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The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread

I can appreciate wanting to think everything though and not wanting to jump to rash conclusions. Most of the time it's a good quality.

But if someone here tells you about something horrible that happened to them. I think the right thing to do is to simply believe them. It shouldn't require any additional thought.

I generally consider myself a very rational person, but there are times when people need you to just believe them. No questions, no doubting, no buts. Just straight acceptance that what they said is the truth. This is an example of such a time.

one question though...why?

why should I actively believe something someone says if I do not have a legitimate reason?

im not saying I’m going to call them a liar. I have no reason to believe that either.

why is simply withholding judgement wrong?
 
Sure, women lie. Women are human beings, and human beings are not always truthful.

But when multiple people are accusing the same person of criminal behavior, odds are, they are right.

Men get raped, sexually assaulted and harassed as well - let's not forget.
Not all of Weinstein's accusers were women...
 
one question though...why?

why should I actively believe something someone says if I do not have a legitimate reason?

im not saying I’m going to call them a liar. I have no reason to believe that either.

why is simply withholding judgement wrong?

Because there is nothing good that will come from doubt. The accused isn't here, you don't know them. Your opinion of them isn't relevant.

But you know the person who told you. And they need you to believe them. Your doubt will hurt them.

More overall benefit is served by your belief than by your doubt.

And given that it's more likely true than a lie. Given most such accusations are truthful. And little harm is done by your belief relative to your doubt. All in all more good is done by your belief than is done by your doubt.

More overall harm is done by your skepticism in every case than by your faith that it's true in every case. Because most of the time it'll be true. And the victim needs you to believe them. It will hurt them if you are skeptical or reserve judgement or whatever.

If you had a hundred people tell you of a hundred instances of being abused. A lot more harm will come from being skeptical or reserving judgement or whatever you wanna call it each time than just having faith that it's true.
 
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Because there is nothing good that will come from doubt. The accused isn't here, you don't know them. Your opinion of them isn't relevant.

But you know the person who told you. And they need you to believe them. Your doubt will hurt them.

More overall benefit is served by your belief than by your doubt.

And given that it's more likely true than a lie. Given most such accusations are truthful. And little harm is done by your belief relative to your doubt. All in all more good is done by your belief than is done by your doubt.

More overall harm is done by your skepticism in every case than by your faith that it's true in every case. Because most of the time it'll be true. And the victim needs you to believe them. It will hurt them if you are skeptical or reserve judgement or whatever.

If you had a hundred people tell you of a hundred instances of being abused. A lot more harm will come from being skeptical or reserving judgement or whatever you wanna call it each time than just having faith that it's true.

I’m not that into the concept of faith. And the victim doesn’t need me to believe them. They need the police to investigate and arrest the bastard that hurt them. Agree to disagree I guess.
 
It took awhile for our friend here to say, "women lie." I'm pretty sure that's his real thesis. He is suspicious of women and their stories, and starts on the presumption they're lying before applying any reason. "Don't believe every single thing they say just because they're a woman."

It's sad, because he might not be able to see it yet--or does and he's trolling--and because it's the sort of reaction of someone who was really hurt at some point.

We've explained why his view is dangerous, but he keeps riding that tone-deaf train. Maybe he'll reflect on what ever damaged him someday, and finally realize what we're talking about.

What the hell are you talking about?
 
It took awhile for our friend here to say, "women lie." I'm pretty sure that's his real thesis. He is suspicious of women and their stories, and starts on the presumption they're lying before applying any reason. "Don't believe every single thing they say just because they're a woman."

It's sad, because he might not be able to see it yet--or does and he's trolling--and because it's the sort of reaction of someone who was really hurt at some point.

We've explained why his view is dangerous, but he keeps riding that tone-deaf train. Maybe he'll reflect on what ever damaged him someday, and finally realize what we're talking about
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Jess, what's your impolite way? Cause I'd rather answer that one. Don't worry, it'll have small words and simple sentences.
 
The impolite version would have been something like...

"He's probably high, just ignore it"

But I didn't wanna potentially hurt your feelings or piss you off by saying that. I got a friend, he'd drive me absolutely nuts cause he'd take benzos or smoke pot and become utterly incomprehensible and start doing stupid annoying shit but at the same time he'd remain totally unaware of how impaired he was. Getting pissed at ME because he couldn't understand why I was suddenly acting like such a bitch cause he couldn't see how he was acting while high. Amazingly he still thought he was acting normally.

This reminds me a little of that. I've noticed your posts frequently don't seem to make a whole lot of sense and I think it's cause your high while writing them. But hey man, I'm not telling you to stop. This is bluelight, I've posted while obviously under the influence several times. Usually either on meth spending three hours writing a post several pages long. Or on heroin spending three hours trying to finish one sentence. I'm not telling you to stop, it doesn't bother me at all. Just don't be surprised if some of us don't pay a lot of attention to some of your posts sometimes. :)
 
That's some fiery irony right there, and I'm at least two bowls away from matching that reflective perspicacity. Like in my old drunk days when I thought the cable was out for a solid week and it turned out I was just too drunk to work two remotes.

(It wasn't Comcast with the rreception issue, IOW.) Not every sober person appreciates the perspicuity of my pabulum either; so I'd be happy to assist you with its apprehension, if I could be certain the attention wouldn't enrage any drunken Canadian lurkers.
 
Another day, another outpouring of abuse, harassment and rape claims across the world. Who would have predicted the Weinstein revelations would cause all this?


Speaker Bercow calls for zero tolerance of harassment

Commons Speaker John Bercow has said there must be "zero tolerance" of sexual harassment in Parliament as ministers vowed action "within days" to improve the way complaints are handled.

Claims about inappropriate behaviour by MPs were "disturbing", Mr Bercow said.

All parties, he said, must have "credible" staff grievance procedures.

Commons leader Andrea Leadsom said MPs must "put their house in order" quickly because everyone "had to a right to feel at ease" working in Parliament.

In a statement, she said recent allegations against MPs "risked bringing all our offices into disrepute" and Parliament "must take action in days not weeks".

She confirmed that the Cabinet Office was investigating specific allegations about whether individuals had broken the ministerial code and said the most serious allegations should be referred to the police.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41798728


Rape claims hit Islam scholar Tariq Ramadan in France

French prosecutors are investigating allegations by two women who say they were raped by Tariq Ramadan, a renowned Islamic scholar and Oxford professor.

One of them, Henda Ayari, told a French TV interviewer that Mr Ramadan had assaulted her in a Paris hotel in 2012.

"He literally pounced on me like a wild animal," she said.

In a Facebook post Prof Ramadan denied the accusations, calling them "a campaign of lies", and said his lawyer was suing the women for "slander".

Ms Ayari used to wear the Islamic full-face veil but is now a secular feminist activist.

She said the sexual harassment scandal surrounding Hollywood film mogul Harvey Weinstein had emboldened her to accuse Mr Ramadan explicitly.

Many women worldwide have shared accounts of sexual harassment using the Twitter hashtag #MeToo. In France the equivalent is #balancetonporc, meaning "expose your pig".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41805953



Kevin Spacey criticised over link between homosexuality and abuse

House of Cards star widely condemned for conflating sexuality with inappropriate behaviour in apology to Anthony Rapp

Kevin Spacey is facing criticism for the way he linked his sexuality to his apology about allegations of sexual advances towards a 14-year-old actor.

The House Of Cards star and former artistic director of London’s Old Vic theatre said he could not remember sexually harassing Star Trek actor Anthony Rapp in 1986.

Human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell lamented the timing of Spacey’s decision to come out as gay.

“It is tragic that it has taken allegations of sexual harassment for Kevin Spacey to finally come out as gay, after not disclosing his sexuality for decades. It is even worse that he mixes up his sexuality with inappropriate behaviour. His gayness is irrelevant. It’s his actions that have prompted concern,” he told the Guardian.

Stonewall, the LGBT lobby group, echoed Tatchell’s concerns. Kim Sanders, communications manager for the group, said: “Usually when celebrities come out we’re quick to send on our congratulations and to talk about the importance of role models. But for Kevin Spacey to choose this particular moment to come out is harmful to the LGBT community. His sexual orientation bears no relevance to the serious allegations he is facing, and to conflate these things is extremely damaging.”

Tatchell added: “Although women are the main victims of sexual abuse and inappropriate behaviour by male public figures, clearly some men are victims too. All those affected, whatever their gender or sexuality, deserve admiration for coming forward and telling their story.

“We have to respond to the post-Weinstein outpouring of revelations by changing the male and workplace culture that allows abuse to happen. To protect future generations, it should be mandatory for all schools to teach pupils about consent and abuse issues and to challenge the disordered forms of masculinity that fuel sex abuse.”

https://www.theguardian.com/culture...sed-over-link-between-abuse-and-homosexuality
 
These women put up with Harvey having sex with them to advance their careers. He did not assault them in a parking lot and hold them down against their will and rape them.

The willingly came to a hotel room alone with him, engaged in sex acts, and continued to engage in sex acts in order to advance their careers.

This is not rape, its prostitution if anything.
One person might be lying, but dozens are telling the truth.
 
One person might be lying, but dozens are telling the truth
Yeah, I have a feeling there's a few golddiggers mixed in with the real victims, but that still means Weinstein is guilty as hell.

The one thing I learned aboot karma is it comes back 10X harder back at you then what you put out.
Its like the boomerang from hell
 
Another day, another outpouring of abuse, harassment and rape claims across the world. Who would have predicted the Weinstein revelations would cause all this?

Proving this "rape" stuff really is overblown. It only took a dozen women to become global celebrities each with a personal fortune and secure future returns, to bring down one guy who everyone already knew was guilty.
 
And out goes the first UK government minister on sexual harassment grounds...


Sir Michael Fallon resigns, saying his conduct 'fell short'

Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon has resigned, saying his behaviour may have "fallen short" of the standards expected by the UK military.

He told the BBC that what had been "acceptable 15, 10 years ago is clearly not acceptable now".

He is the first politician to quit following recently revealed claims of serious sexual abuse in Parliament.

The PM said she appreciated the "serious manner" in which Sir Michael had considered his Cabinet role.

Theresa May also praised the "particular example you wish to set servicemen and women and others".


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41838682
 
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