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The UK in the EU: "Brexit"

StoneHappyMonday said:
Bloody police and their 'facts' eh?
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Didn't say there weren't incidents. There were incidents before, as always. Just saying the "explosion" of racism claim is a hysterical notion.

StoneHappyMonday said:
I know. All a big lie this massive drop in the pound and the EU telling us to get fucked looking for 'the best deal possible'. Economics eh?
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It hasn't even been a week yet. The immediate short term was always going to cause an upset. The markets and economics go all over the bloody place, on most events. This was a big event. Come back in 12 months and we'll see where we're at, then we can forecast a bit better.

But again the markets, ours, the EU, globally.. we're living on borrowed time anyway. Several big bubbles are waiting to pop, and they have to eventually. We never actually dealt with 2008, just papered (digitally) over it. National debts are all over the shop. In short, I don't give a flying fuck about the markets because it doesn't matter which way we vote the whole thing is going to crumble sooner or later.
 
-=SS=- said:
Didn't say there weren't incidents. There were incidents before, as always. Just saying the "explosion" of racism claim is a hysterical notion.

But again the markets, ours, the EU, globally.. we're living on borrowed time anyway. Several big bubbles are waiting to pop, and they have to eventually. We never actually dealt with 2008, just papered (digitally) over it. National debts are all over the shop. In short, I don't give a flying fuck about the markets because it doesn't matter which way we vote the whole thing is going to crumble sooner or later.
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First para...hysterical notion? OK? 57% reported more hysterical. Careful you don't get a warning for 'taunting' me with the word hysterical though.

Second para...I knew we'd make a bloody Marxist out of you eventually! But I still think it's a little disingenuous to pretend to blame immediate economic woes on the inevitable crisis of capitalism. This one, albeit in one country alone, has surely been brought about by....Brexit.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Second para...I knew we'd make a bloody Marxist out of you eventually! But I still think it's a little disingenuous to pretend to blame immediate economic woes on the inevitable crisis of capitalism. This one, albeit in one country alone, has surely been brought about by....Brexit.
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Of course the 'turmoil' since last Thursday has been caused by the vote, but why be so eager to jump to conclusions about its direction given it hasn't even been 1 week. The hypocrisy is interesting in how everyone always bashes the doomer sayer conspiracy theorists for some prediction of theirs, and yet now everyone is a fucking economic analyst, expert and chancellor wrapped up in one. The fuck is that? The impression I get is now people want bad shit to happen economically just to prove their position in some attempt at spite. Again, the fuck?

People need a little reality check. The EU isn't some safe economic haven. It's going to crash and burn. Greece was the beginning, Spain and Italy will follow soon. It's destined to fail, so why cling to a sinking ship.. we may drown if we swim for shore on our own, but we'll certainly drown if we stay on the ship anyway.

Would you really want to be legally bound, as we would be if we remained (Camerons non-political union was BS), if the EU went under? In time of crisis you want to be steering your own ship, not being dictated to by a foreign entity. That's a recipe for disaster.
 
Dracarys said:
@SS. Up to now you have repeatedly stated that the EU is evil, that it's a cancer, that it negates human nature, and that it's true intentions have never been peace. Those are all mere opinions though. I would like to see some hard evidence. Some real facts. How do you know all these things. I've heard you say that everyone who doesn't agree with you must be brainwashed by 'the media', though you didn't mention the media owned by Murdoch or likeminded others. And you know what's typical of people who're brainwashed? that they tend to believe that everyone who doesn't agree with them must be brainwashed. There are people who believe that we are all clones from a race of extra-terrestial aliens from the planet niburu, and they believe that everybody is brainwashed not to believe this. I've heard hare Krishna's say that all of society is brainwashed not to believe in Krishna counsciousness and people who watch fox-news sometimes say that everybody is brainwashed to believe that hillary clinton is not a serial killer....so if we're all brainwashed here, there must be some obvious facts that we could verify, that we are all in denial of. Not just speculation, but real facts.
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You still haven't answered how you know all these things SS.
 
-=SS=- said:
You want me to convince you. Sorry, no time for that. Go and do some reading yourself. It's all there: www.google.com
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Well, just proof ONE of these things then. To prove ONE of these claims..say, that peace never had anything to do with the true motivations of the founders of the EU. I mean you throw around all these claims...just proving ONE of them must not be so hard for someone who knows it all so well?
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36659900

European Union leaders have warned that the UK must honour the principle of free movement of people if it wants to retain access to the single market after it leaves the bloc.

European Council President Donald Tusk said the UK could not pick and choose.
The French and German leaders also made clear that the freedom of movement of EU citizens was non-negotiable.
Immigration to the UK, particularly from poorer EU countries, was a key issue in the referendum campaign.
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This is going to be a long process.
 
Leading Brexit campaigner Boris Johnson says he won't run for prime minister

London (CNN)Boris Johnson, one of the leading voices in the Brexit campaign and the man considered to be the favorite to replace outgoing Prime Minister David Cameron, delivered a bombshell Thursday when he announced he didn't want the job.

Living up to his reputation as a political maverick, the former London mayor outlined the demands of the role over the course of a lengthy speech in London and then said: "Having consulted colleagues and in view of the circumstances in Parliament, I have concluded that that person cannot be me."

The charismatic Conservative MP played a decisive role in the campaign to lead Britain out of the European Union -- an endeavor many saw as partly an effort to position himself as the future leader of the ruling Conservative Party, and of the country.

The announcement drew a stunned response across the UK and beyond. On social media, it was met with disbelief and anger.

Since the unexpected Leave vote sent the pound tumbling, hurt global markets and inspired renewed talk of Scottish independence, many have seen Britain as a casualty of Johnson's now-thwarted leadership ambitions.
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next up? general election?

alasdair
 


Nigel's speech at the EU referendum debate. Well said, he could have been 10 times worse to those childish elites.

Oceania and Asia / Russia are open for business
 
zzz101 said:
Oceania and Asia / Russia are open for business
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It would help if England had anything they wanted. Let's face it, the english have been rubbish at most things for a really long time.

Having said that, I still like that they told the EU to get fucked.
 
The Britons used to be good at banding together for the greater good.

But, now, they're even usless at that!

For the first time in history, I feel bad for anyone voting or sticking together for any reason England related.

Seriously.

I don't know how to help these lost souls....
 
Vagina Lover said:
The Britons used to be good at banding together for the greater good.

But, now, they're even usless at that!

For the first time in history, I feel bad for anyone voting or sticking together for any reason England related.
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Maybe your perspective is preventing your from seeing that actually this of benefit to all our EU brothers, for now that the door is open other countries can abandon this failed EU experiment. Europe will always remain, the EU is a transitory experiment that has failed to prove its worth. We're the first out of the door and we're holding it open for others. You may not see that as the greater good but I certainly do.
 
It may be of some sort of benefit, there is no denying that.

But it is more than likely going to have very serious repercussions felt throughout Europe, not just within the UK, from what I know about it

That's kind of like saying that anthropocentric changes in the climate are good because the weather will be warmer in some places.

Europe is Europe, I don't see it as an experiment of any kind

Burying one's head in the sand, albeit a whole country, and making such massive changes in policy and economic function, at this stage in world history, is unlikely to result in anything but mostly negative consequences for all involved.
 
Any big change always has repercussions. That's not the point really and can't be the reason why one did not vote 'leave'. If we remained things would not have stayed the same.. political union was always the main agenda and we would have seen that being fully implemented, which in itself would have caused major issues in this country and across Europe.

The EU is not Europe, don't conflate the two terms. The EU is a political entity, Europe is the geographical continent. The EU has a shelf life. Europe does not.
 
Dracarys said:
Well, just proof ONE of these things then. To prove ONE of these claims..say, that peace never had anything to do with the true motivations of the founders of the EU. I mean you throw around all these claims...just proving ONE of them must not be so hard for someone who knows it all so well?
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Just ONE thing SS. Or you have to take the risk of me thinking you cannot back up ANY of your claims. Not even ONE.
 
Dracarys said:
Just ONE thing SS. Or you have to take the risk of me thinking you cannot back up ANY of your claims. Not even ONE.
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Oh no, I dare not risk the criticism of Dracarys. Are you really that incompetent that you can't go to google and research how the EU was founded and how it was sold to the public as a trading block, and then how the political entity operates as it does today that circumvents the democratic process in its member states by superceding their own parliaments. It's not that difficult to wrap your head around.
 
treezy z said:
Be careful he might call you a racist sexist misogynistic xenophobe and expect you to give a fraction of a fuck
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Yeah, i know that you pride yourself in not giving even the tiniest fraction of a fuck about basically any kind of ethics, treezy.
 
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