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The Red Pill or The Blue Pill?

SunEdltye I've had a few dreams like that. One in particular that I can remember quite well was when I was in High School and I really wanted a drum kit (no one understood my obsession with drums).
Anyway on the way home from school everyday I used to go to this shop in Burwood, I think it was called the Drum Shop or something like that (hey my memory sucks ok), and me and my friend used to go in there and basically just drool over the drum kits in there
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. After about a year of going in there it closed down cause it wasn't doing much business.
About 4 months after it closed down I had a dream about going there and actually buying a drum kit, then playing it in the garage at my house. In fact I thought this dream was so real that when I woke up in the morning I went out to the garage to find no drum kit.
Now here comes the wierd part. I went to school that day and I was telling my friend about it and she told me she had pretty much the same dream :O. Now if that isn't weird then I don't know what is??????????
 
maybe this is on too big a tangent but why define reality as being something external to your mind?
Everything you know is in your brain and viewed with your own interpretations (mostly sub- un-conscious). Reality is something that is not ficticious or imaginary....but what is ficticious to one person may not be so to another...(thinking along the lines of people locked in mental institutions with "dillusional thoughts" stamped on their file).
It is only the controlling bodies of the world who have created the concept of right and wrong (on a broard scale) to keep some order amongst our species....the basis for religion??? (not going to tread there!)...and have therefore defined what we are supposed to be thinking. When in actual fact EVERYTHING we see, hear, say and do is part of our reality...and this includes drug experiences (they happened, they were not ficticious), dreams, seeing fairies whatever.
I think the term reality has been adapted to describe the 9-5 working life to earn a living, buy a house, have kids and basically exist the way the controlling bodies want us too. And there's no escaping this, the simple fact is you need money to survive and that's not about to change anytime in the near future, as the trend of our 'intelligent thought' has made it so that we depend on it.
I don't like the definition of escape "a conscious effort to forget mental troubles by taking up some other powerful interest". The fact is where ever you go is also reality and your mental troubles don't go away and never will until they're looked at.
so getting back to the reality vs escape thing, you can't escape anything...or rather there's nothing to escape from if you view reality as everything you have in your brain. You are constantly adding to it, creating an 'enlightened reality'???? i.e. wisdom. My point is, can you think for yourself and just live? or do we just keep on searching for something else?
I think we all keep searching and finding, therefore gaining wisdom (or should that be knowledge? they can be mutually exclusive). For me it's just the 'mass thought is law' thing that has separated reality into right and wrong components...right being the conform to 'normal everyday life' and wrong being 'escaping to fantasy land or mental cases'.
Like I said it's all in our interpretation of the meanings of what we're talking about. So if reality is everything, then the real pill must be white, because beams of light of all colours when put into one beam is white. On that note, the red and blue pills only represent 2 segments of the entire picture.....
sorry if that was a tad on the wrong tangent to what everyone was thinking, but that's how I see it and that's my reality.
 
There's a blue pill?!?!? Goddamn it, why didnt anyone tell me!!! LoL
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Nah I recon i was pretty much born with the red pill in my mouth. In the movie matrixm i recon the blue one represents following the short term goals ur told to do, until you die. And the red pill means a fundemental crack down to the very core of existance. This my friends goes beyond drugs, which is a very short-term window into what lies beyond the routine of life.
 
To take the drug context out of this lets look at it as the biblical apple of knowledge in the garden of eden. Do you bite the apple and hope for the best or do you accept life as it is (in divine ignorance of the true nature of the world outside the garden). If you bite the apple you risk losing everything you have but also may gain 'true' insight. "Do you want to take the money and run or risk it all and see whats behind door number 2?" Pills for me planted a seed, a desire for true knowledge that was not moderated or distorted by my ego. Since then i have embarked on my little journey and I have felt unknowable joy and the pits of suicidal dispair, but all with the knowledge that it is somehow more 'real' or honest or something than the life i was previously leading. I personally think that 95% of the population is permanently stoned on prime time T.V., glossy magazine and ego misconceptions. Ack, i guess what i'm trying to say is, I chose the red pill, which for me is high definition vision without rosey filters. So as I explore my subconscious daily I teeter between eternal radiance and utter self loathing, but to me its 'real.'
Geez i'm a pretentious fuck! (my ego said that so u'd think i'm really humble)
Sleep Well
Tim
 
boops: yeah nice one. sure everything that goes on in our mind has some sort of claim on reality, but maybe the whole escape thing had too blunt a point put on it. i think what i mean when i say things like "escape from reality" is "retreat from the negative aspects of our experience of reality". it pretty much amounts to the same thing, but of cause we can't go and hide somewhere "un-real", the concept is self-defeating. i'm just a bit lazy to say what i'm really thinking when i make generalisations like that
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i guess this whole argument, and any discussion involving disputes over broad issues like reality and what it really is, really hinges on where everyone draws their lines of definition. you can't really have a discussion (on anything) where everyone's pulling in different directions, and expect to find consensus. it's still damn fun tho!
tars: you wanna pull this thread back onto any line you may have originally had in mind? i like it... but is it getting a bit messy?
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"Cabbages... knickers.... it's not got a beak!"
 
I think its all about where you come from...
In the movie Neo has very little to lose, he is a loner who hates his generic job and whose private life seems to be centred around hacking computer systems for money...
would he have taken the red pill if he had say a wife, or had his own company he had fought for, or anything in his life that had meaning...
he took the red pill to find meaning because he couldnt find any in the blue pill world. Which brings me to my point (yes really!) that we are all searching for meaning in something because its too weird to just "be".
I reckon e is the red pill at first, but then quickly turns into the blue... its the lesson you learn...
i like to think i live in the blue pill world but know a little of the red.
My answer, i would take the green pill with the ? on it, then think about it!
 
In the beginning, everything like taking the red pill. The seemed almost no end as to which the pill would take me. This was because I used to love getting very gakked. It would take me to a level of bliss that went far beyond me just being comfortable with myself and my suroundings. I went on to see a whole new life which I could live. I have changed my life since so I can live out those dreams.
But in recent times it was more like taking the blue pill. An experience where I felt as if I weren't that far away from my normal life, but yet in a state of harmony and control.
Now it's the no pill. Taking a break, a long one.
 
I think that the red and the blue pill are one and the same thing, just as light cannot exist without shadow, reality as far as we understand it could not exist without un-reality. Although un-reality and reality are fluid, who knows which is more real. Clearly the use of the red/blue pill dichotomy can be used as a metaphor for drugs, although i'd agree with Tars that it extends beyond this. Having said this i'll unfortunately use it. I mean we have all of these receptors that are specifically designed to interact with drugs and warp consciousness. They are there for a purpose, which is to reassure us however briefly that we are not living in something like the matrix. This ties into my idea that reality and unreality are merely constructions, both could be real or fake, and i guess we find out when we die. Which one would i take? None because one is a part of the other and any way who wants to take a pill when you can have 2CB! *drool*
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definetly the blue pill..
id rather not find out how deep the rabit hole really is... but i wouldnt mind staying in wonderland :P
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i would take the blue pill to go back before shit happened. so that i would go back to thinking that parties where away from reality and that nothing goes wrong there.
i would take the red pill to get away from reality and find out what else is out there.
meh, canna think straight, too much going on.
later i come back to this.
 
in my somewhat twisted opinion, when one takes the red pill, they are in fact taking the blue pill anyway.
i'd explain further but that would take to much effort, extracting the goop from my brain and trasnferring into the computer... *bah*
 
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