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the role of baking soda in crack

CuriousCub

CuriousCub

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pardon me if i didn't scour the drug sources, im just looking for some quick responses...
so what does the baking soda serve as when creating crack?
when the crack is being smoked, is the soda smoked as well? is soda harmful to one's body in itself?
how is one certain that impurities are being freed when vaporizing the tainted coke?
thanks...
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There shouldn't be any soda in the final product which is crack/freebase.
Here's what happens. Cocaine HCl is the comman form of cocaine that we all love to snort and slam. Cocaine freebase without the HCl molecule is crack. So we wanna knock the HCl off of the coke. The Na (sodium) molecule in the baking soda is attracted to and will react with the Cl in cocaine HCl. This liberates the cocaine molecule freeing it from the HCl. Understand that?
Cocaine HCl + Na(in sodium bicarb) = NaCl + cocaine (crack)
 
NaCl (sodium chloride) is water soluble and will dissolve. The cocaine freebase molecule isn;t water soluble and will seperate and float ontop of the water. Understand? There wont be any baking soda in the crack. If there are some trace amounts you can get rid of it easily by washing the crack with water. There really shouldn;t be any there though.
 
No comments on this?
Does this kinda explain why crack and freebase are the same thing? Many people think that just cause somethiing is posted on the internet it must be true. Keep in mind that the poepl who write that nonsense about crack being different from freebase aren't chemists. They're reporters and the like.
 
hmmmm, I though freebase cocaine, attained without the "crack" method, existed as an oil? im not sure of this though...
 
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Crack IS freebase cocaine.
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Cocaine HCl + Na(in sodium bicarb) = NaCl + cocaine (crack)
Click to expand...
So what happens to the spare hydrogen molecule? Does it just float off into the air? Is that a silly question?
On the subject of (possibly) silly questions, could you use this method to produce the freebase of any salt? Or does it just happen to work in this case?
And could you use another chemical in the first group of the periodic table instead of sodium? (Assuming you could get it)
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hmmm i THINK this is a double replacement reaction HCl + NaHCO3 ---> H2CO3 + NaCl. H2CO3 (carbonic acid) decomposes into CO2 and H2O (this reaction is catalyized by water).
This should work for all alkli earth metals (lower down the perodic table the better) but Na+ is easily obtainable so y bother.
I am interested if this method works for other H+(group 7A) salts. Would this method work, for example, on DXM HBr?
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shit, sorry i forgot to ask sumthing. does the Cocaine HCl + Sodium Bicarbonate reaction need a catalyst? if so whut?
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(Almost nobody dances sober, unless he happens to be insane.)
-Cicero, Pro Murena
 
cocaine HCL + NaOH -> cocaine (crack) + NaCl H2O
ADD^HEAT
I'm fairly sure that is how it would pan out. The H2O would be boiled off. Of course, I have no practical experience with this reaction and could very well be talking out of my ass. Perhaps I'll try it with a small amount next time a friend has some coke and repost.
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herez the procedure on erowid. mix cocaine HCl in a solution of sodium bicarbonate and water (2 parts cocaine to 1 part sodium bicarbonate) and add heat. Excess sodium bicarbonate will percipitate to the bottem and the crack will float on the top.
Like DJWannabe said u should be able to wash the cocaine HCl with a sodium hydroxide (NaOH) sol'n instead, then wash with water.
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Nemo enim fere saltat sobrius, nisi forte insanit.
(Almost nobody dances sober, unless he happens to be insane.)
-Cicero, Pro Murena
 
I have spent countless hours working with the proportions, being carefull and treating it with the same care as when we were making MDMA and meth (a far cry from crank) ... I could still NEVER come close to making a rock as good as the shit they make in the ghetto - I have seen their process, they just kind of throw everything together and *BAM* ass kicking crack ...
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OK because I am procrastinating for my exams, lemmee give you all the lowdown on crack, freebase, etc...
the word freebase can have two meanings: a noun and a verb.
The noun means "a drug in it's freebase form" (i.e. NOT it's HCl crystal form). Crack is a freebase form of cocaine made from cooking the powder, impurities and all, with baking soda. However, crack is not the ONLY form of freebase cocaine. The other "cocaine freebase" is the stuff Richard Pryor was trying to make when he almost killed himself. This procedure includes ethers, and other chemicals I'm not sure about. It's supposed to separate the cocaine HCL from the cuts and impurities and then cook it into a pure freebase form. Basically, it makes "freebase cocaine" just as the crack-making procedure does, but its supposed to give a more pure (and thus more potent) free-base product.
The word "freebase" is also used as a verb. To "freebase" something means to smoke a drug that is in it's freebase form. Simple, no?
Note that the ONLY commonly used drug that needs to be in it's freebase form to be smoked, is cocaine. ALL other stuff, like methamphetamine, heroin, etc. is smokeable in it's HCL crystal form, and, in fact, is NOT smokeable in it's freebase form, since this is a thick oil which is not so easy to smoke! So it would not be appropriate to say you are "freebasing" when smoking meth or heroin, because these are NOT in their freebase forms.
For some reason, (I don't know what) cocaine is basically the OPPOSITE of every other drug in it's smokeable vs. non-smokeable form.
Hope I could clear thangs up...
- Citrus
[This message has been edited by Citrus (edited 05 May 2001).]
 
Thanks Citrus!!
I have a question that is off topic, but can't be bothered starting a new thread.
So from my (new) understanding any speed can be smoked. I recently bought a nice small flower vase (read: crack pipe).
I was wondering if is possible/prudent to put normal speed in and smoke it?
Its not meth , and I imagine it has been cut with gluscose.
 
My understanding is that people use glass pipes to smoke all kinds of stuff, including crack, pure freebase cocaine, meth, amphetamine (I'm assuming that's what your speed is), etc...
But I've never done it, so I don't know if there are any dangers to look out for, or special things to know about, or even if it's OK for an inexperienced person to do it by themselves the first time. These questions are best answered by someone with real experience. Actually, I'm curious about this too...always wanted to try smoking stimulants, lol!
- Citrus
 
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