The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread
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tathra
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and thats why we dont let family members or friends be on juries. everyone knows a woman that's been sexually assaulted, because every woman has been sexually assaulted at some point in her life. its perfectly natural to want to hurt the ones that hurt people close to us, but vigilantism has no place in civil society; we, as a society, delegated our authority to punish those who violate our mutually-agreed upon laws (well, ideally anyway, and the world is far from ideal) partly just to help ensure that the ones being punished actually committed the crimes of which they are accused. presumption of innocence is the cornerstone of any justice system, and vigilanties tend to exclusively act on impulse and emotion and is solely an act of retribution.
Harvey told me he loved me. He told me I could have a cameo as Jack Sparrow's retarded son in Pirates of the Caribbean 7: The Fate of the Furious. He promised me he would start working out. All men are pigs.
tathra
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tsk tsk, that and "just the tip" are the lies men always use. i thought everybody knew that by now.
JahSEEuS
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What should the punishment for rape be? For holding someone against their will or drugging them? Is it rape if it's at first consensual but then she says to stop midway through?
zephyr
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There probably isnt a proper correct justifiable sentence in any of the cases that the universe would agree with mate.
tathra
bluelighter
those i cant answer. thats something the society as a whole should decide. some people will say execution for everything, some will say exile, some will say "x years imprisonment". there is no 'right' answer, as it depends on the circumstances in the crime itself, the individual's personality and tendancies, and the punishment systems themselves (are the prisons primarily for reform or retribution, that kind of thing). ofc i'm arguing from an idealized version of how things should be.
thats an easy one - of course its rape. if she says stop then you stop, plain and simple, if you dont then its rape. the only, the ONLY one, single, lone time that "no" and "stop" dont mean "no" and "stop" is if you and your partner have agreed upon the use of a safe word in bdsm roleplay before starting. then and only then, nothing means "stop" except for the safe word, because thats what you and your partner have consensually agreed upon.
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what if in that BDSM situation - she was intoxicated and therefore legally couldn't consent or agree to any safe word. What then? Is it ok to see how far men can push boundaries?
What if she felt scared or intimidated as was apparently the case in many of the Weinstein allegations?
Who are we to believe? The man who says that they had a safe word and she didn't say it (how does one say something if they choked, bound, or gagged?) or the woman who says otherwise?
What if she felt scared or intimidated as was apparently the case in many of the Weinstein allegations?
Who are we to believe? The man who says that they had a safe word and she didn't say it (how does one say something if they choked, bound, or gagged?) or the woman who says otherwise?
tathra
bluelighter
nobody that legitimately does bdsm roleplay would do it with some rando, much less some rando where the consent is questionable. thats the kind of thing you only do with a repeat partner, where you can be certain they understand and consent.
this kind of thing is why there's a movement for laws establishing that consent only exists if firmly confirmed as consent ("yes means yes"), rather than the assumption most rampant today that consent is considered given unless she says "no".
swilow
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Most people who are serious about BDSM wouldn't be doing it drunk anyhow.
A safe word does not need to be verbal but it is also incumbent upon the dominant to check in regularly with the sub and ensure they are comfortable.
cduggles
Bluelight Crew
I was hoping someone else would post about this case. I think it's important although stomach turning.
Over 150 girls and women came forward to speak at one of the trials of Larry Nassar, the former physician to females including the USA gymnastics team, who has been sentenced in four different cases involving sexual assault and child pornography.
He's going to die in prison; I put charges and sentencing at the bottom for each of his cases.
Interesting moments of the televised trial. It was trial #3:
1) Nassar wrote a letter saying he didn't want to have to hear the testimony of the witnesses for the prosecution who he molested. He "was very concerned about [his] ability to be able to face witnesses the next four days, mentally".
The judge denied his request.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ned-about-ability-to-face-witnesses-testimony
2) Judge Rosemarie Aquilina (a naturalized citizen gasp!!!!) was interesting in her commentary... for a judge. This links to an article about her impressive accomplishments and YouTube links from key trial moments are embedded.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/rosemarie-aquilina-larry-nassar-judge-bio/
3) Father of three girls Nassar molested requested time alone with him and then attempts to have a go at him. He is restrained and held in custody for a few hours. No charges are pressed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/0...ctims-father-in-dramatic-courtroom-scene.html
4) The testimony (I've read over some transcripts) was harrowing. A mother testified because her daughter committed suicide. A young woman molested by Nassar testified that she believes her father's was at least partially affected by Nassar's abuse.
I think it's in one of the first three links. Ask for a link or utfse. I'm just done right now with this story.
1) Nassar pleaded guilty to seven counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct in Ingham County Circuit Court as part of a plea agreement with the Michigan Attorney General's Office.
As part of the deal, prosecutors agreed to drop eight other charges in Ingham County, not to add charges for other sexual assault incidents known as of Nov. 22 and not to charge on child pornography evidence that doesn't relate to the existing federal child pornography charges.
The deal included a sentence agreement that sets Nassar's minimum sentence between 25 and 40 years in prison. The charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison.
2) Nassar was sentenced to 60 years in federal prison on child pornography charges to which he's admitted.
3) Judge Janice Cunningham sentences Nassar to 40 to 125 years in prison in Eaton County, bringing an end to his criminal cases.
https://www.citizen-times.com/pages/interactives/larry-nassar-timeline/
Questions:
1. Did this case get widespread coverage in the US or elsewhere, worldwide BLer community?
2. Is there anything else to say except "how disgusting"? (Yes, I do think so, but I'm probably not going to discuss it.)
Over 150 girls and women came forward to speak at one of the trials of Larry Nassar, the former physician to females including the USA gymnastics team, who has been sentenced in four different cases involving sexual assault and child pornography.
He's going to die in prison; I put charges and sentencing at the bottom for each of his cases.
Interesting moments of the televised trial. It was trial #3:
1) Nassar wrote a letter saying he didn't want to have to hear the testimony of the witnesses for the prosecution who he molested. He "was very concerned about [his] ability to be able to face witnesses the next four days, mentally".
The judge denied his request.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ned-about-ability-to-face-witnesses-testimony
2) Judge Rosemarie Aquilina (a naturalized citizen gasp!!!!) was interesting in her commentary... for a judge. This links to an article about her impressive accomplishments and YouTube links from key trial moments are embedded.
https://heavy.com/news/2018/01/rosemarie-aquilina-larry-nassar-judge-bio/
3) Father of three girls Nassar molested requested time alone with him and then attempts to have a go at him. He is restrained and held in custody for a few hours. No charges are pressed.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/0...ctims-father-in-dramatic-courtroom-scene.html
4) The testimony (I've read over some transcripts) was harrowing. A mother testified because her daughter committed suicide. A young woman molested by Nassar testified that she believes her father's was at least partially affected by Nassar's abuse.
I think it's in one of the first three links. Ask for a link or utfse. I'm just done right now with this story.
1) Nassar pleaded guilty to seven counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct in Ingham County Circuit Court as part of a plea agreement with the Michigan Attorney General's Office.
As part of the deal, prosecutors agreed to drop eight other charges in Ingham County, not to add charges for other sexual assault incidents known as of Nov. 22 and not to charge on child pornography evidence that doesn't relate to the existing federal child pornography charges.
The deal included a sentence agreement that sets Nassar's minimum sentence between 25 and 40 years in prison. The charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison.
2) Nassar was sentenced to 60 years in federal prison on child pornography charges to which he's admitted.
3) Judge Janice Cunningham sentences Nassar to 40 to 125 years in prison in Eaton County, bringing an end to his criminal cases.
https://www.citizen-times.com/pages/interactives/larry-nassar-timeline/
Questions:
1. Did this case get widespread coverage in the US or elsewhere, worldwide BLer community?
2. Is there anything else to say except "how disgusting"? (Yes, I do think so, but I'm probably not going to discuss it.)
swilow
Bluelight Crew
^It was covered by Aussie media to some extent.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
The case got widespread coverage in the US, for sure. It's pretty incredible. I like how the father who went for him didn't get charged, and the cop who tackled him and held him down apologized and said he understood.
Nassar is a disgusting human being. Not only for doing what he did, abusing his authority so grievously, but for then being such an unbelievably weak coward as to write a letter basically trying to explain his actions away and request not to hear testimonies because he "couldn't handle it".
I hope he gets molested repeatedly in prison. I don't think a lot of people in prison appreciate people who are serial little girl molesters so it seems likely.
Nassar is a disgusting human being. Not only for doing what he did, abusing his authority so grievously, but for then being such an unbelievably weak coward as to write a letter basically trying to explain his actions away and request not to hear testimonies because he "couldn't handle it".
I hope he gets molested repeatedly in prison. I don't think a lot of people in prison appreciate people who are serial little girl molesters so it seems likely.
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Tubbs
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Definitely not, those are the ones who get the hell beaten out of them and the like.
Captain.Heroin
Bluelight Crew
I don't personally. I just think that the death penalty should have been utilized for his case.
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
I'm not usually vindictive, but in this case I think the death penalty lets him off too easy. Life in prison with no possibility of parole is a much more fitting punishment.
tathra
bluelighter
even convicts agree child molesters are the worst of scum; they typically end up in protective custody or in a block with nothing but other chomos.
i can't agree wth wishing retribution on anyone though, even the worst of the worst. that's a slippery slope we shouldn't be on; prisons should be reformatories, not retributories, and those that can't be reformed should stay segregated from society but still treated humanely.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
The whole 'two wrongs don't make a right' is a philosophy I have embraced. If a person commits wrong, this does not justify us doing it back. If its wrong for them to do, its wrong for me to also do. As much as I struggle to extend this to sexual offenders, I still think its correct. These people are scum but they still have rights. ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Xorkoth
Bluelight Crew
Yeah, I agree with you when thinking with a level head, but sometimes in the moment I don't want to agree.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
The whole 'two wrongs don't make a right' is a philosophy I have embraced. If a person commits wrong, this does not justify us doing it back. If its wrong for them to do, its wrong for me to also do. As much as I struggle to extend this to sexual offenders, I still think its correct. These people are scum but they still have rights.
Thank you.
I agree.