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The Politics of Polite

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There are weightier problems in the world. Still, if you’re a woman born any time before the Clinton administration, chances are you’ve been called ma’am on more than one occasion — by solicitous waiters asking whether you were “Done working on that, ma’am?” and hovering store clerks wondering if they can “help you find anything, ma’am,” and traffic cops telling you to “Move your car, ma’am, this isn’t a parking lot,” and the perky, hardworking fellows at the farmers’ market who see you week after week but will always cram so many ma’ams into every transaction that you realize there’s no turning back, you’ve been ma’amed for life.

Ma’am is, of course, a contraction of madam, and its usage varies by region. Southerners and Midwesterners will ma’am with greater frequency than do the residents on the East and West Coasts, said Deborah Tannen, author of “You Just Don’t Understand” and a linguistics professor at Georgetown. “You’re more likely to hear ma’am when somebody is annoyed.”

In theory, ma’am is a courtesy term, meant to convey respect and graciousness lightly salted with deference. Yet much evidence suggests that when it comes to fomenting a sense of good will ma’am fails even more spectacularly than “Have a nice day.”

Certainly in popular culture, many female characters rebel against the ma’am tag. In the mordant, high-end medical soap, “Nurse Jackie,” when a policeman struggling to help subdue a disturbed patient made the mistake of referring to Edie Falco’s eponymous character as “ma’am,” Nurse Jackie shot back, “So help me God, do not call me ma’am — uncuff him!”

Helen Mirren, playing Detective Chief Inspector Jane Tennison on the crime series “Prime Suspect” told her male subordinate: “Listen, I like to be called governor or the boss. I don’t like ma’am. I’m not the bloody queen, so take your pick.” To which came the inevitable answer, “Yes, ma’am, anything you say.”

In the premier episode of “Star Trek: Voyager,” Kate Mulgrew as Capt. Kathryn Janeway informed a young male ensign that “ma’am is acceptable in a crunch, but I prefer captain,” and when, a few moments later, the ensign called her ma’am, the captain retorted, “It’s not crunch time yet — I’ll let you know when.”

If ma’am is meant as a verbal genuflection to power, the message is lost on many real-life powerful women, like Senator Barbara Boxer, who told a brigadier general to refer to her as “senator” rather than “ma’am” at a hearing last year. “I worked so hard to get that title,” she said, “so I’d appreciate it, yes, thank you.”

I put together a completely unscientific poll of my own, courtesy of the online service, SurveyMonkey, and asked some three-dozen professional women how they felt about the word “ma’am.” The group included lawyers, writers, scientists, policymakers, business executives and artists, who ranged in age from 20 to 65. Of the 27 women who responded, only 2 said they liked being called ma’am, applauding the word as “polite” and “because it amuses me”; 10 were neutral; and the remaining 15 disliked it to varying pH levels of causticity. As Jill Soloway, a Los Angeles-based writer who worked on the HBO series “Six Feet Under,” explained: “It makes me think I’m fat and old, like an elderly aunt.”

There are other reasons to dislike the term ma’am — for its whiff of class distinctions, for being dismissive, stiff and drab. “If someone calls me ma’am, it’s superficially a sign of respect, but it’s also creating distance,” Dr. Kroll said. “It’s saying, I’m not going to have a serious conversation with you; I’m not going to engage with you.”

I have never even considered the idea that "ma'am" could be perceived as a negative connotation or be insulting in any way. Being bred in the Bible Belt, it comes as second nature to spout this to every elder or patron with whom I come into contact.

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I think that peoples misguided perceptions cause problems like that. Calling a woman ma'am is a sign of respect. WTF else are we supposed to say? Sir? Lady? Hina? I mean, it could be worse. But really, they just need to get over it. It is just a title. Not like it defines them..
 
Being a woman, born on the East Coast, raised all over the country with many years in Texas and a short time in Kansas-(Now living on the West Coast again)- I've heard ma'am be used in a respectful way, and also a not so kind, underhanded backslap sorta way.
Sometimes it is sort of like- killing someone with kindness.....
And yes, I think region makes a difference. I'd be interested to hear what someone from out of the US thinks......
I personally do not like to be called ma'am but sometimes use ma'am in a respectful way- just as I use Sir. When you spend any amount of your youth in the South, it is only proper to use them.... To show respect.
I agree with the person who said it makes them feel like the fat ole auntie come a callin'. ;)
So I am torn. On one hand I understand it, on the other I dislike it .
 
i was also born and (mostly) raised in the Bible Belt (in east Texas we call our area "the buckle of the Bible Belt"), so saying, "yes, ma'am" and "no, ma'am" (or "yes, sir" and "no, sir") was something i was always taught to say to my elders. it was a sign of respect.

however, i am a young, unmarried woman so i'm not quite a "ma'am" yet. "Miss" works just fine for me. however, once i am older, married and have kids - "ma'am" i will be.

alternatively, funny you never hear men bitching about being called "sir". ;)
 
I think the problem lies in middle-aged or younger women being called "ma'am" - it conveys the sense of being old and not sexy. I was called ma'am the other day by a really young waitress, and it pissed me off, much to my surprise. I was like, I'm not an old lady, bitch! The southern "yes, ma'am" is definitely simply being polite, but "would you like cream with your coffee, ma'am" is rude when I'm definitely not old, in charge of anything, or married. I'm "miss", tyvm!
 
I consider "ma'am" to be a blanket term of respect in a language markedly barren of subtle honorifics (as opposed to titles). If I start distinguishing between "Ma'am" and "Miss", then I might as well start doing so between "Ms." and "Mrs.", between "Sir" and "Mr."--Christ, for that I could live in Vienna and actually sound like I give a damn about these titles. People really need to lighten up.

There are other reasons to dislike the term ma’am — for its whiff of class distinctions, for being dismissive, stiff and drab. “If someone calls me ma’am, it’s superficially a sign of respect, but it’s also creating distance,” Dr. Kroll said. “It’s saying, I’m not going to have a serious conversation with you; I’m not going to engage with you.”

No kidding? There's no way this could be because it's usually said in a context of forced politeness in which neither person really cares about or honors the other, not at all. It's not like our society wouldn't collapse in the case of any such actual sensitivity, because we all have work to do ("Thank you, Ma'am; next?"). "Ma'am", like a forced polite greeting, is an appearance that makes the world run more smoothly, a kind of game continuously played and continuously forgotten. Short answer is: until it's accepted to treat everyone like a chum or family member, I have no intention of giving up flawed, stilted, but better-than-nothing titles.

Just my two bits.
 
in my experiences of high end hospitality jobs, I noticed that "miss" is much more preferred for women. the older ladies whom would obviously be titled "ma'am" get a huge kick out of being called "miss." they don't find it disrespectful, only usually highly flattering
 
We get called "ma'am" and "sir" a lot here where I'm from (Philippines). It's pretty normal and real polite and nice to hear. :)
Some of my teachers [whom I manage] call me ma'am, and I look younger than them! hehe. Never thought of it in a negative way.

Ocean, hope I've given you a perspective from the opposite end of the globe. ;) <3
 
I think of ma'am and sir as the English formal you that other languages I haven't troubled myself to learn have. I say "yes ma'am" and "yes sir" most often in the sense that either I recognize that the situation is formal or that I recognize the relationship as formal. If I have no basis for assuming familiarity ma'am is the default mode, as is sir. There is an age thing woman much younger than me are ma'am but a 16 y/o probably is a Miss.

I live in a building that is 3/4s black. It is fairly common for black women here to be called Miss than their first name. Its a strange construction for me, (strange=outside my experience) but my desire is to use whatever form of address is respectful and preferred by the person adressed so I am calling some women who are my elders Miss Jeanette for example.Miss is used even for married women around here. My middle class white acculturation seemed to be Miss is a young unmarried woman.

Anyways, I'm a Midwesterner and did a short spell in the military, ma'am and sir are both used very equivalently by me and respectfully in the sense that I'm not pretending we are pals. If anyone has any title that I am aware they prefer to be called I'll switch towards that title.
 
I moved to the south in April. I am from Canada but lived in the northeastern US for 10 years where I rarely heard ma'am. I get ma'am'd all the time now by younger and older people. It used to make me feel old but here it is common etiquette. I tend to use it freely now. I find the manners of children I see at work in VA are (on average) impeccible compared to CT.
 
North East Coast kids are raw.

I grew up in Central New Jersey and only people in NYC proper are more abrasive.

I suppose it depends on what the local etiquette is, but I use sir and occasionally mam when I am working in either of my service oriented jobs.

Sir is just a sign of respect, and surprisingly gets one far when trying to tone down what may be an uncomfortable interaction with a very gruff personality type.

I call people half my age sir, if I work with them or know them well enough.

I don't use the term in every interaction, but it does tend to smooth things over from the get go in my experience.

:)
 
enki, its really "miz" not "miss", if you really wanna get technical about it ;) In the south especially that is used for women. I know wat u talkin about, its just a sign of respect. Miz can be a shortened form of mrs, when u say it quick, and it also sounds like miss, which is why it works for married women or single, young or old, u feel me? u dont hear that shit as much in the north except when young kids is talkin to their elders, the old heads on the block , etc...in the south its more common for everybody to use not just people who are younger than the person they talkin to.

Anyways, Noodle, i co sign ya on that one but i think we all already knew that...
 
Don't pretend you all knew what genuflection was before this article. I know I'm not the only one that had to look it up.
That's the real story here!
 
I'm Swedish and in Sweden we don't have any manners :) Basically we don't hold the doors for random people and if you do you'll probably get a weird stare as often as thanks.

There's no proper word for please instead you used a round about way of as in; can you be kind and pass me that joint or you would just say thanks at the end of a sentence where in English you would say please; pass me the joint thanks.

Most people will thank when receiving something or a service from a random but not the absolute majority like in other countries and it's not considered rude to not do so, however if it's someone you know it will be considered very rude.

On the topic of addressing people you always use the first name of the person regardless of their job or status, this includes teachers,priests or doctors.
If you don't know someone you'll typically address them as du(you).
This is the one habit I brought with me in my years of living abroad in various countries and I'll not change this regardless and I've never had any complaints.
 
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Interesting.

I often just start talking to people without using any formal terms or their name. And that is easy to do when dealing with--literally--hundreds of people per day.

I think using a pleasant and non-confrontational tone coupled with positive body language is the key to showing respect and a willingness to 'get along' for its own sake.

Some people I know and have known seem to think such things are trivial, but they are often put off by people's hostile reactions to their poor social skills. It is very important to be proactive and not reactive if one wants to get the most positivity from their regular interactions with others.

Where I come from, no one really cares if you are having a bad day, your back hearts, your have gas, or you just got off the phone with someone that irritated you in some way.

:)
 
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