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The potential legality of legitimate, published RC research?

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LooSiD

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I know that chemicals like 4-AcO-DMT are "legal" with the provision that they are not to be consumed by humans, but what if legitimate researchers in some relevant field of psychology decided to put their reputation on the line and made an application to the government to conduct research with these substances on healthy volunteers? Is anyone actually doing research on research chemicals?
 
I imagine the maze of regulatory agencies you'd have to go through would be for all practical purposes impenetrable. I do know the Auburn University Pharmacology Dept has done work on detecting various cathinones in urine and distinguishing them from other MDxx type drugs in various types of analyses, but insofar as any legitimate human bioassays, not that i'm aware of.

Also, 4-Aco-DMT is one of the few that's been specifically listed as an analogue in the U.S., during some of the litigation pursuant to Operation WebTryp, so it technically, is illegal. Also, its the acetate ester of psilocin, which would make it fit quite well with the U.S. legislation, unfortunately.

I've thought about this quite a bit myself, and I doubt it would be possible at the moment. If you wanted to study its effects you could find a community of users and distribute surveys, but that's probably about it.
 
any major dude said:
Also, 4-Aco-DMT is one of the few that's been specifically listed as an analogue in the U.S., during some of the litigation pursuant to Operation WebTryp, so it technically, is illegal.
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URL? I don't recall any of the WebTryp vendors ever offering 4-AcO-DMT - that chemical was actually mostly unheard of until post-WebTryp IIRC.
 
LooSiD said:
I know that chemicals like 4-AcO-DMT are "legal" with the provision that they are not to be consumed by humans, but what if legitimate researchers in some relevant field of psychology decided to put their reputation on the line and made an application to the government to conduct research with these substances on healthy volunteers? Is anyone actually doing research on research chemicals?
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Shulgin and Strassman say it's ludicrous amounts of paperwork, bureaucracy, and red tape for, best case scenario, 2 years, before you can actually do anything.
 
Well call me selfish but I reckon there's a percentage of bluelighters who have money & contacts we could use - kill em off as reactionaries & keep the loot for the party/state ( no apologies for that one) obviously us the proles - that's me & probably you & F&B, we will become the servants of the party/state and distribute funds/resources accordingly.

Man this is the way i'ts always been done & I see no reason to change it now.
 
Talk to someone at M.A.P.S. (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies) they will have an idea of what you would have to go through to do clinical testing.
 
fastandbulbous said:
^ you'd have been better off in communist countries for doing human psychedelic research in the past (Grof never seemed to have any problems, but I'll bet the KGB were very interested in his results)
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I've always thought it was so strange he was put in a gulag before doing psychedelic research... go figure.

I think it would be possible to generate some data by inviting a few friends over for a trip, then having them fill out things like Hood's Mysticism scale and this survey from a '93 study on 2c-t-2 and 2c-t-7. The blank survey is on page 11 IIRC. However getting it published anywhere would be difficult if not impossible.
 
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