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The prescription opiod crisis is a false narrative

Psynaught

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The prescription opiod crisis is a false narrative. Prescription opiod overdoses have NOT been rising, the rising deaths have come from ILLEGAL opioids, derived from fentynal.

Basically the whole story is a lie. People are not dying from opioids they get from a doctor, they are dying from illegally synthesized fentyloques. These are street drugs. Here is a link to the article: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8994995/

The authors of the article conclude that the medical industry is propagating hysteria, with deceitful use of clinical data.

In another post I will comment on some of the extremely negative consequences of this lie. One is, if we returned to allowing doctors to prescribe and control the nose of opioids we would actually reduce the black market demand and subsequent deaths.
 
According to the authors,

[The data] to which we refer throughout this analysis is fraught with gross inaccuracies, misrepresentation of data, and disregard for scientific integrity to the extent that we find it to be unconscionable. As we personally know many of the individuals responsible for this news release, we believe that at least a few of them are sufficiently adequate scientists to the extent that the picture that they have tried to paint was an intentionally inaccurate one, and that they should know better than to use deceit simply to express their misguided opinions. From an ethical perspective, we are deeply concerned that such egregious efforts are potentially damaging to vulnerable chronic pain sufferers who are already stigmatized and marginalized, thereby exacerbating their plight. Sadly, we do not believe that this analysis will serve as a catalyst for disingenuous anti-opioidists to change their ways. However, we hope that by continuing to expose the continuing falsehoods that are damaging to so many patients, the tide against opioids and those who suffer from intractable chronic pain will begin to turn in a more moderatist direction.
 
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The prescription opiod crisis is a false narrative. Prescription opiod overdoses have NOT been rising, the rising deaths have come from ILLEGAL opioids, derived from fentynal.
true, but it doesnt take away that it all started with the pill-mills and "lets give everyone strong opioids for taking a fokken tooth out or any booboo etc. and oxys for anything as long as u keep going back etc....
and then the all going away in an instant and people going to heroin cos price was 1/10, also makes me sick to my stomach thkingin how many people has died taking "M30" thiking oh how have i missed these just for the first pill of the night being death sentence :/

just yesterday someone posted he´s experience getting them first time when fent was just a that boring shit that doesnt even have legs or euphoria vs goold old H/dillies/oxy and lasting an hour..... fent(and then)alogues(at first mixed with real h did all the work for PR and people hunting the "it´s so strong dude died from one bag)

sry for rambling hope it makes some sense lol
 
true, but it doesnt take away that it all started with the pill-mills and "lets give everyone strong opioids for taking a fokken tooth out or any booboo etc. and oxys for anything as long as u keep going back etc....
and then the all going away in an instant and people going to heroin cos price was 1/10, also makes me sick to my stomach thkingin how many people has died taking "M30" thiking oh how have i missed these just for the first pill of the night being death sentence :/

just yesterday someone posted he´s experience getting them first time when fent was just a that boring shit that doesnt even have legs or euphoria vs goold old H/dillies/oxy and lasting an hour..... fent(and then)alogues(at first mixed with real h did all the work for PR and people hunting the "it´s so strong dude died from one bag)

sry for rambling hope it makes some sense lol


Yes, but the bottom line is, if the medical industry was not so fanatical about withholding pain medication, people would not turn to the black market and doctors would thus be able to maintain more control over the use of opioids.

I just don't trust doctors anymore. I have an enlarged prostate and had to have a procedure called a cytoscopy. I was told "it is relatively painless you don't need anything." Bullshit. They shoved a small camera down my penis all the way through my heavily inflamed prostate. It was akin to something a German Nazi doctor would do to someone in a Jewish death camp. My friend had it done...a tough guy we are both former mixed martial artists with high levels of pain tolerance (I've had my face smashed in in an amateur fight, etc.). He got a valium for his cytoscopy. Like I said, I got nothing. You will scream in pain when you urinate afterwards.

Now I have to have my prostate cut down. They are actually going to cut the center of it out. Again the said "it is not that painful, you will only need Motrin." Again, Bullshit. My friend, another MMA pro (BJJ Black Belt) had the procedure done and he said it was one of the most pain full recoveries ever.

I have other examples of medical procedures I have gone through where I have suffered needlessly. One was an osseous surgery. If you don't think 10 shots to the roof of your mouth hurts you need mental help (I got nothing). Broken bones hurt less. IMO sorry people have abused pain meds, but people need them and don't get them anymore. In my (many) surgeries before the "opiod crisis" I got what was needed. Today, the medical industry cannot be trusted. I will have black market Oxy's stashed for my prostate surgery.
 
Sad that NL is following US in its foodsteps.
They are even scaremongereing on illegal Heroine and Fentanyl/
Etinazenes. Not a prescription or illegal user.
I never heard of loads of junkie s dying of Fent ed yet overhere.

Anyone that can confirm they are also in NL, not 1 but many samples.
Can t confirm or deny, but my intiution says lie.
Maybe i am so wrong, do have your gear tested !

So why that news does reach people like my Granny ?
Me, i don t watch news on TV barely as I care more for my mental well being,
news is instant depression ime.

Concerning dr s there no one line. Broke 3 things in about 3.5 years.

My arm, got Diclofenac, meaning stomach pains easy 10 timesworse then my arm.
Relieved by a power poo.
Wouldn t i have made it back it would have,
squirted out under by my legs to up to my neck. Good pain med ⚠️

Collar Bone: 84 Oxycodone 5 mg 3 a day, huh. That was a dr.

Broken Ribs: endure the pain its good to suffer. Set of Nazi dr s.
Did the Nazi s invent Diclofenac btw as torture tool at first :confused: :poop: ... 🌋

1 outta 3, and that only concerning pain.
One big mess on meds as dr s today are: wick, wick, whack.
 
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It might not be a prescription drug crisis but the opiate crisis is more of a false flag than a false narrative. The US and it allies actively worked with drug lords in Afghanistan (northern alliance etc) and did NOT destroy poppy fields!!! The Taliban has taken control and stopped opium production now.. Sadly Heroin is on the decline and Fentanyl is killing everyone now. What a great was to spend billions of taxpayer dollars!!!
 
To be clear ....I am most certainly NOT saying that opioids are not dangerous. I am saying they were less dangerous when we let doctors control the supply.

A doctor controlled legal supply would kill off a lot of the black market. I never had a problem when I took what was prescribed as prescribe by doctors. In fact I never even really got high and stopped/ran out after 7 days.

We need to return control back to doctors.
 
You're essentially correct OP. For a lot of us old hats in this race, the situation you're describing is pretty much common knowledge. That doesn't detract from the importance of discussing it though. I'm mostly saying this to validate your feelings. We understand how you feel. This is something we've been living with, discussing, researching for almost two decades now. I graduated High School in 2009 and Oxycontin was huge at that time. In Lowell, MA the Wrestling Team, Football Team, Populars, Un-Populars and everyone in between used Oxycontin with the same approach as they would Cannabis.

The simplest and quickest way of describing this story is that the entire industry, prescribers, pharma companies and yes, the federal government all demonstrated that they were willing to sacrifice lives for money. For instance, the United States Attorney for Maine famously defended Purdue, enabling them to go crazy on his entire state, before he then went to work for Purdue, becoming extremely wealthy in the process. We know that there was collusion between Pharma companies like Purdue and the highest levels of the Food and Drug Administration. A corrupt FDA employee essentially took bribes in order to allow an unheard of labeling of an Opioid as eligible for indefinite usage.

In a "landmark case" Purdue was sued. They were fined a pittance compared to the total profits generated from the sales of the drug. All of the Sacklers retired as extremely wealthy, non-felons. A person can spend their entire life in prison for murdering a single person. Our leaders and lawmakers determined that hundreds of thousands of lives didn't even warrant the Sackler's having to sell a single yacht.

It's a lesson in abject greed. People who were seen as incorruptible showed that they were only so up to a point. The Opioid Epidemic produced money on a scale that was just crazy. Pharma caused a complete catastrophe and were given a slap on the wrist.

It was not just pharma. The prescribing doctors in my opinion got off way, way too fucking easy in regard to their role in this farce. They claimed that because an extremely addictive, well-known Opioid that had been around for a century, would magically be non-addictive simply by spacing out how the drug is dosed? Sure, maybe that logic can convince my Grandmother, but physicians are professionally-trained scientists whom we trust and respect for their skills of deductive reasoning. If this ploy by Purdue was enough to actually fool these doctors, than they are too stupid and/or ignorant to be doctors in the first place.

They knew what they were doing. They took the risk. They though they could get away with it. Sacrifice just a teeny bit of their morals so they can pay off their student loans or get a new car. Well, that lapse in morality caused a minor apocalypse.

To further demonstrate how these doctors care more about their own lives than those of their patients, when the heat came down on them they not only reduced prescribing, they completely cut everyone off from effective pain management so they don't have to worry. Again, they sacrifice the well-being of their patients. The honorable thing would be to prescribe the Opioids as they should be prescribed, responsibly. A good doctor would follow their oath and do the right thing for their patients regardless of how it may make them look.

In the end, all of them walked away free of guilt or consequence. The doctors blamed Pharma, Pharma got a slap on the wrist, the government, well, obviously they can do whatever the hell they want anyway. It is now the generation of addicts created by this bullshit who suffer. They are pariahs forced to live on the outskirts of society, judged, hated and ignored.

In the end, the average person driving buy a Fentanyl addict on the street today is gong to say it was their own bad decisions that got them there. Meanwhile, the Sackler's are getting some sun on their yachts in the Mediterranean, doing Coke and probably doing fucked up shit like hunting human beings for sport in a third world country.

That's the way that the world goes round. I hope everybody reading this takes this as a lesson. We all are responsible for doing the right thing for the people around us. When we sacrifice our humanity, shit like this happens.
 
Keif: Wow, incredible read, thank you for posting! When I was growing up many, many years ago (and abusing drugs) it was coke and meth destroying lives....although we also had pretty good access to benzos. I had no direct experience with opioids.

Knowledgeable posts like yours absolutely scares the snot out of me.
 
Please stop @Psynaught I hate when people compliment me in public settings ;)

I'm glad it made sense. It's an emotional issue for me like I'm sure it is for all of us here. I get worked up emotionally every time I rehash it in my brain. My opinions deviate somewhat from the mainstream though. I believe the prescribing doctors hold an incredible amount of responsibility here. I don't believe that every doctor who wrote prescriptions in bad faith knew that they were going to cause an absolute catastrophe. I believe a lot of them thought they would make a small moral compromise as we all do sometimes.

The problem is that physicians are held to a higher standard. They train for years. They take an oath to do the right thing for their patients. They are not allowed to make moral compromises. Police officers are not allowed to make moral compromises. These people wield power, be it the power of life and death or the full authority of the law. When these people compromise their morals terrible things happen.

The part that fills me utterly with rage is how the doctors denied culpability, in the process demonizing their patients to save their own skin. See, once a patient uses Heroin or Fentanyl, the doctor can officially say, "that's different, they are drug addicts now, that's none of my business". The same doctors that destroyed families, condemned millions to lives of misery and degradation are still driving their BMW's to work and acting as if their saints. To just completely destroy someone by your own twisted decisions only to blame them for it? I don't know what it takes to get into Hell, but they must at least be candidates.

Fun fact: My Grandmother was a teetotaler her whole life. Her Father had been a horribly abusive Alcoholic. She got older, needed a hip replacement, started developing dementia etc. Then the medications started. Lorazepam (Ativan) 2-3 times a day, Zolpidem (Ambien) at night and Hydrocodone (Vicodin) for the pain. My grandmother didn't have a clue that this was basically a street junkie's wet dream. She grew up in an era where doctors healed people.

She was on this stuff for a few years. Two months in a row my Grandmother had run out of medication 3-4 days early. She just wasn't getting relief anymore due to tolerance and she was suffering. This doctor told my Grandmother she was an addict, said she was "med-seeking" (that fucking cunt, one day I will punch her in the ovaries) and informed her that their was a Methadone clinic 60 minutes away. My Grandmother didn't know what Opioids were. She did not know what the term Benzodiazepine meant. She referred to her collective medication as "her pills".

The doctor withdrew her from everything including the Lorazepam over the course of about 7 days. By day 4, my Grandmother was so dehydrated she was hallucinating. I woke up to find her on the bathroom floor having shit herself as she struggled to sit up to vomit into the toilet. My Grandmother, who had been a great lady with friends and respect, was now a poly-substance addict laying on her bathroom floor covered in her own piss and shit, crying and begging me to make it stop.

We took her to the hospital. They ended up stabilizing her to the point where she was coherent. I explained the situation to the staff at the hospital. They gave me some pamphlets regarding 12-step meetings, drug rehabs and so on. They informed me that my Grandmother was in fact, a hopeless drug addict who was using both myself and the system to fulfill her twisted compulsions.

They released her after 3 days with no medication whatsoever. She ended up having a seizure a couple of days later and bit the tip of her tongue off. I watched my Grandmother shaking uncontrollably as blood spurted out of her mouth. The sounds she made of desperation, agony and fear will be with me my entire life. There was nothing I could do for her. I couldn't even get her drugs, as she lived in a small farming town of ~5,000 and there was no "place" to buy drugs.

Another trip to the hospital. A slightly more sympathetic provider gave her a 3 day taper of Lorazepam. which was pointless in the big picture. This went on for about 10 days before she started normalizing, able to control her bowels and communicate clearly. However, she shook so badly that we had to help her eat and drink for about a month.

The "resolution" of the issue came in a few months. This was my Grandmother living in a constant panic attack, alternating between extreme depression, anxiety and fear. She constantly believed she was having a heart attack. She was extremely confused. She had a slight hint of dementia previously, though it was incredibly minor.

They destroyed her and then left the blame at her feet. My Grandmother, who loved all of us, worked her whole life, taught Sunday school and was involved in the community, ended up too afraid to leave her house.

She never, under any circumstances would have taken any of that medication ever if she had a clear understanding of what it was. It was all just medicine to her. The doctor might as well just shot her in the neck like a diseased horse. At least we have the humanity to put these horses out of their misery.

This whole thing is a parable of the consequences of greed. Shame on all of these people.
 
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