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I find it pretty crazy how Phil had the power to reduce both Tony B and Tony S to looking out of the window of a bare house with nothing but a mattress on the floor, fearing for their lives.

Although it's nice how they worked that beautiful AR-10 Bobby gave to Tony for his birthday into all of it.
 
Great episode overall.

As always, I found the Tony/Melfi thread to be the the most intriguing.

Tony's clever insightful parting words to her:

"Well, you know what - I think that what you're doing now is medically immoral!" was a great line that actually made me ponder this morality theme afterwards, in addition to simply entertaintaiing me (which it did).

Also, great display of how much Tony REALLY cared about his REAL family's welfare when their lives were TRULY on the line.

Loyalty.

Three dimensional characcters - how may people do you know who would never ever concieve of being the head of an organization that murders people in order to make money and yet thery're less loyal to those closest to them when times are at their toughest.

And great opening - revealing that all of these years, we were being trained to empathize and genuinely invest our emotions with a family that was considered all along to be a mere ant to be stepped on in the eyes of the New York Families.

Greed, greed, greed - we all know it's toxic, yet so may of us are driven by it.

Chase and company, as expected, have built several brilliant story arcs, and any of a number of closings could be a fttting ending for this all-time masterpiece.

My prediction:

Tony Suparano "sings" - that's what Sopranos do, right.
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Best Show Of All Time (So Far) status is already cemented - it's gonna take a herculean effort to top this one.
 
L O V E L I F E said:
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Best Show Of All Time (So Far) status is already cemented - it's gonna take a herculean effort to top this one.
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I'm not willing to say it's the best show of all time. It's in my top 5 certainly, but I think when all is said and done shows like "Lost" and "The Wire" may top it, if only for the fact that The Sopranos was wildly uneven the last few years. That's not to say the last 8 episodes haven't been anything short than brilliant. I hope and pray that David Chase will give this show the ending it so richly deserves, no matter what it might be.
 
Good episode overall, though it felt a little rushed at times.

They really showed how weak the New Jersey crew is. New York had their shit together, but Tony's crew got caught slippin. They sure could have used Christopher if he was still around.


Bobby getting whacked when he was at that toy train store - yeah I realize he was there for a rare edition train, but he knew things were heating up between the families. He shouldn't have been caught there.

And it was sad to see Silvio go. Pretty sure he's a goner since they said he's in a coma and not likely to regain consciousness. I can't see how they'd deal with that in just 1 episode. Definitely one of my top 2 or 3 favorite characters.

But how could he leave his piece in the backseat of his car? He's one of the smarter guys in the crew, but then makes a boneheaded move that and gets taken out?


About the last episode, I hope AJ makes up for acting like a little biatch and steps up to the plate and does something. I wish they made it a 2 hour episode ...
 
yah it would be dope if the finale was a 2 hour episode, its like they could've done all that shit to add up to the finale in the first two episodes. one more to go n' finally shits poppin off :(

also bobby at the toy store when he know shits going down ? come on gangster, weak.
 
trifecta said:
They sure could have used Christopher if he was still around.
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I wish he was still around... :( He was my favorite character by far.
 
dapurpman said:
also bobby at the toy store when he know shits going down ? come on gangster, weak.
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I don't think he knew that he was a target. Right before that scene Tony told Sil to make calls and make sure everyone watches their backs. Then, as Bobby gets out the car to go to the hobby shop his phone can be seen left behind and ringing with his sports jacket in his car.
 
DarthMom said:
pauly is going to betray him. didn't he want to switch sides a while back?
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I think you might be right on the money with that one. The only way you get out of the lifestyle is death, as has been repeatedly hinted at over the last season.
 
and sil and bobby were hit simultaneously, nothing on pauly...and wasn't pauly the one responsible for the hit on phil that failed?
 
Their reason not to hit Paulie was because he isn't "management." Technically Bobby was in charge of the Phil hit that got fucked up. But, It got delegated down to Paulie, and finally to Parisi.

For anyone else that's interested in the Show, I find the discussion here to be pretty good.
 
What's finally coming to a boil is basically this: It's an intrinsic study of evil, and maybe with the exception of Meadow none of these characters will every find redemption or peace, because they have all made compromises in either giving into the eviliest impulses of man(Tony), or appeasing the evil they clearly see in front of them because it allowed them to have a comfortable life(Carmela). Even if Tony survives to the end, what is left for him? He truly has no one. There are many ways in which the show can end, but at the end of the day there can be no happy ending for any of them, which makes it more tragic then any other show ever done. The fact that we are willing to take this journey that will eventually lead them to damnation is a testament to the sheer genius of David Chase, and Gandolfini's performance of the lead character, maybe the richest study of one man's road to evil ever seen in the medium.
 
I've heard that Paulie used to be a gangster in his real life in his early days, and he had it worked into his contract that he would never become a snitch or betray his crew on the show. I could be wrong, but I remember hearing that from somewhere.


And what was up with that cardboard poster of Silvio in the safe house? Did anybody else catch that?
 
GreatSpaceCoaster said:

What's finally coming to a boil is basically this:

It's an intrinsic study of evil, and maybe with the exception of Meadow none of these characters will every find redemption or peace, because they have all made compromises in either giving into the eviliest impulses of man(Tony), or appeasing the evil they clearly see in front of them because it allowed them to have a comfortable life(Carmela).

Even if Tony survives to the end, what is left for him?

He truly has no one.

There are many ways in which the show can end, but at the end of the day there can be no happy ending for any of them, which makes it more tragic then any other show ever done.

The fact that we are willing to take this journey that will eventually lead them to damnation is a testament to the sheer genius of David Chase, and Gandolfini's performance of the lead character, maybe the richest study of one man's road to evil ever seen in the medium.
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Quoted for bein' right on the muthafuckin' money.

The plot is great, but that's beside the point.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Gandolfini is entering Brando/DeNiro territory (in terms of quality of acting in I and II, respectively), and I would argue that Chase's character development elevates the Sopranos even above those two greatest mafia movies of all time.

Thank you Mr. Chase, thank you Mr. Gandolfini, thank you Ms. Falco, and thank you HBO.

One of my favorite things in life is when we get to appreciate the fact that we know that something special and beautiful and precious and rare is happening WHILE it's happening.

To me, this is one of those times.



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What's finally coming to a boil is basically this: It's an intrinsic study of evil, and maybe with the exception of Meadow none of these characters will every find redemption or peace, because they have all made compromises in either giving into the eviliest impulses of man(Tony)...
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Good point. A recurring theme of the show is that they destroy everything good in their lives.

This last one was a great episode. I could feel the tension and fear and sense of danger like I was there with them. It feels real. Definitely the best show on TV, maybe the best show ever.
 
I cant wait until the final episode. Its going to be the shit.

I just wish the final episode was going to be 2 hours long.
 
L O V E L I F E said:
The "last Godfather movie" never happened.

Please do not mention that never-happened-"movie" again.

Thank you,

LL
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Oh, come now.

No, it's not in the same league as the first two. But, it's still a good movie. Corleone finally consumed by power...Castenada's 'third enemy of a Man of Knowlege.'

Vis a vis life imitating art; those movies probably serve as "guides" to real wise guys how they ought to act.

My favorite gangster movie is far and away DeNiro's "A Bronx Tale."
 
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