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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Stimulants Therapeutic doses of methylphenidate based drugs, amphetamine based drugs, and lithium plus seraquel

Is there anything besides nicotine and caffeine I can use for countering the Clonidine of it starts to become too much.

I’m a little tired but I mean after yesterday I probably should beBlood pressure is 141 over 72 and HR 114 so maybe I’ll be okay as that was at 630 and it’s 1213 now. I think it’s half life is only 3-7 hours Iv. I booofed it so that’s the closest I can get for information
 
So I literally drive it strait to get work to keep there. Idk why she brought it home like wtf…can’t blame her tho. My sobriety is my responsibility.

Just if there right in my face it’s impossible for me to not abuse them and them once I’m high I lose it and don’t realize I’ve kept taking them.

I really thought I was going to die last night. And I started shouting them a lot.

I had a total of 60 so yeah I took 500mg. Over the course of the day. And it was literally just a constant state of panic for 8-10 hours. It was horrible.

I’m legit terrified of relapsing again. Because it’s only a matter of time before I go too far.

So yeah I’m not taking them again.
Are you terrified enough to call your doctor and tell them no more stimulants?

Here's the truth, stimulant medication can be very helpful to improving the quality of life of folks with ADHD, but they have some steep costs. Generally especially in younger people, the costs of sustained long term stimulant use outweigh the costs of unmedicated ADHD.

However you have a pretty serious addiction to seems like any and all zoomin. In fact at this point it reads like a straight up compulsion. You seem to be aware of this and straddling the "I want to stop but I keep subconciously setting up situations that I can sabotage just in case I get scared of stopping" which I am very familiar with personally.

I ran into the same exact cycle with alcohol. I spent a lot of time lying to people I cared about, but the most damage to that recovery path was lying to myself. Never REALLY detaching myself from "plan B" which was the second I have a bad day get absolutely smashed, or hey I went a week sober I wanna celebrate with 9 hours of straight whiskey and Rainbow Six Siege.

Eventually I realized what I hope you do too:

1. I had to set my addict side up for failure. My liquor store guy is a super wonderful man. I told him what was up and to not sell to me, and he agreed. So now I'd have to feel extra guilty if I wanted to go to a different store. It added just a hint of sobering reality, and some risk of embarassment as I did not have a card ID at the time I had lost it. I also told my family, and my boss. They all were supportive. And they both now would be more likely to recognize my hangover signs and symptoms. No more hiding it addict brain

Basically yes, as you say no one can REALLY hold you accountable. But you also can't win easily on your own. You can burn down all of your hiding places, expose yourself by making your safety net aware(its okay to need help) and put traps along the way to make it difficult and tedious to aquire your substance of choice, which oftentimes gave me enough pause to re-think what I was doing.

So to my point earlier, in your case you need to realize that regardless of your ADHD, you will live a much longer and far more fulfulling life once you decide that you can not take stimulant medications responsibly. ADHD can be treated with stuff like buproprion, and honestly the meds help my ADHD, but what really helped was therapy which gave me tools and points of view that could make planning and prioritizing make more sense. Stimulants are not helping you, they're hurting you.

I don't even you, they are very difficult to recover from. You're gonna need support, and you're gonna need to believe yourself that getting through the healing process will truly lead to a happier and more fulfilling life for you and your loved ones.

I had a friend who said that heroin and fentanyl are awful because you never know if you're going to wake up. But that stimulants were worse, because they take your entire soul first, and then they kill you. Get your soul back man
 
That’s the thing—-I’ve told them three times to not give them to me no matter what. And every time they give them to me still…

I l ow sobriety is my responsibility but man I swear I literally told them I abused this script and that one and this one and they still give them to me. I’m canceling my next appointment.
 
That’s the thing—-I’ve told them three times to not give them to me no matter what. And every time they give them to me still…

I l ow sobriety is my responsibility but man I swear I literally told them I abused this script and that one and this one and they still give them to me. I’m canceling my next appointment.
Jesus

That sounds like some lawsuit shit
 
Yeah…I mean it’s my responsibility but come on man. I’m an addict and they are an addiction center. They have been accused of just being a drug peddler
 
I ended up going to my wife’s work and she gave me a tiny dose for me just to offset the massiv Clonidine dose being that it’s half life is much longer than Ritalin. I just didn’t know what else to do except go to g he hospital and I’m almost thru the take end of the Clonidine so…it’s not enough to get me high
 
I ended up going to my wife’s work and she gave me a tiny dose for me just to offset the massiv Clonidine dose being that it’s half life is much longer than Ritalin. I just didn’t know what else to do except go to g he hospital and I’m almost thru the take end of the Clonidine so…it’s not enough to get me high
You're gonna have to crash out and reset. If you work it may be time to take emergency leave. If you were having kidney stones or somethin you wouldn't goof around trying to cover it up with bandaids and show face. You'd get it taken care of and rest to heal

After about a week or so of raw detox, you can start to look into supplements and stuff to help heal. Tbh working out and having an opimized sleep routine will quickly turn things around for you.

Stay away from any online community discussions of stim use. ADHD subreddits, obviously remove yourself from specific drug discussion based on stimulants but don't be afraid to consider taking a two or three month break from BlueLight. Absolutely BLOCK r/stopspeeding or similar recovery communities. God bless them and hope they get through it, but just like r/quittingkratom fucked my brain up, r/stopspeeding is a miserable, depressing, and misguided community that will more than likely make you afraid or help construct a "stimulant recovery takes years" impression that will allow you to only view recovery as a neurotransmitter upregulation battle, and its not.

I'll tell you right now though, you will have to suffer. You really only have to suffer for a week, but as you sober up, whatever makes you feel afraid of weak without stimulants is still gonna be there to kick your ass. You'll have to face that and win, whatever it may be.

But even now you're afraid of resting, of riding out a groggy annoying day of clonidine rebound, and that's gonna be a problem because sober life is full of mundane irritating repetitive days. But there's also endless profound humanity, nature, and happiness in every day if you look for it. Good luck, I'll be right there with you soon
 
I don’t mind the clonidine rebound. I was more concerned about the Ritalin wearing off since I booted .2 mg Clonidine while high and it’s dosed in the micrograms when given IV.

But to be honest. It didn’t make me feel any better. I think I’m safe now and just riding it out now.

I don’t think I’ll have a major withdraw because I was off stims for awhile before this. I appreciate your advice. Yeah I’m done with stims. Just not safe for me.
 
Yeah if I don’t make some changes I’m going to end up like them. Wondering if the fillers made there way to my brain but idk cuz every shot was clear but I suppose that doesn’t mean much. Hope I don’t get an absence. I don’t normally shoot shit since I quit heroin. I was injecting them but then ran out of veins. Fuckin sickens me…



Probably shoul get some different artists to
Listen to lol. If I get thru this and I’m sure I will, I’m making some major changes and gettkg more active in recuvery. It’s just I think I IVd most of those pills yesterday. And I m oh that’s not safe. Just keep getting sharp pains in my ear but that can be unrelated and sometimes blurry texts but I suppose that’s not that abnormal. Meh… just need some rest and recovery. I’ll be alright.
 
I’m at my suboxone appointment now and I will say that I am wondering if stimulants speed up suboxone elimination from the body because it’s only been two days since my last bupe dose and I’m withdrawling. Usually I do t withdrawl until like day 5-7.
 
Keep it simple man like all things aside, what was your struggle sober? Address that. One thing at a time. With your D to the O C T O R
 
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