• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

The Psychedelic Being

Status
Not open for further replies.
The 1st thing I'm trying to get across is that I believe and understand that the people of the various Scriptures believed that Psychedelics are God (the "Father").

Would you go ahead and find me one religion that actually believes that psychedelics are "God", and not the way to get to the Gods?

Because the Mayans, Buddhists, Sikhs, Tribal religions and even some Jewish and Christian sects have all used psychedelics and other substances as a way to achieve alternate states of minds... and they all believe that these trance-like states are a direct link to the God's or spirits they believe in... I have yet to EVER see a religion that says that psychedelics ARE God.



I think you may be confused about what you have learned during your trips... we are only mortal after all, and often make mistakes when dealing with concepts outside of our grasps. Perhaps you mean that the action in which these psychedelics work are linked to the God(s)... I could see this. On a recent trip I came to the conclusion that Heaven may not even be a place at all, but a state of being...

A constant release of Serotonin, dopamine, prolactin (orgasm chemical), oxytocin (the love chemical) and the many others... or at least, maybe that's how it feels...


Considering that psychedelics all utilize Serotonin and the others, maybe you can substantiate an arguement that seems to be based on little more than your personal experiences... because we sure as hell aren't going to get them unless we went through them ourselves.


This is just my opinion, and what the hell do I know... right? But personally, I just think you may need to rethink it a bit..
 
Back in the sixties, when message buttons (like smiley face) were popular one of the best ones to bug-your-parents, and get cops to hassle you, was a yellow on purple one that proadly proclaimed (in all caps blocked letters) that...GOD IS ACID

maybe you've seen this button on an old episode of "Dragnet"?

Soooo...at least that's some historical basis for Somaeye's belief system.
 
Go to google and search "Aztec calender" and that is what I saw on a heroic mushroom dose of maybe 5 grams. The Aztec designs were arranged in a wheel with "him" at the center. There were many small parts and everything was moving and mutating and rotating slowly clockwise. The designs were "pressed" into the ceiling like a notary seal is pressed into paper. This went on for hours. The dude at the center of the wheel said nothing to me but he felt like an entity not just a face in a design. I have no Mexican ancestry.

Iv had a very similar experience as you on 3.5 grams of some strong PE while watching Ancient Aliens on the big screen. My walls were a rotating mayan calendar and I was at the center. Instead of having questions or random thoughts pop in my head, I felt like i had all the answers.
 
Instead of having questions or random thoughts pop in my head, I felt like i had all the answers.

YES! This is what changed my life, for good. After the confusion and disorientation of a near DMT-esque mushroom experience, the clarity and depth of mind was amazing... it was like I could take any question that seemingly has no answer, and within a few seconds I would understand the innermost ideals of that phrase... and it just kept coming for a good hour or two

That was the experience in which I had absolutely no doubt that there was a God, and that I could reach directly to him through the disciplined use of psychedelics.. it's kind of made it impossibly for me to have a non-spiritual trip actually lol. Every single trip that I can remember in the past year has been extremely entity-contacting and spiritually deep.. I'm actually going to buy some 2C-B to try and get a psychedelic I might actually be able to take around other people hahaha


Back in the sixties, when message buttons (like smiley face) were popular one of the best ones to bug-your-parents, and get cops to hassle you, was a yellow on purple one that proadly proclaimed (in all caps blocked letters) that...GOD IS ACID

I always liked the "Eat Acid - See God" one more :D
 
Back in the sixties, when message buttons (like smiley face) were popular one of the best ones to bug-your-parents, and get cops to hassle you, was a yellow on purple one that proadly proclaimed (in all caps blocked letters) that...GOD IS ACID

maybe you've seen this button on an old episode of "Dragnet"?

Soooo...at least that's some historical basis for Somaeye's belief system.

It may have been that way on "Dragnet" but in reality it was only those who worshiped Psychedelics who weren't "hassled by the cops". The Native American Church was given an exemption to the drug laws (in the 60's) because, (according to the discussion in the US Congress at the time), they believe that Peyote is a Deity. And the religions that didn't believe that, such as Leary's "League for Spiritual Discovery" (LSD), the "Church of the Awakening", etc., were denied largely because they didn't believe that about their sacrament.

Since then, there have been other court decisions which backed up this legal reasoning.

On the other hand, it's likely that the people who wore a button like that didn't really believe it and were doing it as a joke and a provocation. I could see how that would irritate.

Not that proclaiming the only true God - the only true Eucharist - means instantly having unending Paradise.

Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Christ.
Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because rich is your reward in heaven. For their ancestors did the very same to the Prophets.

--St. Luke, 6, 22
 
Last edited:
Like I said, I accept that is what you believe and understand I have no objection to the fact that you do. But you have blatantly and repeatedly accused me of falsifying my position in order to "win an argument." In this last post you seem to edging towards an admission that this is not the case. I would like you to go a little further and say that you accept that I have not been disingenuous. I fear an apology would be asking too much from you.

I wasn't saying you were falsifying your position - I was saying that you muddied and tried to divert the focus of the discussion in order to try to win an argument - which which is what you did. I don't know how conscious you were of trying to do that. It seems that the discussions in this thread tend to get into alot of "I'm more intelligent than you" type of battles, rather than an honest search for truth - so maybe acting that way was more like habit than deliberate.

But, I'm wondering how much you were doing that also because you wanted to cling to your belief that there is no God, and admitting that "colors and patterns" could also be called "the Inner Light" was leading to an understanding that the original Christians were worshiping Psychedelics - thus opening a path of thought that you have wanted to keep closed.
 
Last edited:
I wasn't saying you were falsifying your position

You were.

I was saying that you muddied and tried to divert the focus of the discussion in order to try to win an argument - which I still am believing that you did.

Am you indeed?

I don't know how conscious you were of trying to do that. It seems that the discussions in this thread tend to get into alot of "I'm more intelligent than you" type of battles, rather than an honest search for truth - so maybe acting that way was more like habit than deliberate.

How dare you suggest that I am not in conscious control of the things I say? Genuinely, how dare you?

But, I'm wondering how much you were doing that also because you wanted to cling to your belief that there is no God, and admitting that "colors and patterns" could also be called "the Inner Light" was leading to an understanding that the original Christians were worshiping Psychedelics - thus opening a path of thought that you have wanted to keep closed.

Oh god you bore me. You bore me to tears. The paucity of your imagination is staggering. If the universe really did run in the way you think it does it would be a horribly dull place. Philip Dick dreamt up and discarded thousands of cosmologies more interesting than your gnostism-lite schtick.
 
Last edited:
I can't believe how long this has been dragging on... if somaeye wants to think psychedelics are God, that's his bag. Same for anyone else's beliefs.

What irks me (and why I'm posting in this thread now) is that some of you folks are claiming objective truth, or at least validity.. with no empirical or didactic or even rationale evidence.

Quit making claims you can't back up. Take it to Philosophy and Spirituality; there's like eight threads about this idea in those pages...

I think this thread is completely derailed.
 
^This thread has been derailed since page 1, well more like the OP changed the topic within the first page. And his baseless speculation is about psychedelics, so it's forum appropriate. Eventually people will just stop trying to convince him and the thread will die, though this one has gone on for an impressively long time.
 
Last edited:
I've recently tried to break through on DMT a few times (still havn't managed it)..

1 time, while closing my eyes and watching the liquid colours flow around this space behind my eyes / in my mind a sensed and kind of felt an alien being come from the liquid like flows and stroke my face.. it was examining me but in a nice way..

Was cool.. can't wait to meet it again.
 
^This thread has been derailed since page 1, well more like the OP changed the topic within the first page. And his baseless speculation is about psychedelics, so it's forum appropriate. Eventually people will just stop trying to convince him and the thread will die, though this one has gone on for an impressively long time.

Actually, the subject change began before I started commenting on it. This was the exchange:

somaeye said:
ismene said:
^^

Interesting theory folding - I must admit I've always had a sneaky feeling that my "God" or "entity" are actually just a part of my own mind.

As I've mentioned before, my belief is that God is the Essence of consciousness. However, I believe that although They allow us to have consciousness, that They are beyond our selves.
 
I've recently tried to break through on DMT a few times (still havn't managed it)..

1 time, while closing my eyes and watching the liquid colours flow around this space behind my eyes / in my mind a sensed and kind of felt an alien being come from the liquid like flows and stroke my face.. it was examining me but in a nice way..

Was cool.. can't wait to meet it again.

That's how it started for me.... first they were just there, but their presence alone taught me something... soon they were really trying to communicate with me, and that's what we did. Eventually I washed out an old LSD vial and got an earth shattering dose... those same spirits came into this world and I could see them with my own eyes.... something I believed was impossible before..

After that trip I had an almost DMT-esque shroom trip, and 3 months later my life is still completely different.


Religion or not, ++++ are some extremely profound and life changing events, and they will probably continue to be the best experiences of my life for a long, long time.
 
I just posted this in the thread "Smoked 120-150 mg of DMT" and thought to post it here also.

somaeye said:
cuntball said:
A few days ago I loaded my DMT machine with 150 mg of DMT. This was the first time I tried smoking with this pipe. I believe I got ALL of it in one big toke. I have big lungs and I took it as deep as I could. I've smoked DMT 20+ times.

This was my first negative experience with DMT. There was no euphoria and it was simply sad and weird.. I felt like someone took a piece of my soul or consciousness and laughed at me. It was if my whole mind was being read in a matter of seconds and discarded. I felt really small and depressed after that trip. When I came back I didn't know who I was, I had no thoughts, I just saw my floor swirling around. I sat there motionless for a good 15-20 minutes after the trip. I was away for a long time lol.

I'm a little bit afraid of picking up the pipe again. What the fuck was that? Maybe I misinterpreted the experience. It was WAY different and darker than my usual breakthrough experiences.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs <news:alt.drugs>
Subject: Re: Lophophora diffusa
Date: 30 Sep 1994 04:27:28 GMT
Message-ID: [email protected]


My friend and I had decided we were going to find out what this cactus was all about. We set up tent in a nearby canyon, made a little fire and sliced about 10 specimens. into "peyote buttons" We tried to chew a button and swallow it, without succes: the taste was so repulsive it was impossible to swallow. Finally, by boiling 20 buttons in aguardiente and swallowing the liquid, we were able to get a fair amount of extract down our throats.

Within 30 minutes my hearing began to change: it was was like every word I or my friend said was pitched down considerably until it sounded like a growling or rumbling. This effect lasted untill well after the actual experience. Afer another 10 minutes I felt catatonic: transfixed in a motionless position. Eventually i probably fell over on my side and lay there, unable to move. I suddenly saw myself walking through the desert, the same we were currently in, until I arrived at a lonely house in the middle of nowhere. I went inside and came into what looked like a doctor's waiting room. Several indians were sitting there, apparently waiting to meet the "doctor". Eventually, it was my turn to enter the doctors office. Behind a desk there was a "man" looking like a giant peyote cactus, all green and with a "crown" like the fluffy rosette on top ofd a peyote. The man spoke, introduced himself as "doctor Roskowski" or something like that. Then he (it?) asked me " what was my reason to come and visit him?" I did not know what to answer and said something like " well, uhuhuhuh , I uuh just took some cactus to see what it was like..." He immediately went furious and made me understand that I was wasting his time and that people came to him for very good reasons, for advice etc. So he ordered someone to kick me out and told me to leave the area immediately. and I was literally kicked out of the house and was back in the desert. I walked through the desert for a long time until i saw my friend walking towards me in the distance. At the moment we were close enough to say "how'ryadoin" I "woke up" and saw my friend standing in front of me. Later he told me he had had /exactly/ the same experience...He was frightened and wanted to leave the spot instantaneously. So we hitched back to Queretaro.

A person ought to examine `themselves before they eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks their own condemnation.
--1 Corinthians, 11, 28 (St. Paul)
 
Juss sayin, I take psychedelics to get fucked up. Often for more esoteric reasons as well, but often enough just recreationally. I don't believe it's a sacrament, more like a tool. And also, the only difficult or negative experiences I've had have been during those times when it wasn't just for fun. Just fucking around with psychedelics have never left me unpleasant.
 
Juss sayin, I take psychedelics to get fucked up. Often for more esoteric reasons as well, but often enough just recreationally. I don't believe it's a sacrament, more like a tool. And also, the only difficult or negative experiences I've had have been during those times when it wasn't just for fun. Just fucking around with psychedelics have never left me unpleasant.

Yeah, I take them to get fucked up too... too bad it never works out that way for me 8(



For example, the mushroom trip that changed my life for good.. I went into that just looking for a great, fun trip... what I got was a horribly scary one, that later turned into the most intense and eye-opening event in my life... and that was on a dose that was lower than usual!


Psychedelics do what they want with you.... to try and control them is nothing more than utter foolishness. That's why whenever I take them now, I basically have to be prepared for ANYTHING to happen. I could be in a euphoric state almost like MDMA, or transcending this universe and delving into my mind.... all depends on what "They" wish to do with me, or what they want me to learn.
 
I think you are on pretty safe ground with acid, as long as it really is acid and not some chemical soup then 99% of the time I find it pretty standard territory, not controllable so much but definitely familiar and safe.

For me it's the tryptamines that are like sailing into uncharted waters every time.
 
Disagree. There have been several posts in this thread that talk about entities without a feeling that they were necessarily representing the Psychedelic ingested.

Well then, if that's appropriate then this thread's purpose completely overlaps with the main entity contact thread, and there's no reason for its separate existence. However, since most content is digressive, this is unsuitable for merging. Feel free to restate your theory of pharmacolatry in the aforementioned entity contact thread, maybe you'll get to hear about other peoples theories and experiences too.

For the rest of it, I encourage you to take it up in PM if y'all are still enjoying the exchange.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top