and bottling plants are often low tech, and dirty.

5) Hot water from a tap

The water in a domestic hot water tank is not hot enough to kill all bacteria. If the tank has been warmed and cooled, the bacteria count can grow.

6) Toilet water

It could be argued that pointing out the dangers of drawing water out of a toilet is stating the obvious, but having it there – and not at the bottom of the list – makes the point that the other sources of water below it are *really* dangerous.

There was some debate in the drafting process about whether the harm reduction advice to take water from the cistern rather than the bowl, but we didn't for two reasons:

* firstly, most public toilets have the cisterns secured and inaccessible; and
* secondly where people can access cisterns they can usually access a tap.

7) Puddle water

As with toilet water this is on the poster to highlight the serious nature of the risks associated with water that could be contaminated with blood.

The advice to catch rain water instead was suggested by homeless drug users, who described it as a harm reduction strategy they had developed.

8 ) Part-used ampoule

Many injecting drug users underestimate the risks of sharing the source of water that they use for preparing their drugs for injection.

Because ampoules of water for injections 'feel' medical, safe and sterile, injectors will sometimes choose to take water from a part used ampoule. Clearly this carries a very high risk of viral infection (hep C, hep B, HIV), and this is highlighted by the position of the opened ampoule below water from toilets and puddles.

9) Shared cup

Too often when there is a group of injectors together in a room, the source of water used for preparing drugs for injection, is a single cup of water.

Sometimes this same cup is used to draw water to clean injecting equipment, and to repeatedly draw water to prepare drugs for injection.

This presents a significant risk of blood borne virus transmission, and one of the key functions of the poster is to highlight this risk and danger - which many injectors are not aware of, or underestimate.

There was some debate during the peer review process as to whether the ampoule was higher risk than the cup, but as the ampoule has a limited volume it is unlikely that it could have been contaminated by more than one person, whereas the cup could have been contaminated by many – hence it's position at the bottom of the table.
 
There's not very many people that turn to the needle and can walk away. I would think long and hard before deciding to stick a needle in your arm.
 
please dont, yes it feels undescribable. but then you need more and more, the high is never the same. you'll be chasing it forever and your body will deteriorate because of it. i wish i had never shot up. i didnt listen to people when they said no, and wanted to learn on my own and make my own mistakes....then you already know the cliche "if i knew then what i know now"

have you been watching "walk hard"? haha jk.

really, though....i would not recommend IVing anything if you never have before....but it is rather wonderful. i recommend you at the very least find an experienced and SMART user to help you out, though.
 
have you been watching "walk hard"? haha jk.

really, though....i would not recommend IVing anything if you never have before....but it is rather wonderful. i recommend you at the very least find an experienced and SMART user to help you out, though.

Some signs of a NOT-SMART user:
-unsterile environment, materials, improper hygiene, lack of isopropyl.
-look at their veins, that should tell you how good they are.
-applying heat
-improper mixing cup like a spoon instead of a stericup, which you can get at needle exchanges, in addition to a wealth of information on IV drug abuse that might hopefully deter you from proceeding with this. Seriously. Spend some time at your local needle exchange before you shoot up.
 
Ok, I know that In my original post, I said I didn't want to to hear it and blah blah.. I think I was honestly hoping someone would talk me out of it, deep down inside. It's been a long fucked up day, but I decided against it. Thank you guys for telling me what I needed to hear.
 
I used opiates for two years before IVing. For those two years, opiates were great. I was physically dependent, but in control of my habit. I've a very strong willed person, and I was always very honest with myself with my drug use, and very careful. I was functional, I was working full time making 40k a year, life was good. When I switched to IV, I became a full blown addict just like 100% of people who switch to IV and are physically addicted. I lost all control of my habit, the craving were just too intense. You will destroy your veins, even if you're careful. After 3 months, I was broke and in debt. My tolerance was so high that I couldn't even get high anymore, I just shot up not to be sick. And I had to buy so much just not to be sick I just couldn't afford it. I switched to methadone, and it really saved my life. But I still crave IV constantly, I relapse every few weeks. It's horrible, I've never given in to cravings before.. and even though I'm doing better, I'm still trying to repair the damage to my health, my relationship, my finances, my job..

I'm sorry if you don't want to hear it, but I can't possibly give you advice on how to IV without telling you the consequences. You will not be able to control your habit once you start IVing. And there is no going back. At first yes, smaller amounts will get you high. But tolerance is inevetible, you will soon be right back where you are now. But things will be a lot worse.

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What this person said is the truth. Don't IV, you will have a lot more fun with anything drugwise if you keep yourself from ever going down this route.

Not only will you not be able to get as high anymore, risk all kinds of shit, and probably destroy your life

You wont be able to be happy ever again.. I say this because I used to be a pretty happy person and had a decent life.. once I started to IV heroin, I have not and probably will not ever be happy like I was before the inevetibly bad decision to shoot up something that could have been fine.

Don't do it dude, don't. Please.
 
I no its not the smartest thing to say but I would say it is possible to do. Its been working for me for a couple of years now, im chipping along nicely but thats not say that something cant go wrong. atm im on a 2 month break which is part of my set of rules(Pretty much vital if you are going to) While I sometimes get cravings its nothing unmanageable especially if you keep busy. But once you experience that rush once you will never forget so make that decision wisely but know that It is possible
 
I would, if I were you, get out of the opioid use as fast as possible. Sniffing can ruin your life just as easy. I managed to not get addicted for 2 years, but once I did....

Opioids are not a joke, and IV opioid use is the fastest way to loosing your vains, teeth, mind.
 
The fact that, in my opinion, make a decision like this a sure recipe for disaster, is that you already know that you like heroin, that you are already addicted.

I mean, back when i used to smoke it, i've been idiot enough to offer it to people i lived with and that were trying it for the first time and the results have been unexpected, as i am the only one who ever developed and maintained an addiction. If you were completely naive, the situation would ironically be less serious, because your reactions to the drug or to the ROA would not be completely predictable.

On the contrary, for a person who has already made the connection "drug--->only way to be fine", switching from a ROA to another which allows a faster and better absorption of the drug intrinsically implies a worsening of the addiction, a worsening of his compulsive behavior, a progressive impossibility to achieve a pleasurable state while on the drug and therefore a levitation of costs.

I started to IV for economical reasons as well, but in the long run there is no way that shooting up is going to make you save money: it is, in fact, the contrary. Plus all the health risks (physical and mental) that shooting up poses.

The best thing that has been said is probably this:

Tolerance plays a bigger role on the high you're going to get than the ROA does.

Stick to snorting it IMO.

Maybe you could find a way to reduce your tolerance, even if i know that it's very difficult to do while addicted. You could abstain for some time or you can find a substitute that you can exactly measure and therefore reduce over some time. For example, i managed to taper off substantially and almost painfully with poppy pods or tramadol a couple of times: i made a schedule like "everyday 1 g less of mashed poppies in the tea" and things went fine, to my surprise. I understand that you cannot be in the position to be able to do that, these are just examples of things i did, but the point is: switching to shooting is not going to do any good for you apart from making you save some bucks for maybe a month; finding a way to reduce your tolerance would be way better.
 
i can honestly say its not like once you IV theres no other way to do your drugs. That being said it does really want to make you IV ALOT more. If you have strong self will and can switch back and forth between ROA's and how offten you use then you might be able to control your habit. But trust me man why dont you try smoking first? or hell even plugging?
 
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