There's Difficult Trips and Then There's Bad Trips!!!

[d-Dexter-25]

After posting many times about the effects of really bad trips or rather the place you enter i've gotten less responces then i'd hope for. It does seem these really horrible trips do happen to alot of people but I often wonder if anyone has felt excactly what i'm trying to express!!! First i'd like to say a trip that you are pacing back and forth thinking you may die is not what I consider a bad trip, I think of bad trips having no base in reality occompanied by a catatonic state usually!!!

Ok here's the best way I can describe it...

In really bad trips usually ones caused by high doses where you go catatonic you become trapped into a repeating loophole of extreme psychedelic hallucinations which can be extremely hellish in nature and vibe which is crazy and insane in intensity where you feel you have lost it and you will never return. Also all your senses come together into some type of hellish repeating psychedelic nightmare mind show that has repeating morphing interchanging psychedelic scenes.

None of this is reality based and you feel like your spiraling down into a hellish loop of torture, its like you no longer exsist as a human but rather your whole being is nothing but a looping repeating pattern that is occompanied by such extreme terror that its unbearable!!! You feel like it will never ever end and your trapped here for enternity to be tortured. Its so undescribable that it is making me upset in how I can't really explain the state!!! When I think of this state I get shivers every time, its so demonic and hellish that you swear your in hell and its a electric colorful looping pattern hell!!!

Its so bad that you really appreciate being sober afterwards and always swear off use of psychedelics again. That only lasts so long before your drawn to them again and as long as you don't use that high a dose right after it reasures you that the chemical is not a demon.

The point of this thread is for people to share this experience or something similar but please if the trip did'nt cause lose of reality and complete ego death then don't post about it cause thats not this extreme state of panic and terror!!!

 

[bluedolphin]

It's interesting to me that you find the state of ego loss and sensory blending to be a "hellish loop of torture". To me this is a totally blissful, peaceful state. This is often where people experience ++++ trips.

Now if you are talking about tripping on Salvia maybe it could be a little hellish

To me a Bad Trip consists of paranoid delusions, rapid downward and unresolveable mood swings, or overwhelming physical discomfort or concern. What you described actually sounds like maybe a difficult trip to me, but probably a blissful trip.

 

[d-Dexter-25]

No you don't understand then cause i've had my ego dissolve with complete psychedelic soup and have had amazing experiences!!! Nobody could describe what I felt as good or anything like that, i've even done DMT and although I don't call it fun but I do get use of it with no real negitive effects. I'm not sure what causes this state maybe set and setting but highly doubtful it just happens but always on a high dose.

For me my first one was an overdose of 100mg of 5MeO-DiPT so maybe thats why this happens to me I don't know but whats wierd is the same trippy feeling I get when i'm about to fall into that hole is the same feeling I get during good trips!!! However once I fall into that hole when I peak then it becomes something that I can only describe as HELL!!! If I were to imagine hell then that would be it infact before I felt that state i'd say being ripped apart slowing while burning in flames, now i'd take the flames and being ripped apart over that state!!!

Here's a old poem by huxley I believe...

To fall in hell,
Or sore angelic,
You need only a pinch of psychedelic!!!

 

[jamaica0535]

I have never had a bad trip on lsd, ive had instances where i got really sketched out in a not so great setting like a house with family in it...

My closest thing to a bad trip was my last experience with salvia, i got to see what death and judgment would be like if it was a televised talk show of sorts.... then i stepped into a camp fire and got a few small 2nd degree burns on my bare foot and ankle... interesting how well salvia can numb a person to pain, kappa opioid receptors evidently have an impact on your sense of pain, i did not feel a thing until it had worn off...

could have burned to death and not felt a thing if someone had not knocked me out of the fire pit after a second or two...

The experience felt real, it was as real as reality seems and i came to the conclusion that i had died. This would scare some people, but i accepted it fairly easily.... I learned that when death does come its not going to be a moment of terror, just skip all the typical phases of death and go straight to acceptance in a minute....

I still do not consider it a bad trip, stepping into a fire is bad, feeling that you have died is not pleasant but it wasn't a bad or difficult experience. Just let go of everything.... If you have no body or ego how hard is it to shed off simple emotions like fear and terror leaving just bliss?

 

[CrazyDiamond67]

Last trip I had on acid resulted in a very long stretch of intensely repeating audio hallucinations, ego-death, and just pure panic and massive depression and just rocked back in forth crying for the better half of a day... Ego-death in the sense that my ego was dead, not just removed, if that makes sense.

Sound like your definition of a bad trip?

 

[rickolasnice]

To me a Bad Trip consists of paranoid delusions, rapid downward and unresolveable mood swings, or overwhelming physical discomfort or concern. What you described actually sounds like maybe a difficult trip to me, but probably a blissful trip.

^^^

 

[d-Dexter-25]

The state i'm talking about and I have had others confirm this causes a catatonic state in which you are unaware of anything in reality!!! You may be screaming or moaning but you don't know that.

 

[PippUK]

Not sure. . .

If you've got to a point of ego dissolution, you can't really focus on whether it is 'bad' or not, and you are a captive of the rollercoaster until you touch down again. The 'you' perspective is lost until you perhaps start to piece together what has happened afterwards, along with ideas such as bad and good. 'Is' is the only possibility at times like this.
I've probably not experienced what the OP is talking about. When it gets challenging, I get some comfort from the following:
How bad can it get? I'm not in pain, so how much harm can an intensly looping thought issue cause? I usually just let them do their thing. Fighting them only draws attention to the lack of control you have over them. Better just to let them loop on. They always eventually fade into something different, and maybe they might even lead to something more interesting.
Having said all that, I bet my next trip decides to whup me good and proper. I wouldn't deny the existence of bad trips, but I would suggest a great many are down to a question of perspective.
All the best - Pipp

 

[immad]

After posting many times about the effects of really bad trips or rather the place you enter i've gotten less responces then i'd hope for. It does seem these really horrible trips do happen to alot of people but I often wonder if anyone has felt excactly what i'm trying to express!!! First i'd like to say a trip that you are pacing back and forth thinking you may die is not what I consider a bad trip, I think of bad trips having no base in reality occompanied by a catatonic state usually!!!

Ok here's the best way I can describe it...

In really bad trips usually ones caused by high doses where you go catatonic you become trapped into a repeating loophole of extreme psychedelic hallucinations which can be extremely hellish in nature and vibe which is crazy and insane in intensity where you feel you have lost it and you will never return. Also all your senses come together into some type of hellish repeating psychedelic nightmare mind show that has repeating morphing interchanging psychedelic scenes.

None of this is reality based and you feel like your spiraling down into a hellish loop of torture, its like you no longer exsist as a human but rather your whole being is nothing but a looping repeating pattern that is occompanied by such extreme terror that its unbearable!!! You feel like it will never ever end and your trapped here for enternity to be tortured. Its so undescribable that it is making me upset in how I can't really explain the state!!! When I think of this state I get shivers every time, its so demonic and hellish that you swear your in hell and its a electric colorful looping pattern hell!!!

Its so bad that you really appreciate being sober afterwards and always swear off use of psychedelics again. That only lasts so long before your drawn to them again and as long as you don't use that high a dose right after it reasures you that the chemical is not a demon.

The point of this thread is for people to share this experience or something similar but please if the trip did'nt cause lose of reality and complete ego death then don't post about it cause thats not this extreme state of panic and terror!!!

I've experienced such a state during my first mushroomtrip. I was physically sick the next day and felt drained, though it awakened the desire to explore even more. I attribute it to not being able to let go, thus inflicting the torture upon myself.

Never had a bad experience on mushrooms after that, it felt sort of like an initiation.

 

[d-Dexter-25]

If you've got to a point of ego dissolution, you can't really focus on whether it is 'bad' or not, and you are a captive of the rollercoaster until you touch down again. The 'you' perspective is lost until you perhaps start to piece together what has happened afterwards, along with ideas such as bad and good. 'Is' is the only possibility at times like this.
I've probably not experienced what the OP is talking about. When it gets challenging, I get some comfort from the following:
How bad can it get? I'm not in pain, so how much harm can an intensly looping thought issue cause? I usually just let them do their thing. Fighting them only draws attention to the lack of control you have over them. Better just to let them loop on. They always eventually fade into something different, and maybe they might even lead to something more interesting.
Having said all that, I bet my next trip decides to whup me good and proper. I wouldn't deny the existence of bad trips, but I would suggest a great many are down to a question of perspective.
All the best - Pipp

Ok you don't understand you cannot think any thoughts and there is no english launguge or any launguge for that matter and there is nothing but a looping pattern that is pure panic and terror!!!

I've come to this conclusion... I fucked up by taking 100mg of 5MeO-DiPT which was meant for somebody to show them they can't handle it which was bad karma as it was. It is a strong sense distorter with dissociative effects in high doses so its no wonder I had that first experience from hell!!! Now since then the trips were i've gone back there might just be PTSD seeping in and causing it during a trip!!!

If anyone wants to enter the state I entered as much as I don't recommend it then go ahead and take 100mg of 5MeO-DiPT!!! I'd be surprised if you did'nt enter that state. I wish I could describe it but I really can't but its soooo horrible I don't know what to say maybe i'm glimpsing into hell who knows but its like a very simple looping pattern with extreme panic and terror which is beyond anything that could be experienced here on earth and yes i'll take getting really tortured over it anyday!!!

I must state again i've had experiences where i've been completely out of reality with complete ego death where I no longer exsisted and have had positive experiences there!!! This place is very different feels like an sensory psychedelic overdose and falling into a colorful looping pattern HELL!!!

 

[n3ophy7e]

I've never had a "bad trip" as such, I've never become uncontrollably paranoid, delusional, negative emotions etc etc.

The closest I've come to a bad trip was a couple of years ago at a bush doof. I had 1 strong tab and a couple of hours in to the trip I couldn't actually SEE because of the intensity of the visuals. It just so happened that we had gone for a walk out in to the middle of the bush at this stage. So understandably I felt a bit insecure, not being able to actually see anything real. We had to make our way back to the car (very slowly :D), I had my hand CLASPED on to my boyfriend's the whole time, stumbling and tripping over roots and shrubs. At times I became very confused, disorientated and fearful, but these feelings soon eased because I knew I was in very trustworthy company.

Then when we got back to the car I was completely exhausted, and entered the retardo phase of the trip. I couldn't make any decisions (even whether or not I wanted to sit down!!). This was a bit of a downer for my boyfriend and mates, who (I'm sure) couldn't really enjoy their own trips as much because I was so retarded.

Ahh well, I'm sure we've all been there

Now, people who I've tripped with tend to describe my mind as a "fortress", because I never freak out on psychedelics. So I don't think I will ever have a full-on "bad trip". But I can definitely see how it could happen to some people, in some situations.

Do bad trips only happen to people who aren't quite prepared for the intesity of psychedelics?? Be it unprepared in mind set, physical setting, unaware of some aspects of the drug, etc?

 

[moracca]

if you are in a state where you truly can't form thoughts, it doesnt make sense to me that you would be able to perceive this fear or whatever it may be. Do you think it is more the mental aspects of it, or do you often SEE things which scare you? I must say I've never come close to that sort of an experience. But then again, I haven't taken as high a dosage as you either.

 

[cosmic charlie]

It's interesting to me that you find the state of ego loss and sensory blending to be a "hellish loop of torture". To me this is a totally blissful, peaceful state. This is often where people experience ++++ trips..

I feel the same way as you . I dont really have " Bad Trips" Ive had some very powerful ones taking large amounts of acid . Sometimes 30 hits or so and when I was in that trip I felt all of my ego disolve .It was a little scary at times but im glad I went throught it . Its made me the person I am today

 

[psychedelicious]

I've experienced ego dissolution many a time, and it has been blissful every time.

However, catatonia and this type of delusional godhead trip is NOT blissful, even if you do lose the ego. It's happened to me twice, each time on an unknown, long-lasting (18-24 hr) psychedelic sold as "acid". I believe it to have been DOB or DOI, possibly DOC... I have experienced ego loss on mushrooms, DMT, ketamine, DXM, and salvia. It was very, very different than the insane hellfire and brimstone trips.

Ego dissolution != Ego delusion

 

[Dre-Z]

i know EXACTLY what u mean. i had it on morning glory seeds, but not as bad as urs.

 

[GolemGolem]

Back in the late 90s,two strong tabs of acid, laying in my bed. It wasn't very visual everything just went black, except for an occasional blue spiral as I lost more of myself, I was very afraid. Eventually I was nothing but a single thought of how scared and unworthy I was, repeating for what felt like years. There was nothing, pitch black, no more spiral, no bodily sensation, no more fear, still aware of how unworthy I was, utterly alone, as I deserved. Vision started coming back as I came down slowly. I was left wanting to improve myself and thinking I could. I was fine and living better for a week or so, before going back to normal. Other than one nasty salvia experience that revolved around children torturing me while laughing and singing, that was the only trip I've had that I would call a bad trip.