The Ultimate Anti-Drug

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Biotech corporations are formulating the drug to end all drugs – a vaccine against the 'disease' of drug-induced euphoria. A government-convened panel of scientists in the UK is considering what the Independent properly termed "a radical scheme" – a proposal to use vaccines, currently under development by pharmaceutical corporations, to immunize children against "euphoria" from drugs such as heroin, cocaine and nicotine. Panel members say the plan would target children who are at risk of becoming drug users in the future. They have not said how it would be determined who is at risk.

It's only a matter of time until some of our own drug war zealots or anti-drug mad scientists take the idea up here in the US, no matter how dangerous and immoral it is.

An anti-drug vaccine differs fundamentally from vaccines designed to protect individuals from diseases like measles, the example a committee member raised to the Independent's reporter. Measles is a disease that no one, or virtually no one, wants to catch, and which is communicable and could therefore spread to large numbers of people if unchecked. Perhaps measles vaccinations should not be compulsory, if we believe in freedom of choice. But the wisdom of such vaccinations is clear, and it's legitimate for society to encourage them and make them widely available.

An anti-drug vaccine, on the other hand, is designed to produce a permanent chemical alteration to an individual's brain chemistry to disable one's ability to experience certain mind states that humans are designed to be able to experience – and which despite their downsides many people desire to experience. Though heroin and cocaine are illegal, that might not always be the case, and nicotine is legal. Legal or not, it is the individual's human right to seek such experiences. But even if one disagrees with that last statement, to alter a human being's brain and body to make the experience impossible, forever, is an extremist approach.

The "side effects" of such an alteration are hard to predict. Heroin is an opiate drug that was developed for pain control, which is still used for pain control in some countries, and which is derived from morphine and hence fundamentally similar to many other pain medicines. Would a heroin vaccine interfere with the ability of a pain patient to gain relief through heroin or other opiate medications? Cocaine is also used as a medicine, not for such a large number of patients as the opiates, but important for the ones for whom it is used. Would a cocaine vaccine interfere with a patient's ability to gain those medical benefits? Would it interfere with the potency of similar drugs like novocaine? Does nicotine have current or potential medical uses that would be stymied by a vaccine?

Not necessarily – the physiological processes occurring in pain relief are not identical to those involved in opiate use to produce, euphoria, for example, or for relieving the cravings of an addiction. Nor, however, are they entirely dissimilar – it's the same substance, after all. How can we determine in advance, with surety, that no such problems will arise? Through experimentation? On children? It's true that experimental drug trials are an accepted part of medical research, and some may even by necessity involve children as test subjects.

But the anti-drug vaccine is a fundamentally different proposition in this respect as well, for at least two reasons. One is that it is not necessary, as effective alternatives for reducing or avoiding the harms that sometimes from drug addiction are already available – moderation, harm reduction, and abstinence. The other reason is the sheer scale, in time and in numbers of people, that would be needed to thoroughly assess an anti-drug vaccine's risks and effects. It's not something that can be accomplished in one or even ten years, with any reasonable number of people, because it's not sufficient to inject a test set of children with the vaccine and then feed them addictive drugs years later to see what happens.

Take the number of people needed for a proper drug trial. Then divide that by the fraction of them who statistically are likely to suffer from serious medical conditions in the future that require with opiates (a larger number) or cocaine (a smaller number). That much larger number of test subjects is the minimum number needed to ensure that the subset of the test subjects who will develop severe chronic pain and other serious conditions in the future will be available and still part of the study. There would need to be an ample number of them requiring heavy use of opiates. And the time scale is a lifetime, as the subjects would receive the vaccinations as children while the drugs are most often needed as medicines late in life.

We're not talking thousands of test subjects, nor tens of thousands. We are talking about at least hundreds of thousands and probably millions or more – a substantial chunk of a generation – with statistically significant results not possible for the better part of a century, to determine with any degree of confidence that such vaccines will not interfere with important medical treatments later in life.

If informed, consenting adults want to take an anti-drug vaccine, and if it could work on adults, maybe they should have that right. But the government should play no role in sponsoring, nor even encouraging, such a practice. An anti-drug vaccine for children is such a bad idea that it isn't even worth considering.

David Borden is executive director of DRCnet.
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The Ultimate Anti-Drug
By David Borden, AlterNet. Posted August 10, 2004.

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I don't know about some of those guys opinions. I can't see why you would need 100,000 to a million people to show that an anti-"addictive" drug vaccine would work.
For nicotine, assuming 15% of the sample population becomes addicted (which is conservative from my reading), and the vaccine reduces drug addiction by 20% (which I think is conservative, so long as the vaccine stays at high enough concentrations for long enough), then you only need a little under 3000 people to show a statistically significant result*.

With heroin, the stats are a little harder. But from what I've read, around 0.01-0.005% of the population might be considered heroin dependent. Still assuming a 20% reduction, I figured you needed somewhere around 30,000 people for the study (assuming 0.01%) or around 50,000 (assuming 0.005%) to get significance#.

Also, his assertion that "[the addiction vaccine] is not necessary, as effective alternatives for reducing or avoiding the harms that sometimes from drug addiction are already available – moderation, harm reduction, and abstinence". Despite that not really making sense (at least to me), I do get what he's saying, but I don't really understand anyway. Is he saying that "moderation, harm reduction, and abstinence" are the only tools we need to help cure drug addiction? So we should throw methadone, heroin and buprinorphin plans out? And if those things are readily available, and work so well, then why the hell do we have people who are addicted to drugs, and want to quit, but can't?

Someone fill me in if my stats, or my English is wrong.

* Statistical test used: Fishers exact test, with alpha=0.01
# Statistical test used: Chi squared test, with alpha=0.005
 
Hmm. Can't wait til it makes it to the U.S. Then I'll have something to fight against and sabotage other than Starbucks and Animal testing labs.



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"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose."

We have everything to lose, including our right to make decisions about our bodies. This is disgusting.
 
I received an overview of this subject given by a neurobiologist PHD, and have read posts both here and with the bees, so I feel I have a good understanding of how these vaccines will work.

Would a heroin vaccine interfere with the ability of a pain patient to gain relief through heroin
Yes, absolutely. The vaccine works to DEACTIVATE all heroin molecules in the body, it does not JUST block euphoria (as an opioid receptor antagonist would do), but actually prevents the molecules from reaching the brain!
or other opiate medications?
OpiATEs, probably, OpiOIDs, no. The vaccine creates antibodies which bind to a chosen molecule (and likely some very similar molecules, such as morphine, which is VERY similar to heroin), thus changing its shape and preventing it from fulfilling its usual function. (of course the danger is that the new shape has a new, potentially harmful function)

the physiological processes occurring in pain relief are not identical to those involved in opiate use to produce, euphoria, for example, or for relieving the cravings of an addiction
I would disagree with this statement ENTIRELY. Euphoria is caused by the MU opiate receptor, pain relief is caused by the MU opiate receptor! Physical tolerance is caused by the MU opiate receptor (although the delta modulates it as well)! If, by "cravings of addiction" they mean opiate WITHDRAWAL, YES, withdrawal is caused by the MU opiate receptor. Of course, due to the way these vaccines work, the receptors don't matter (unless they have a 2nd part to this evil plan which involves altering the brain structure), heroin will be DEACTIVATED before it even reaches the brain!

Is he saying that "moderation, harm reduction, and abstinence" are the only tools we need to help cure drug addiction?
If he's not, I will! Harm reduction alone includes teaching people HOW to use drugs safely, and how to AVOID HARM, including addiction. A big part of harm reduction is CONVINCING people that staying safe is really worthwhile.

So we should throw methadone, heroin and buprinorphin plans out?
These are all a PART of harm reduction.


The things I'm afraid of regarding this vaccine are:
The possibility of mutation to a more harmful pathogen.
The risk of horrible side effects to those children who are vaccinated.
The slippery slope it presents, possibly leading to vaccines against ALL non-approved drugs, and maybe later on, against unapproved activities or thought patterns. It sets a precedent for the governments of this world to ALTER THE BRAIN FUNCTION OF ITS CITIZENS. I could really imagine legislatures convinced by quack scientists pitching their next biotech moneymaker that it IS worth altering the brain to DESTROY the ID or the EGO to prevent all crime. Free will is a huge liability to the power hungry governments of the world, and they would stop at NO COST to remove it. Of course, almost every religion presents SIN as a consequence of FREE WILL, however FREE WILL is what makes humans human. I could imagine a corrupt totalitarian world not only removing free will, but inadvertently ending the human race in the process. Every step of reduced liberties is actually a different route of arriving at the same conclusion. My philosophy of life is that Freedom it is all about Choices. Unfortunately in this world, those without MONEY also have very FEW choices. The poor are often put into situations where their choices essentially come down to work whatever jobs are available, or lose their house. A homeless guy can't choose where he'd like to eat for dinner, he has to eat whatever he finds. He can't just choose to move to Hawaii, no matter how much he may hate sleeping in the snow. He won't ever get to decide what college he's going to, because his choices are limited to working at a fast food joint, or living on the street. Often it gets to a point where choices are so limited that there is no choice but to be a criminal. He can either "camp within city limits", or "possess crack cocaine with intent to sell". Then he winds up in prison and his choices are even fewer! He can follow the guy he's shackled to obediently or get beaten by the guard.

The rich, on the other hand, spend their lives flying in their jets to exotic lands. They can choose whatever brands of clothes they'd like to wear, they can purchase however many cars they want. They can choose golf or tennis. They can choose to stay in their beach house or their mountain house. They can afford to choose how many kids they have, and thanks to genetics engineering whether to have a boy or a girl (first trimester sex determination). The rich can afford to CHANGE laws, not just obey them. If they don't like the speed limit on their way to work, they can just bribe the right policymaker (or they ARE the policymaker), and things CHANGE for them.

Many people in power strive to reduce the number of choices everybody else has, to increase their security, reducing the chance that they will have to become "one of them" without choices. By eliminating the choice of voting for somebody with a different policy, a politician successfully extents their position of privilege (and choices). The powerful can choose lawyers to sue their enemies or bend the law. A CEO can choose to shut down their business, lay off all employees, and cash out to afford a new yacht. Big businesses can afford to advertize their carefully crafted messages on the TV stations with the most viewers, the magazines with the most readers, and the most popular websites. Big politics can afford to influence the opinions of as many people are necessary to keep them in their position of power. The powerful can pay scientists to create research which supports their viewpoint, and justifies their careers.

Unfortunately, every time a law is created, the citizens lose an activity which they can choose to do. Every time a law is enforced, a citizen loses their freedom to make ANY real choices. Every time a government takes a step to restrict the actions of its citizens, the number of choices available to them gets smaller. Most citizens don't complain, because they weren't going to use that choice anyways. But every year, another batch of legislators feels obligated to create new laws to justify their existence. Laws are almost never taken away, or repealed, or not enforced. No politician wants to appear "soft on crime", so sentences are ever-lengthening. Laws are always written vague, to be easily enforceable, all gray areas are turned black soon enough. Children are fingerprinted, brainwashed, vaccinated and taught to OBEY.

Why stop at creating laws to prevent people from adversely affecting other people? Why not stop people from adversely affecting themselves? Every "crime" which involves only consenting adults provides our governments another opportunity to take away people's choices and freedoms. A convicted felon can not choose who our next politicians will be, or which proposals will become law, or how our government will spend its money. Men in prison can't protest a war, they can't even object to their dinner. Prison has become "the prison industrial complex", as governments around the world have figured out that people in cages are the cheapest form of labor. The next logical step is that prisoners are the cheapest and most expendable soldiers. The numbers and privileges of "Citizens" are ever shrinking, because they are far more difficult for the "leaders" to control than PRISONERS. This will NOT stop until there are NO CITIZENS LEFT.

One day there will be no more choices.
 
Crazeee said:
Christian Soldier, Did you even READ the article ???

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Can you think for yourself?

[the addiction vaccine] is not necessary, as effective alternatives for reducing or avoiding the harms that sometimes from drug addiction are already available – moderation, harm reduction, and abstinence

I disagree, I think it could be a good and a likley alternative for some, where moderation and abstinence just doesnt work. That is, if they develop these 'vaccines' to their proper potential, which is not happening any time soon.
 
this is a great tool for dealing with problems in society in the laziest fashion possible! just control people's minds, motives, and perspectives on the world and then they wont cause any problems! brilliant!

too bad its been happening since the dawn of the most primitive of governing bodies. Except in modern times, we have replaced the death penalty and witch-hunt mentality with chemicals that turn you into a zombie that repeats "HEIL [insert nationalist dictator of choice here]!" constantly throughout the day.

Addicts need to stop using drugs of their own free will. Giving them drugs that fry their brains into not being able to use drugs doesn't solve the problem, it covers it up.
 
Christian Soldier said:
I disagree, I think it could be a good and a likley alternative for some, where moderation and abstinence just doesnt work. That is, if they develop these 'vaccines' to their proper potential, which is not happening any time soon.

The problem is, whose alternative is it? If children are given these shots at birth, or if drug "offenders" are given them with a lighter sentence, that it isn't really an alternative for people at all. Its mind control, and its an abomination.

If, on the other hand, this was the sort of thing one could buy when you wanted to quit using drugs, thats a fine idea.
 
"...to alter a human being's brain and body to make the experience impossible, forever, is an extremist approach."

Talk about the understatement of the century. I garuntee you, 100% without a doubt, that if any of the men whose faces you see on our money were alive today, they would strap bombs on their chests and themselves blow up whatever company was developing this. If this became a reality in America, it would be the biggest threat to everything America stands for EVER. If this starts up in America, look for my name among the protesters, even if I'm the only god damned one.

Besides, I thought a big part of the anti-drug mentality was: "I don't need to change my brain chemistry to have fun!"......................
 
Why are bupronorphine, methadone and naltrexone part of harm reduction, but a vaccine isn't?

And how this hell is this mind control? You can use all the drugs you want, they just wont work as well. Next are you going to tell me that, childhood vaccinations against diseases, are mind control? Fluridation in the water too?

Also I don't see how the drug vaccine has "The possibility of mutation to a more harmful pathogen." It's not a pathogen to start with. and I can't figure out how it can mutate either.
 
In every fascist regime, revolution uprises. It's surprising to me that it's taking so long to occur.
 
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