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the question no one wants to admit!!!

well my friend has been hooked on oxycontin and any other powerfull painkillers he could get his hands on to. he started out saying he would never pay 40+$ for 80mgs of oc and felt bad for those that did. he knew he was addicted when he became that person paying 40+.

regrets... none, just the ppl that he hurt over the years of his abuse, but it was his choice and he is and always will be in control of that choice.

~klast
 
SPUNK said:
- any regrets?

more than I care to share. In order to do coke/crack I had to lie to someone very close to me. I became a liar.....I fucking hate liars. I am very much back on track these days, and learned a lot, but lost a lot as well. [/B]

thats the worst part :(
 
OK.....Ill answer my own question now i guess.
(sniff, sniff, another 80 bites the dust)


I am rockin the boat so hard that no one but mysef is on it now, and im barley holding on. Shit.........I was hooked after the first 3 5 mg percocet's i ever took, and that was over seven (7) years ago.

My back is broken so of course i get a crap load of EVERYTHING for the pain,......Perk 10's.....oxy 20's...oxy 80's.....xanex (sp)......soma.....what ever!!!!!!!!!!! the thing is though, i feel as im in some (lol yea right) control. i can go a few days here or there but the mental mind screw is the worst, i dont know, i guess i can be a whiner sometimes but at least i answered the question.

NO REGRETS AT ALL!!!!!! LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO NOT ROCK THE BOAT, HAVE FUN, ROCK THE BOAT SOME MORE, AND MOST OF ALL " IF THIS BOAT'S A ROCKIN.........THAT MEANS I HAVE SOME GOOD S_ _ _ !!!!!


Peace and lots of Good Times......................TaskMan
 
Ok, so where were you and more importantly, what were you on when you first realized that you were HOOKED. Addicted or whatever you want to call it.

When I first realized I had a drug problem, I was using ketamine, marijuana, PCP, LSD, DOM, ecstasy, mushrooms, heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, benzodiazepines, various painkillers and probably some other stuff. I just did anything I could get my hands on as often as possible.

--are you still rockin the boat

Once in a blue moon.

--are you in control

It seems like it right now. That could change tommorrow.

--any regrets

Tons.
 
my boyfriend is a closet speed freak who is in denial of his addiction... any tips anyone?
 
any tips anyone?
Send him to this site! That way he will at least learn SAFER ways to use his drug of choice... and eventually he will hopefully learn all of the risks and consequences of his choices... I say that giving anybody access to information is better than letting them continue beleiving misinformation, lies, rumours, and propoganda. The whole concept of "harm reduction" is that people are smart enough to know when someone is lying to them, and so although nobody is going to beleive the abstinance hardline, they WILL be able to learn factual information about the risks they are taking. Hopefully, if he's not too far gone in this disease, he will be able to USE this information to improve his lifestyle.
 
i think that i'm in complete control (maybe i'm not). But i simply can't trust someone who has never used any drugs except briefly alcohol and/or marijuana. A person with no knowledge of actual drug using can and should not try and tell me what to do with my so called "problem"
 
I would not say that I am 'addicted' to cannabinoids, in that I can quit 'cold turkey' without any withdrawal symptoms or residual cravings. Weed really is not that reinforcing. That said, however, I do enjoy "smokin' the reefer" several nights per week. I suppose that makes me a high-functioning stoner. So it goes. Nicotine is one of those insidious little drugs--I can go a month or more without touching a cigarette, but I always go back to them eventually, either when at a bar with friends, or writing papers/reviews.


"We're high above, but on the flood... It's not a habit, it's cool--I feel alive. If you don't have it, you're on the other side... I'm not an addict, baby, that's a lie."
 
--are you still rockin the boat

Ha, I have tipped this boat to many times in my life. I have been a crack head ,spent all my money, stole , hit bottom, etc. Quit that all by myself which was hard. I was a pot head for 8 years, I smoked ALOT everyday, wasted so much time, hit bottom, etc. Quit that by myself too. I have been a etard, not much to say on that, but quit that also. Benzo's <ativan> was addticted to that, quit. Now I am on opiates, blah. For back problems but I like them to much.

--are you in control

I like to say I am but I never am really.

--any regrets
All the dam money I have wasted, I hate to even think about it, its so scary!
 
Task:

If you are suffering from chronic, severe pain (CSP), from your broken back, then you are not 'addicted' to pain meds. If you are not experiencing CSP, then you're scamming for pain meds, & need to self-evaluate your situation as it relates to addiciton.

The newest philosophy of CSP treatment, (some docs use the term "intractable" pain - personally I think chronic, severe pain is more self-explanatory), that is being used in training doctors encourages no, demands, that doctors do not think of their patients as addicts, or even use the term "addiction" when talking with patients.

Addiction is not a factor in managing CSP. A study done sometime in the last 3-5 years showed that less than 3% of patients suffering from CSP had problems with, or showed symptoms of addiction when adequately treated for their pain. More recent research is pointing toward the body's ability to 'selectively' utilize opioids to treat CSP first, before getting the patient 'high'.

But it's really not about addiction symptoms or utilization of opiates in the body. It's about choice.

A basic tenet of addiction therapy is the addict needs to accept that addiction is a choice. For any type of addiction treatment to work, the addict has make the choice to stop doing the drug. Without the individual's will & personal decision accompanying the Choice to stop doing a drug, no treatment plan, program or voodoo will ever work.

On the other hand, a person with CSP cannot choose to not use pain meds - only in rare cases is a patient able to manage CSP without meds. Usually, upon closer examination, a person able to manage their pain without meds doesn't fall into the classification of CSP. Hence the use of "chronic" & "severe" to describe the pain.

If you are taking pain meds for CSP, you most likely will take them the rest of your life. The factors that concern you are tolerance, (& the accompanying need to increase your level of meds) & side-effects, (knowledge about the drugs is your best weapon).

If you happen to have increased energy from the meds, or an elevated mood, (euphoria), from the meds consider yourself lucky. There are many, many people who suffer from CSP that must take pain meds, and they puke, can't screw, can't sleep/sleep too much, have sores in their mouth, itch like crazy, etc, etc..... So, if you like the effect of the meds, & they don't interfere with your life, be glad - don't beat yourself up regarding addiction, particularly when doctors of the world are finally getting their heads out of their asses & realizing the people with CSP are not addicts.

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More than a few years ago, I had the chance to 'teach the teacher'. My mentor in grad school was diagnosed with terminal cancer - an aggressive, '3-4 months to live' cancer. This man was influential in my development as a scholar & scientist, as well as a helping me to grow as a 'man'.

He was in the final 6-7 weeks of his life & had just received a morphine-pump. We were taking a walk during a Spring day.

You should realize that this was a man, in his mid 50's, who rarely drank alcohol, & as he told me one time: he had smoked pot once in '68, while at Berkeley, didn't like it & never tried it again.

On this Spring day, he was telling me about the effects of the morphine pump he had received the day before, and that he didn't want to spend the last weeks of his life 'drugged out' or 'fuzzy-headed'.

It was then that I told him for the first time that I was a sufferer of chronic, severe pain, & took large amounts of opiates & muscle-relaxers everyday, and had been for over 10 years - including the three years I was a grad student, his research assistant/teaching assistant. That I had learned years before to take energy & vitality from the meds & put them to use in my life rather than allow them to interfere with living.

I went on to tell him the duration & levels of pain that I dealt with on an ongoing basis every day, day-in & day-out. To say he was taken aback by my revalations to him is a huge understatement.

We didn't speak of this again until just a few days before his death, as I sat on his bed, serving him a meal I had just prepared for him. It was then he told me that I had profoundly effected his last weeks of life, and that he would be eternally greatful that I had chosen that Spring day to share with him how I had learned to draw vitality & energy from opiates.

He told me he was certain that the previous month & a half had been completely different after he realized, that he, too, could use the meds to his advantage, to give him energy, to allow him to do whatever he chose, to say goodbye to everyone that he wished to bid farewell rather than allow the meds 'drug' him out.

----


Since that time, many years ago, my perspective on pain meds has grown, surpassing what it was then.

There is a reason the opium poppy grows naturally & un-aided on every continent on our planet, & even more, a reason that our brain has specific neuro-receptor sites which are specifically responsive to opiates. And a reason that our body naturally produces a chemical that is nearly a twin for the essence of an opium poppy.

Only when we, as a people, move beyond this irrational fear of "drugs" and "addiction" that is the basis for the ridiculous "War on Drugs" will we discover what that reason truly is.....


Possibly in the future.....

Time Trav'lur
 
about two and a half years ago, my parents sent me to rehab in utah (against my will) after they found out i had done coke (only a few times) and then found out about my increasing stimulant use (drug of choice, meth, but more stuff like dexedrine or ritalin because i got it for free)
so i spent two years away from home, and i never really had the desire to stop, and now i'm back. before i came back home, i brought tweak to my boarding school after a visit (an after-rehab type place), did coke a few times, and did crack for the first time. upon coming back, i did meth on the weekends mostly, drug tests kinda interfered with my use, so it was only weekends. at this point, my choice way of doin it was smoking, but i snorted when that was the only way i could. then the drug tests stopped, and i pretty much stopped snorting, and my use started to stretch from the weekends to the weekdays. just last week, i started slammin' it, but i'm still not to everyday use, partly cos of money, and partly cos i have to drive kinda far to pick it up usually. actually, i'm spun right now!
in control? i don't think i'm completely out of control or completely in control. i manage to make it through the week without it, but once the weekend comes, i'll basically stop at nothing to get it. so yeah, i dunno. in AA or NA they call that "functional addiction", but who knows how long i'll stay functional?
good topic
 
--are you still rockin the boat

Drowning in the surrounding water, frankly.


--are you in control

Enough to keep my habit and yearns from ruining me, but not by much


--any regrets

My whole teenage and adult life :\
The total of two years I spent in county jails and prison bootcamp (yuck
:p)

I'm an official poster child kids, this is what happens when you don't respect the power of what you start into. Play with fire, and you'll get burned.

However, at least I have had, and somewhat still have the sense to try and research my potential substances as best I could. While it may not seem like it helps much, in the long end youll thank yourself for the relative peace of mind.
 
[edit: everyone's threshold for addiction is different. please take your flames and sarcasm somewhere else. -@E]
 
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In control?

I'm pretty much in control of things right now. I don't use any 'hard' drugs that involve a rough coming down or anything like that.
I'll drink a few beers occasionally, or drink some poppy tea a few times a week. But I know how to taper off, or just stop when I have to.
It definitely doesn't interfere with my saving of money. I don't spend much money on stuff like that, most of my paychecks go straight into the bank.

Any regrets?

Probably back in high school, spending every bit of money I had on pot. I was such a fucking bum. I was a total waste of air, and wasted everyone's time around me. I was homeless for a while, and now that I'm getting back on my feet it feels great to not smoke even though it's around me sometimes. I've learned my lesson and hit rock bottom (hopefully). :)
I definitely regret all the stupid shit I did in high school though. Being forced to go to AA because I was always broke (from buying pot) and drinking (to get drunk) at every opportunity. I pretty much tried any substance I could get my hands on. I was a total loser, and just completely unsatisfied with life and myself.
I think I've learned to just let things go, and not let the feelings of uselessness and hopelessness get to me. Just try to take my mind off things (something I was once unable to do, I used to just get stuck in my head and need any substance I could get my hands on to feel normal). I still feel pretty empty with life as a whole, and I can't say that I'm very happy, but I'm alive and in the process of turning my life around. Currently pulling a 4.0 in college while working on a master's degree (only about 2 years away from that degree!!). So things are on the up and up lately.
 
I have a couple of friends who are pretty 'addicted' to weed. They basically cannot sleep at all unless they smoke it before they go to sleep and eating is really hard unless they get high before they eat..
 
I was somewhat addicted to meth... if my friend wouldn't have made me quite i most definitly would have been an addict. Just like Red Haze i would have dreams about smoking. Sometimes i even thought i could see the smoke. Damn that meth !! hehe Well, now i have complete comtrol only doing it once in awhile now. I have no regrets what so ever from all of my experiences with meth =D
 
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