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The One and Only Official CEP Ron Paul Thread

jeebus - all we can hope is that people can get past his presentation and actually listen to his ideas.
 
foodisgood said:
i would rather have a realistic president that admits our own faults that a nationalistic arrogant idiot that contiues us down the same destructive path.
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Sorry paul has no chance.. His messed up "america stinks" views isn't going over with people except with those who think that way already. that is the truth of the matter. If he had a chance he would be up in the polls he barely registers.

Its ok to admit when we are wrong but Paul blames everything on the united states. That is a terrible president and i never want a president who thinks we are at fault for all the terrible things in this world. America wants someone who will defend and protect this country and Paul isn't that person.
 
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even an ounce of introspection and diplomacy would do the current president a world of good. That's all he is saying. You're pride is too easily hurt jeebus. Ron Paul has only repeated what the CIA and wolfowitz have stated as common knowledge. Continuing to ignore this wisdom will only be of further detriment to the united states.
I do see your point of Ron Paul's message being more sophisticated than other candidates and his answers are not simplistic palatable sound bites, but he gives precise explanations that may require more thinking and reading on the voter's part. He gives his honest view and does not try for the cheap win by not appealing to the lowest common denominator and pandering to people's homophobia or their xenophobia of muslims.
 
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Of course no American wants to accept responsibility for a bad choice or habit, neither exist. We are perfect, always have been, a bastion of freedom and democracy for all. Oppression does not exist in America, nor does or has America ever projected oppression on the outside world. Thats what we left Europe for.

We will freely admit when we are wrong, in fact we will be the first to announce the fact. So far we haven't had the chance to prove our incredible level of transparency since we have yet to make a mistake.

Nationalism was eradicated when we defeated the Nazi's:)
 
Jeebus Mic said:
While Ron Paul as some decent ideas his presentation sucks. His views that it is "america's fault" is not a person i want in the whitehouse and many others feel the same wyay. I havent heard him in a debate where he doesnt blame America for something. Sorry he has no chance. People want a PResident that is for america and Americas interests. Not a president who blames america for everything.
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This is one reason I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich. He's never once blamed America for anything. America is not to blame for her current problems, only the greedy psychopaths on the corporate payroll that have hijacked our government.
 
Corporations are a bunch of Americans. Sure the CEO/CFO make out like bandits, but your grandma's mutual fund has just as much blood on its hands:)
 
Jeebus Mic said:
Sorry paul has no chance.. His messed up "america stinks" views isn't going over with people except with those who think that way already. that is the truth of the matter. If he had a chance he would be up in the polls he barely registers.
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1. He is low in the polls because they call previously registered republicans on landline phones. Some don't even mention his name. Many RP supporters have just registered republican and do not use/have landline phones. Technology has made landline polls outdated.
2. Primaries are won by active people who go out and vote. He dominates the straw polls; events that require people to show up. Ive only seen ron paul signs out in the streets. He draws 1000+ crowds at rallies. He is on track to be the #1 republican fundraiser.
3. Dominates the internet. Not as important as above, but has contributed significantly.

So you can base his support soly on outdated landline polls or a combination of all of the above.
 
kong said:
Corporations are a bunch of Americans. Sure the CEO/CFO make out like bandits,
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not even necessarily - the overwhelming majority of corporations are small operations where the CEO is also likely holding another one of the major board positions. I cannot stand the constant 'corporation' bashing - look, be mad at exxon or whoever you dislike, but this corporation=evil/sketchy/shady bullshit is just sooo ignorant it's not even funny. I almost became a CEO earlier this friggin year, and no, I am not running the country nor am I screwing over the common folks ;)
 
beamers said:
Ron Paul has only repeated what the CIA and wolfowitz have stated as common knowledge. QUOTE]


And where can you show me that the CIA agrees with ROn Paul I have never seen or heard that before.
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bingalpaws said:
not even necessarily - the overwhelming majority of corporations are small operations where the CEO is also likely holding another one of the major board positions. I cannot stand the constant 'corporation' bashing - look, be mad at exxon or whoever you dislike, but this corporation=evil/sketchy/shady bullshit is just sooo ignorant it's not even funny. I almost became a CEO earlier this friggin year, and no, I am not running the country nor am I screwing over the common folks ;)
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Public companies leadership often are very unethical, it makes them lots of money. So ceos also hold board positions...whats your point?

I didn't say all co are evil, just that for the ones that are the blame is spread across shareholders as well as management.
 
e1evene1even said:
Has anyone watched the John Stossel interviews? Personally I thought they were pretty bad. I felt Stossel wanted to ask questions to make Ron Paul's views seem most extreme, and Paul could have done a better job explaining his positions in my opinion.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3970744
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Stossel threw softball questions, Stossel is a libertarian "leaning" republican.
 
And where can you show me that the CIA agrees with ROn Paul I have never seen or heard that before.
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Do what kong says and you will know all. You have a lot to learn.
 
kong said:
Public companies leadership often are very unethical, it makes them lots of money. So ceos also hold board positions...whats your point?

I didn't say all co are evil, just that for the ones that are the blame is spread across shareholders as well as management.
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No actually what I meant is that if I had become a CEO earlier this year, I would have also been a CFO - I would've held 2 of the 6 spots in my corporation as it would've been a 3 person operation in the first place. I was just pointing out that this 'corporation=evil' shit is about the same as 'rich=inheritence'. Both are fun to spew for certain people, but they show incredible ignorance about wealth/corporations. Many don't understand that the average corporation is a small business, and that the average rich person is first generation rich.
 
kong said:
Corporations are a bunch of Americans. Sure the CEO/CFO make out like bandits, but your grandma's mutual fund has just as much blood on its hands:)
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Not my grandma's mutual fund. Sorry but, the nursing home ate that one. +1 for universal healthcare. ;)
 
mulberryman said:
This is one reason I'm supporting Dennis Kucinich. He's never once blamed America for anything. America is not to blame for her current problems, only the greedy psychopaths on the corporate payroll that have hijacked our government.
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Oh? Americans aren't responsible for the aggressive measures our government takes to secure oil reserves? Every other car on the road that I see is occupied by one person, and is over a ton of aluminum and steel that gets under 20 miles per gallon.

Do Americans have anybody but themselves to blame for our trade defecit and the precarious position national banks of other countries have us in? No, we don't. We buy new cars ever 5 years, new TVs every three years, and new cell phones every 8 months. We don't save money, we eat shitty food and don't stay fit. We spend money we don't have on things we don't need. We have almost totally abdicated our roles as citizens, and become "consumers".


No buddy, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. :)
 
bingalpaws said:
No actually what I meant is that if I had become a CEO earlier this year, I would have also been a CFO - I would've held 2 of the 6 spots in my corporation as it would've been a 3 person operation in the first place. I was just pointing out that this 'corporation=evil' shit is about the same as 'rich=inheritence'. Both are fun to spew for certain people, but they show incredible ignorance about wealth/corporations. Many don't understand that the average corporation is a small business, and that the average rich person is first generation rich.
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Sounds like a lack of segregation of duties to me;)

I understand where you're coming from. You must admit though, corporate goals on a huge scale are often farther from what benefits people than corporate goals on a small scale. Theres a disconnect between giant corporations and people that cannot be sustained in the very long term.
 
atlas said:
Oh? Americans aren't responsible for the aggressive measures our government takes to secure oil reserves? Every other car on the road that I see is occupied by one person, and is over a ton of aluminum and steel that gets under 20 miles per gallon.

Do Americans have anybody but themselves to blame for our trade defecit and the precarious position national banks of other countries have us in? No, we don't. We buy new cars ever 5 years, new TVs every three years, and new cell phones every 8 months. We don't save money, we eat shitty food and don't stay fit. We spend money we don't have on things we don't need. We have almost totally abdicated our roles as citizens, and become "consumers".


No buddy, we have nobody to blame but ourselves. :)
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Its not that simple, though. Is the "smart shopper" to blame for being unfit from eating cheaper food loaded with fat and sodium and high fructose corn syrup? I can guarantee that a corporation made a bundle making it that way.

Is the tragically underpaid and overworked average American to blame that his aging hunk-a-junk gas guzzler is all too often the only way to get around? I can guarantee that some corporattions make alot of money on all that gas too, likely the same ones that like to line our legislators pockets to keep it that way.

And maybe we do buy too many new computers and televisions and toaster ovens, but there's more than a few corporations making those things so shitty that they just simply don't last very long at all, and yet still so cheap that any kind of repair is unheard of, at least for someone trying to save money, or just trying to make ends meet since at the end of the day the only thing left to motivate the tragically overworked and underpaid consumer may just be to be able to drink a ice cold Miller®, eat a PopTart®, and kick back and watch the Tonight Show®.

Of course, then some of us prefer to smoke a joint ant watch The Daily Show™. But then some of us are pirates*cough*patriots.
 
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