the way you think when you're high/tripping

[qwe]

does it mean anything?

it feels like i'm deep within my thoughts
like i'm "under" my consciousness

there's no way you could describe it...

 

[bleedingheartcommie]

what i've noticed is taht a sober consciousness looks like this

l//^;/.,,,'k',:,/l'/,',:.'<<<>><>><><>______NM_NM<M

it's very linear , always concerned with past and future and putting everythiong into one line




when you smoke or what have you the altered perception breaks the line. it sort of isolates the immediate self and allows you to float around and meet firmiliar concepts from different directions.


if you do this for a bit you'll be able to make certtain connections b/w concepts in a more circular understanding

it allows you to make connections that you wouldn't normally make b/c you were too focussed on you path of thought.

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<<<<<<it feels like i'm deep within my thoughts
like i'm "under" my consciousness
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yeah, that's the meditative state. you are watching yourself think and are able to just watch b/c you dont try to control or judge what you see. and this creates the feeling of sort of a self inside a self watching.

it was explained to me in a book like this.
there is a monkey who sits at the gate of a house. he sits and watches who and what runs through the gate aand sometimes even stops things from going through. the things crossing the gate are your thoughts. the monkey is your awareness. if you sit and watch long enough without judgment, eventually the thoughts will stop and the monkey and the house will just be one. but it is important to know even b4 you start that the thoughts that run around and the monkey that watches are the same thing. and when you understand that, your mind will consist of a gentile plessant humm.



hope any of this abstract babble made sense to someone:D

 

[monkeyjunky]

I don't think it means anything unless you can relate it to other people. This is why, unless you are extremely articulate, a la Huxley, it is a mistake to talk at length about drug experiences.
This isn't to say the experiences aren't valuable - if you had a fun interesting time, then of course they are, but, unless you can connect them in some way to general reality (and most people really can't) they aren't really meaningful. (to me anyway)

 

[bleedingheartcommie]

^^^^ see previous post for proof

lmao

 

[qwe]

i wrote a sort-of-trip report talking about how you think when high/tripping a while ago... link

I don't think it means anything unless you can relate it to other people. This is why, unless you are extremely articulate, a la Huxley, it is a mistake to talk at length about drug experiences.
This isn't to say the experiences aren't valuable - if you had a fun interesting time, then of course they are, but, unless you can connect them in some way to general reality (and most people really can't) they aren't really meaningful. (to me anyway)

well you're treating sober reality as if it's the "real reality," i don't think you can prove that sober reality is any more accurate than a high reality... it is just more useful in most cases

what if we just need to apply/integrate our sober reality into the more accurate high reality? %)

 

[Snoodlegriffin]

well that is a pretty radical way of thinking--nothing wrong with that though. since most people have been sober from when they were born until the late teens, its sorta hard not to think of being sober as 'reality' or better yet, the norm of consciousness. you weren't born high, or tripping, so you did something (smoked, ate shrooms) to change your state of mind.

I tend to believe that the thoughts we have while high or tripping are thoughts within us, but have never been brought to light. Some people notice they are more creative or intelligent while high or on LSD or whatever. Where do you think those notions came from, the drug itself lol. With weed, moreso than psychadelics, I think there a better way to describe these thoughts--possibility. That's why we always come up with these seemingly random and radical ideas, ie "dude, what if the true reality is the reality when high".

Since it can't really be proven, it's a possibility. Some people get anxiety from others when smoking. ALmost always the anxiety is false, yet it is encountered as a possibility by the smoker.

 

[monkeyjunky]

well, even if you could say there's a "high" reality and a "sober" reality, how could you possibly qualify which one was true. What would true in that context even mean...?

 

[Medatripper Tates]

it feels like i'm deep within my thoughts
like i'm "under" my consciousness

more like, im under my thoughts, aware of the cloud of thought which is entering my consciousness. that, or my thoughts are completely destroyed

There is a totally different quality of being which comes by not thinking: not good, not bad, simply a state of no-thinking. You simply watch, you simply remain conscious, but you don´t think. And if some thought enters... they will enter, because thoughts are not yours; they are just floating in the air. All around there is a noosphere, a thought-sphere, all around. Just as there is air, there is thought all around you, and it goes on entering on its own accord. It stops only when you become more and more aware. There is something in it: if you become more aware, a thought simply disappears, it melts, because awareness is a greater energy than thought.

Awareness is like fire to thought. It is just like you burn a lamp in the house and the darkness cannot enter; you put the light off - from everywhere darkness has entered; without taking a single minute, a single moment, it is there. When the light burns in the house, the darkness cannot enter. Thoughts are like darkness: they enter only if there is no light within. Awareness is fire: you become more aware, less and less thoughts enter.

If you become really integrated in your awareness, thoughts don´t enter you; you have become an impenetrable citadel, nothing can penetrate you. Not that you are closed, remember - you are absolutely open; but just the very energy of awareness becomes your citadel. And when no thoughts can enter you, they will come and they will bypass you. You will see them coming, and simply, by the time they reach near you they turn. Then you can move anywhere, then you go to the very hell - nothing can affect you. This is what we mean by enlightenment.

 

[euphoria]

it feels like everyone else is fake and i am real. and i am in my own little world.

 

[qwe]

^i get that too
medatripper, this awareness stuff, i think i understand. whenever i focus on becoming aware, i ge tless thoughts, but i am super-aware

most of my life seems to be completely mechanized. i have varying degrees of awareness, usually quite low, except when i call it up (think about awarenes) i get really aware. then i analyse how aware i get and the awareness mostly goes away again because for some reason i cant think and be super-aware at the same time

it's like i'm a robot-computer-zombie... until i think about awareness

maybe i haev a dissociative disorder or maybe this is normal. (im talking abuot when im sober btw)

even focusing on music lowers my "awareness"... focusing on anything except awareness itself, lowers my "awareness"

 

[areflectionofnothing]

i don't know what happens when i trip. i see all this stuff, that i don't normally care to see. some stuff happens that makes me question what i can observe.

i get to the point where my powers of observation are so high- but then 'other things' happen.

synchronous events and such.

yea...

so because of tripping, i accept that i may not see all that is of influence.

it has restored my faith.

 

[nads]

In the throes of introspective stonage, my connectivity of concepts increases immensely until I invariably have an epiphany, of the non-religious variety, that leaves me suspended in the stratosphere of my thoughts as I attempt to trace back the path that was taken.

 

[qwe]

In the throes of introspective stonage, my connectivity of concepts increases immensely until I invariably have an epiphany, of the non-religious variety, that leaves me suspended in the stratosphere of my thoughts as I attempt to trace back the path that was taken.

same here... although i am never able to retrace because my short term memory is shot, and after trying to retrace i forget the epiphany

also, it doesnt have to be a grand epiphany... it can be a simple thing that you never would have noticed because your mind was being so rigid

 

[Rasclatt]

what i've noticed is taht a sober consciousness looks like this

l//^;/.,,,'k',:,/l'/,',:.'<<<>><>><><>______NM_NM<M

thats maybe a little worrying

 

[Psychedelics_r_best]

I have such amazing thoughts while Im on shrooms. I would wish for anything I could retain them while sober. I analyze everything, even why I analyze, and then I analyze why Im analyzing my analyzations. Then I think out all these crazy things that just end in loops, then I think shitm how can I solve that. Shrooms are great.

 

[u-n-I-o-n]

thats maybe a little worrying

think about it, of course sober consciousness looks like that. think a little harder, and it will even get messier. think super hard and you will never have the answer.

 

[Kirineuro]

it feels like everyone else is fake and i am real. and i am in my own little world.

Yeah....

Solipsism is the worst flavor of Hell. It's the worst feeling I can think of....just the idea that you will be alone forever, no one else is real....

Don't trip alone

 

[Dtergent]

I feel like the universe is so large and I am part of its pulse, and it feels nice that I can remember that beyond intoxication.

 

[Kirineuro]

^damn.

well fuckin' said! I believe I'm gonna save that quote for posterity and export......

 

[dada]

Drug experiences can and have been used as tools for viewing things in another light.