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The sickening materialism and shallow-mindedness of those pitiful others

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It would seem there is a tremendous cognitive bias regarding "others" aka "your average Joe Blow / the man on the street" and the assumption of their mindfulness and depth - specifically, that they lack any of it.

When polling for what people think the most commonly-prayed-for event is, the most frequent claim seems to be that obviously the number one thing is "more money", or "wealth" or any other synonym, and that the people who do this are pitiful, narrow-minded materialists who would be alright if they could just open up a little more, you know?

Personally, I find myself leaning towards the idea of a perceptual skew.

The less familiar we are with a person, the more superficial a conversation with them is likely to be. Thus, our experiences with strangers are almost entirely surface interactions - exchanges of mere utility and little else. After all, how often do you mention a life-altering experience to the teenager behind the checkout counter? We keep our shields raised around strangers, and since they do the same, all we ever experience of each other is the superficial protocol of strictly necessary information exchange.

...and this shallowness which is seen becomes all that we know of "others", and all that we know becomes Truth.

What's your take? Do you think this is indicative of a deep-seated cynicism regarding humanity, leading us all to the conclusion that we as a species have little hope for our own future? Is it just our simple need to feel superior to one another, rising to the forefront in yet another form? Or do you have another explanation for why the default assumption regarding an anonymous other lacks the qualities we all secretly treasure?
 
subliminal control of the masses by the evil-driven elitists who control the world perhaps??
far-fetched idea i know considering that theres no concrete evidence, but isnt that what makes the perfect crime??
 
What's your take? Do you think this is indicative of a deep-seated cynicism regarding humanity, leading us all to the conclusion that we as a species have little hope for our own future? Is it just our simple need to feel superior to one another, rising to the forefront in yet another form? Or do you have another explanation for why the default assumption regarding an anonymous other lacks the qualities we all secretly treasure?

A. I just do not trust the average Joe with my personal things(?)
and B. Do not give a shit what the average Joe thinks of my personal things nor do I give a shit about theirs.

I do not typically create friendships from casual encounters if you can tell...
 
I think that we have a tendency to view those with whom we are not familiar as shallow because it's an easy way for our primitive monkey brain to process the world. It would be exhausting to actually mentally render every person you meet as being as much of a person as yourself, with hopes and fears and dreams. Easier to just assume that everyone else is a 2-d caricature.
 
What's your take? Do you think this is indicative of a deep-seated cynicism regarding humanity, leading us all to the conclusion that we as a species have little hope for our own future? Is it just our simple need to feel superior to one another, rising to the forefront in yet another form? Or do you have another explanation for why the default assumption regarding an anonymous other lacks the qualities we all secretly treasure?

Well, you asked.. so i'll give you my view, even though its probably going to be quite different from the other answers.

It may have a lot to do with the idea that these people may be exhibiting behavioral patterns of thought,emotion or action that we ourselves feel we have surpassed and is no longer a part of our being.. as soon as you move past or evolve from a developmental stage, you will reject it entirely in others.. because they are a reflection of what you feel you use to be, but currently are not, even though this is simply illusion.. (in a similar sense to how each generation reject's its descendant)

The irony in this is, hardcore activist's who promote oneness, equal rights, nature and freedom will reject fundamentalists, capitalism, science etc.. because they feel they have moved past those stages of human consciousness, so here you have people who embrace "one consciousness" but separate themselves from society by viewing those who reflect those previous stages within themselves as 'inferior,un-evolved,ignorant or whatnot'.

Im re-citing alot of what Ken Wilber has done with extensive work into stages and states of consciousness in relation to spiral dynamics. You might find this interesting: http://pialogue.info/definitions/spiral_dynamics_aqal_BIG.jpg

For a couple of years i had what i would call a 'spiritual elitism' attitude towards everything and everyone, i became so disgusted by society, capitalism and materialism that i rejected them all and fought very hard to identify myself as someone who was 'seperate' from all of this.. the joke however was on me =D When your able to grasp a real sense of oneness of all, you begin to see yourself in everyone and everything.. becoming very integral and it gets harder to look down or reject the actions of others because you see all of it as you.

I probably went a little off-topic there, but thats my take ;)
 
As long as I have enough to live within comfortable means, I am pretty good with that.

I wish money had more value to me, but I tend to forget the old "value of a dollar" thing.

I went into a gas station at 3am one day a month or two ago and saw this candy on the shelf called "laser pops". But basically it was a sucker that shined light pictures through one side... I thought it was the most awesome candy I had seen in a long time. The thought crossed my mind of "I could have one..... Or I could have them all!" so I grab all the boxes that held them and went to go pay. The woman at the register was like "Are you serious? you want all of them? there must be over 40" and I ended up paying almost $70 from a local store at 3am on candy.

I have been throwing the idea in my head of getting a bunch of them, going to a Childrens Healthcare and brightening up some lives in a cancer ward. Show up with a bunch of lazer pops. I actually want to see about volunteering more for positive causes.

Personally, I am pretty spartan about possessions. I get way more value from human interaction than what I consider money to be worth. Things are just things.... Too much focus in this world about the money and not about doing what will make you happy in this life.
 
go read the pet peeves threads in second opinion. if you fully believe much of what's written there on the subject of driving, you'd believe that some posters in those threads are simply the greatest drivers ever to sit behind the wheel of a car and everybody else - every 'other' - on the road is a moronic, suicidal madman whose only agenda is to piss off these saintly, put-upon drivers.

there are other conclusions...

we are all somebody else's 'other'.

alasdair
 
Most of my ideas regarding the general stupidity of humanity have been influenced by how stupid everything is on the television. Advertising especially seems to regularly lower my perception of human worth and intelligence. I almost never feel so misanthropic when dealing with people in person, its only when I see the idiocy of the entire culture paraded around for entertainment value that I begin to feel sour about the "average joe".

(Hence why I rarely watch TV :))
 
It is hard to not fall into this kind of solipsism, especially when you live in a densely populated modern society. You see so many faces every day that you sometimes forget that behind every one is a real person with an inner life.
 
Well, you asked.. so i'll give you my view, even though its probably going to be quite different from the other answers.

It may have a lot to do with the idea that these people may be exhibiting behavioral patterns of thought,emotion or action that we ourselves feel we have surpassed and is no longer a part of our being.. as soon as you move past or evolve from a developmental stage, you will reject it entirely in others.. because they are a reflection of what you feel you use to be, but currently are not, even though this is simply illusion.. (in a similar sense to how each generation reject's its descendant)

The irony in this is, hardcore activist's who promote oneness, equal rights, nature and freedom will reject fundamentalists, capitalism, science etc.. because they feel they have moved past those stages of human consciousness, so here you have people who embrace "one consciousness" but separate themselves from society by viewing those who reflect those previous stages within themselves as 'inferior,un-evolved,ignorant or whatnot'.

Im re-citing alot of what Ken Wilber has done with extensive work into stages and states of consciousness in relation to spiral dynamics. You might find this interesting: http://pialogue.info/definitions/spiral_dynamics_aqal_BIG.jpg

For a couple of years i had what i would call a 'spiritual elitism' attitude towards everything and everyone, i became so disgusted by society, capitalism and materialism that i rejected them all and fought very hard to identify myself as someone who was 'seperate' from all of this.. the joke however was on me =D When your able to grasp a real sense of oneness of all, you begin to see yourself in everyone and everything.. becoming very integral and it gets harder to look down or reject the actions of others because you see all of it as you.

I probably went a little off-topic there, but thats my take ;)
Wow, good answer :)

go read the pet peeves threads in second opinion. if you fully believe much of what's written there on the subject of driving, you'd believe that some posters in those threads are simply the greatest drivers ever to sit behind the wheel of a car and everybody else - every 'other' - on the road is a moronic, suicidal madman whose only agenda is to piss off these saintly, put-upon drivers.
Yeah, but have you seen those other drivers?

*pop*

That was the sound of my head exploding and/or pennies dropping.

there are other conclusions...

we are all somebody else's 'other'.

alasdair
Exactly. This is how we can know that it is a cognitive bias and not an actual trend.
 
It is hard to not fall into this kind of solipsism, especially when you live in a densely populated modern society. You see so many faces every day that you sometimes forget that behind every one is a real person with an inner life.

i can definitely agree.
could this be why people in general seemed so much more friendly n community centered in the past mostly due to lower population??
 
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