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^Trump has pardoned a number of known criminals. Getting caught up over Hillary at this point is nothing but hypocritical.
I wanted to get the bottom of this claim of being "not qualified"
Why not qualified?
Who is more qualified?
Meanwhile this insane, unqualified idiot just convinced North Korea to give up its nukes.
No, it's just people who make these comments have zero understanding of the Clinton email scandal and the severity of removing classified information from government networks.^Trump has pardoned a number of known criminals. Getting caught up over Hillary at this point is nothing but hypocritical.
You basically are.I'm not saying give investigating Hillary a rest
I'll repeat what I wrote in my last post, maybe you can stop evading this question:I'm saying we're talking about Trump, not Hillary. If someone raises a concern about Trump, and you go "but Hillary!", that is evading the question.
Why bring that up? Stick to the facts and evidence. Clinton paid to set up a private server and conducted government business on it without congressional oversight. Removed classified information and above top-secret intelligence and put the files onto the separate server that was unencrypted for 3 months, while also back-upped the files to the cloud at Platte River & Datto. Destroyed subpoena'd evidence.Also, I'm saying that a lot of the stuff said about Hillary is right-wing smear campaign stuff and not real
Yes Pizzagate would be considered a big bowl of baloney, if it wasn't for the Clintons rescuing a child trafficker instead of helping to punish them.(pizzagate comes to mind)
No offence but you have no idea what you are talking about.Also from what I read in the declassified document about the uranium thing, it seemed to not be what you're characterizing it as. It alleged that uranium stolen from Russia by another group was discovered/recovered by the US. Since it was Russia's, we gave it back. if we hadn't we'd have been stealing it. It's not like we handed uranium to ISIS or something, we gave back uranium to the country who has about the same amount of nuclear missiles as we do. You think giving Russia back some uranium that was theirs endangers us in any way? I wish I could remember where the link to the document was posted in here, I remember it was fairly recent and I went ahead and read it. Wish I could remember so I could quote the parts of it that led me to what I'm saying now.
Yes well that's because you're willfully ignoring the evidence, and will probably ignore the points I'm making because you will label me "far-right"I don't see the evidence that Hillary is any worse than many others. I mean maybe if I got all my evidence from far-right sources, and believed them, I'd feel differently.
Watch Trump's interview on NK in 1999 and tell me he doesn't know what he's talking about. He predicted the mess there and then cleaned it up 20 yrs later. He beat the establishment candidate in a general election with half the money and almost negative media support. The results indicate qualification. He has been intimately connected to political circles for his entire career. The Clintons were at his wedding. He knows what is up and has been carefully observing everyone for decades. He also has excellent advisors and is tight with the military. We are witnessing the swamp drain and it is accelerating.He has no previous political experience
I know it's a crazy concept but it's not just the POTUS pulling all the economic strings. In Trump's first year the stock market set a remarkable number of records, adding $5 trillion. The fake news media predicted "a Trump win would sink stocks". The country was even looking at 4% growth in one quarter. Results prove he either knows what he's doing (more likely), or that the man in that position is irrelevant.He doesn't understand how to run a country financially (countries are much different from businesses and he has never been in politics or been involved in governmental policy decisions before)...
Trump has created 515 businesses (268 branded with his name) and only 11 of them failed. that's a 98.64% success rate.even in his own businesses he has declared bankruptcy what, 4 times? Screwing over people he owed money to, running businesses into the ground only to get bailed out via bankruptcy.
Peace through strength. He's a master of persuasion, and never passes up the opportunity to troll his detractors. So far pretty much all of his tweets since the inauguration that the media went bonkers over and called 'conspiracy theories' have been proven to be true. How does Trump manage to stay one step ahead of his opponents and the fake news liberal media? It's not from being stupid or out of control.He has not shown himself able to control his impulses. See: Twitter (for example). He offends the rest of the world and it damages our reputation and standing among even our allies. I know many Trump supports like him because they feel he "real talks", but the fact is that as a leader of a nation, you need to be a diplomat, it's just the way it is. His diplomacy skills leave a lot to be desired.
Vague nothings, and considering the state of the previous admins, shouldn't that have helped Trump in the political sphere?He has a long history of corrupt behavior; allegations against him began long before he made any sort of moves towards running for office.
"Sure, I mean eliminating the imminent threat of nuclear war in Asia is all well and good, but Trump is still evil for saying some shithole countries are "shitholes"!"By the way, as I said before, if the North Korea stuff works out, then I'll happily credit him with doing something good, too. But it won't invalidate or forgive the other stuff.
JGrimez said:
- The whole "fake news"/turning the public against the media thing, vilifying every news source while engendering blind trust in a single news source (Fox) which coincidentally is the one who reports favorably on him and his agenda. - screw the fake news media. They deserve everything they get and are currently on life support. They are enemies to any Americans that desire the truth.
- Repealing of media antitrust laws, allowing Sinclair group to consolidate local news stations across the country, with the clear end goal being a single source of news which is under his/their control/aligned with him/them
"Sure, I mean eliminating the imminent threat of nuclear war in Asia is all well and good, but Trump is still evil for saying some shithole countries are "shitholes"!"
Did you present any evidence of Trump committing a felony?I don't think we can ever get anywhere with this because you think all of my evidence is fake
I respect your opinions but not when you're being willfully ignorant. It's not my evidence, it's THE evidence. In that video I linked, James Comey FBI director at the time, lists off some of the crimes that the FBI can prove Clinton is guilty of. The validity of the evidence isn't really up for debate, it's a fact. The only argument around that is whether Clinton should be indicted or not. In my opinion, if you break the law you face the consequences even if you're a powerful politician.and I think all of your evidence is fake. THIS is the very problem with the whole "fake news" thing. Neither of us knows the truth, but we no longer respect each others' opinions or listen to each other at all.
Yes, screw them. For as long as they continue to suppress positive stories and promote misleading lies.the top two points on my list, the ones I consider the most alarming (really it's 2 parts of the same point), you have done nothing to refute. The first point you basically said, screw them, which does nothing to answer my concern I stated. And you didn't answer the second one at all.
That was a characterization of your mob in general, not you specifically.You're misrepresenting me. I think Trump is problematic and a president for the points I listed above, not because of some tiny little thing. I think that comment was blown way out of proportion.
You haven't researched her activities so you also ignore the evidence found by the FBI. Otherwise you would agree that Clinton was guilty of mishandling classified information, violating the espionage act and obstruction of justice. "probably a crook" doesn't cut it. Evidence is thing.I am not talking about Hillary, she's probably a crook too.
Yes I don't completely trust Fox News either. They omit a lot of stuff, just currently they are the cable news source that is closest to reality. Their numbers show this they are #1 in ratings.but what about Trump constantly tweeting about how you should only trust Fox, while Sinclair group moves towards consolidating the media? Does this concern you? It's an example of something that is objectively fact, it's public record, Trump repealed media antitrust laws when he got into office and Sinclair has been buying up large portions of the local news stations across the country and requiring them to spend time each day reciting their talking points including how you can't trust other news sources. Don't you find this problematic?
I know you're speaking generally but my evidence above was the FBI press conference on the issue. I also posted The Hill & the NYTimes with articles backing up the Uranium One controversy. Your attempt to discredit is based on an outright false premise.You repeatedly cite sources as evidence of claims that I disbelieve, that's why I call them your facts, because I don't think they're facts. Declassified documents, public records... those are indisputable facts.
Articles are quite often factually accurate. I don't post false information. You can look through the history of a source, compare their articles to what was discovered later on and then assess their track record.Content from pundit articles are not facts.
Not surprised. You couldn't even find the evidence for Clinton's top-secret server blunder. I'd bet good money you would not be able to describe the actual accusations of pizzagate researchers. You will probably parrot to me the official narrative which is a strawman and misrepresentation of the claims.I mean you tried to tell me that pizzagate is a real thing the other day. I have never seen a single compelling piece of evidence to suggest it is.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html