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US Politics The trump impeachment thread

JessFR said:
Mmm, tough choice. On the one hand, I'd really love to see trump impeached. On the other, I don't believe internet petitions should be encouraged.
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What? Why? I have helped so many people by signing those petitions. They are amazing. I got a white cop fired for putting a black guy in a chokehold and killing him. The guy kept saying he couldn't breathe. That's just one example. Those petitions have done a lot of good.
 
What reason do you have to believe that the petition was the reason those things happened though? As opposed to protesters, people answering polls. Or writing and mailing their own angry letter themselves.

I'm in no way against action. But I gotta think that change.org petitions, specifically in how easy they are to set up and get piles of signatures, aren't gonna be taken seriously by anyone with authority to act.
 
JessFR said:
What reason do you have to believe that the petition was the reason those things happened though? As opposed to protesters, people answering polls. Or writing and mailing their own angry letter themselves.

I'm in no way against action. But I gotta think that change.org petitions, specifically in how easy they are to set up and get piles of signatures, aren't gonna be taken seriously by anyone with authority to act.
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It can't hurt to try. I want to see what happens when 500,000 signatures are reached.

Usually when I sign a petition, the very next day I am sent an update saying justice was served because they reached the amount of signatures required. The petitions have a lot of power. They seem determined to keep Trump from getting in trouble so we'll see what happens.
 
Mmm, it only can't hurt to try so long as it doesn't become an alternative to some better course of action. And that's essentially what concerns me about them.
 
so the republicans did a little grandstanding in washington on wednesday by 'storming' the democratic impeachment hearings...

hearings to which many of those protesting have access: 13 Republicans involved in impeachment protest already have access to hearings

they're mad that these hearings are being conducted behind closed door? well, i guess they should have thought about that before they created those rules: Fox News analyst: Republicans are protesting their own impeachment inquiry rules

indeed, during the benghazi investigation strongly defended the use of closed-door interviews:

benghazi final report said:
The committee’s preference for private interviews over public hearings has been questioned...
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Interviews are a more efficient and effective means of discovery. Interviews allow witnesses to be questioned in depth by a highly prepared member or staff person. In a hearing, every member of a committee is recognized — usually for five minutes — a procedure which precludes in-depth in-depth focused questioning. Interviews also allow the committee to safeguard the privacy of witnesses who may fear retaliation for cooperating or whose work requires anonymity, such as intelligence community operatives.
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i guess republicans only have a problem when it's somebody other than them doing it?

alasdair
 
How much would it cost ?


It would make sense to put more effort into trying to elect better people or at least someone with experience and all but that isn't as trending and entertaining.

Why bother impeaching, if he is that bad then vote him out next time.
 
Canadian politics is the same as American politics -- Liberal/Democrat systemic corruption quickly fades from the news cycle, but if a Republican/Conservative so much as sneezes in the wrong direction it's going to be regurgitated weekly for literally half a year and randomly woven into unrelated stories.

Liberal/Democrat corruption is sugar-coated in the veneer of consultations and consensus-building to create the illusion of a healthy democratic process and then an extra serving of sugar (handouts made to appear like social security programs) is dumped on top to manipulate the public into believing that the Republican/Conservatives are evil goons depriving the public while the Liberals/Democrats are fastidious public servants trying to earnestly help their constituents.

Does nobody actually find it extremely suspicious how quickly the Epstein scandal was swept under the rug after his death? Does nobody find it suspicious that the last Democratic Party presidential candidate belongs to a family that has had almost fifty "close associates" die in a suspicious manner like Epstein?

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Is Trump really the greater of two evils?
 
alasdairm said:
so the republicans did a little grandstanding in washington on wednesday by 'storming' the democratic impeachment hearings...

hearings to which many of those protesting have access: 13 Republicans involved in impeachment protest already have access to hearings

they're mad that these hearings are being conducted behind closed door? well, i guess they should have thought about that before they created those rules: Fox News analyst: Republicans are protesting their own impeachment inquiry rules

indeed, during the benghazi investigation strongly defended the use of closed-door interviews:



i guess republicans only have a problem when it's somebody other than them doing it?

alasdair
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Here’s a short article that addresses the old DC adage that if you’re arguing about process, you’re losing. Apparently, a corollary is that if you’re wrong about your process argument, it must really be a bad situation.

The article also points out that Republicans are taking part in questioning the witnesses, which you wouldn’t know from the way they’re acting.

I can only imagine Trump screaming at Republicans to back him more vociferously while simultaneously making it tremendously difficult to do so.

THERE IS an old Washington saying that if you’re arguing about process, you’re losing. A follow-on maxim might be: If you are wrong on process, too, you must really be in trouble.

That would apply to the 30 or so Republicans who stormed a Wednesday House Intelligence Committee hearing in a secure Capitol facility, objecting that Democrats have, so far, conducted impeachment proceedings behind closed doors.
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it's all a distraction.

taylor's testimony removed any doubt that trump abused his position for his own personal interests.

the rats are, if not leaving the sinking ship of trump's defense of his own actions, saying nothing which speaks volumes.

alasdair
 
thujone said:
Does nobody actually find it extremely suspicious how quickly the Epstein scandal was swept under the rug after his death? Does nobody find it suspicious that the last Democratic Party presidential candidate belongs to a family that has had almost fifty "close associates" die in a suspicious manner like Epstein?
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We have an Epstein thread and a Clinton thread if you want to discuss these issues more extensively. There are definitely people who agree with your sentiments.

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From the 1990s to mid-2000s, Epstein often socialized with the future President Donald Trump. Journalist Michael Wolff wrote that Trump, Epstein, and Tom Barrack were at the time like a “set of nightlife musketeers” on the social scene. Epstein and Trump socialized both in New York City and Palm...
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True, I'm not looking to derail this thread but it's just mindboggling how Trump is largely viewed by the public as some great evil while apparently completely oblivious to the fact that Democrats are obviously (Occam's Razor) murdering anyone inconvenient to them.

How many years has it been since Noam Chomsky started talking about manufactured consent? Why does the public seem to be even less critical now?

So to the question of should Trump be impeached ... well, no, not if impeaching Trump brings the country back to a Democrat leader who will be held to an entirely different standard by the Fourth Estate that is controlling the public discourse and owned largely by people who publicly support the Democratic party.
 
I don't find it suspicious how quickly epstein left the news. Why should I?

This is what the news does with literally everything! It's rare anything stays in the news longer than a couple weeks.

Major terrorist attacks or... Depressingly... major celebrity deaths are the only two exceptions that come to mind. Epstein was neither.

SHOULD it have left the news so quickly? Probably not. Is it suspicious? No.

EDIT: Actually I suppose there's another exception, the news will continue negative coverage of political enemies. Like Obama with fox, or trump with.. Everyone else.

Point is, it's not unusual for the news to just drop stories. And the norm is generally not suspicious to me.

So whole epsteins death is suspicious, the news coverage isn't.
 
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You think they were going to let Epstein reveal all the high profile pedophiles? No way, they had to take him out before the trial. I'm sure the pedophilia goes on way more than we can imagine. It seems to be what the darker forces prefer, kids. Sickening.

Of course the news is going to sweep it under the rug. They're paid off anyway. That's why you can't even trust the news.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
You think they were going to let Epstein reveal all the high profile pedophiles? No way, they had to take him out before the trial. I'm sure the pedophilia goes on way more than we can imagine. It seems to be what the darker forces prefer, kids. Sickening.

Of course the news is going to sweep it under the carpet. They're paid off anyway. That's why you can't even trust the news.
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You nailed it, they either had him killed or busted him out. I cant believe the fuckass had an entire island where he raped and murdered (possibly sacrificed) kids. Id love a day in a torture chamber with this degen.
 
cduggles said:
I find it disheartening to be criticized by people who don’t use sources. 😕

The nature of the testimony being given will eventually be substantiated or not when Trump is impeached. (And here I’m making a distinction here between impeachment and indictment).

@GENGAR Trump is not, imo, fit for office.



Yes, I always look at the name of the publication I’m reading. Where do you get your news? Educate me.
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Don't take criticism to heart, source or no source.




It's no big deal, really .
 
Pluggle said:
Don't take criticism to heart, source or no source.




It's no big deal, really .
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I think its hilarious that you actually think he will be impeached. He owns the goverment, why would he let himself be impeached? He put all his people in positions of power and converted many others. Youve already seen them unsuccessfully try to get dirt on him. It isnt happening and TBH hes doing a fucking fantastic job and will be reelected. I put money on it.
 
cduggles said:
I find it disheartening to be criticized by people who don’t use sources. 😕

The nature of the testimony being given will eventually be substantiated or not when Trump is impeached. (And here I’m making a distinction here between impeachment and indictment).

@GENGAR Trump is not, imo, fit for office.



Yes, I always look at the name of the publication I’m reading. Where do you get your news? Educate me.
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They tried to impeach Trump since the day he was inaugurated, the whiny cuck bitching hasnt stopped! They even had a day of fucking mourning for you sore losers! Its a damn joke at this point and is frankly just annoying. We had to put up with Fuckbama for 8 years and now you all will deal with the Almighty Trumpmaster for 8. Pulling up all your meaningless news sources that are nothing more than pulp fiction and puppetmastery for the weak-minded is futile. No one can give any sound evidence for hating Trump that wasnt force fed to you by the media. Put your fucking bibs on and saddle up Beta Liberal puppets, Trump isnt going anywhere. Cant believe I had to watch a private viewing of a music video in Hollywood that was inspired by how upset you kids are when Trump won the election. Crying isnt the answer.
 
thujone said:
True, I'm not looking to derail this thread but it's just mindboggling how Trump is largely viewed by the public as some great evil while apparently completely oblivious to the fact that Democrats are obviously (Occam's Razor) murdering anyone inconvenient to them.

How many years has it been since Noam Chomsky started talking about manufactured consent? Why does the public seem to be even less critical now?

So to the question of should Trump be impeached ... well, no, not if impeaching Trump brings the country back to a Democrat leader who will be held to an entirely different standard by the Fourth Estate that is controlling the public discourse and owned largely by people who publicly support the Democratic party.
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This guy gets it.
 
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