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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Yourbaker said:
I Was never antivax, became anti-covid-vax.
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I really don't see much of a distinction. Yes, covid vaccine is new, but pretty much most of the reasons people have not to take it (not all, most) are nearly identical to the reasons true antivax people won't trust any vaccine at all. Most is weird pseudo science/distrust of science, fear mongering, conspiracy, etc. Thinking that all doctors are lying about the dangers. Reluctance to listen to anyone other than their own "research". Not much difference in my eyes.
 
@Negentropic

There are pretty significant differences, really.

1) The COVID vaccines are killing people that are not vulnerable to the virus.

2) The vaccines are mandatory for all adults who want to continue taking part in society, despite healthy adults not being at risk of death.

3) The vaccines were fast-tracked through typical safety regulations.

4) They want us to keep getting jabbed indefinitely, which is unheard of for a mandatory vaccination. (I had three jabs in nine months and I will be due for another in a couple of months if I want to keep my job.)
 
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I see it differently

1. Debatable, maybe a couple dozen out of billions. Lack of evidence. Over a dozen people die from using soda vending machines every year, doesn't make them dangerous.
2. Other vaccines are also mandatory for various things. Look at public schools and the military.
3. this isn't proof they aren't effective or safe, in the face of a massive pandemic it NEEDED to be rushed, bureaucratic legal pharma bullshit would have killed millions more
4. I agree with the mandates until covid goes away, they are also being challenged and defeated in courts, the mandates clearly won't be forever and people who are vulnerable get exceptions

we just look at all this stuff differently right

but ultimately in my eyes the sentiment is the same, distrust of science, government and doctors
 
(1) Come on, dude. Seriously. People are being forced to get injected with something that might kill them but the odds are low enough they shouldn't care?

(2) It's not mandatory to be in the military. As for school, I said adults.

(3) You can justify fast-tracking, that's fine. Doesn't change the fact that people have legitimate reasons to be hesitant about being jabbed.

(4) I don't care if you agree with them. You said anti-vaxxers are the same as COVID anti-vaxxers. I'm just pointing out there are - clearly - massive differences.

I am anti-vax (for COVID). I am not anti-vax for my kid's jabs.

I see it differently
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we just look at all this stuff differently right
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Sure, this is a discussion forum and we see things differently.

That's why I'm discussing it with you.
 
we're both deaf to each other, the fatal flaw in these threads nobody will budge one bit from their stance. For me, the math just makes sense to get vaccinated and I have not seen proof of any real harm other than a few rare isolated cases.

I think it's the government's job to take public health into consideration over complete personal freedom. They've always done that since the beginning of time really. Nothing new in my eyes, and is the correct thing to do IMO.


but I restate my main point, the sentiment is basically the same in all of the anti-vax world, distrust of various institutions and science/government, regardless of details, vague point but it's still a point and thats the connection I'm making
 
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I'm not deaf. You are literally talking to someone who has shifted their stance.

There has been extraordinary harm caused by mandates and lock-downs. Immeasurable. We will never know how much harm we caused. As for vaccines, vulnerable people should be vaccinated against omicron. Nobody else unless they opt in. Vulnerable people shouldn't be forced either.

Omicron is a different virus. The vaccines don't prevent spread effectively and the virus isn't dangerous.

You said general (non COVID) anti vaxxers quote pseudo science. I don't think COVID anti vaxxers need to do that. We can quote actual science.

Nobody on the pro-vax side is willing to define how dangerous something needs to be to justify jabbing people against their will and shutting down society. If you don't want to keep your fingers in your ears and you want a real discussion, let's have one.

I am not deaf.

I am listening.
 
alasdairm said:
you made a prediction and it was false. it's ok to to admit you were wrong.

:)

alasdair
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yea im not exactly nostradomas....i was being sarcastic - i do that sometimes

but if you want me to say i was wrong, ok i was wrong - you got me


i do notice that you get quite uptight whenever i or anybody else posts anything that's anti-communist/anti-left...

i wouldn't be wrong there would i

:)
 
that seems like a pretty vague generalisation.

people posting anti-communist or anti-left posts says absolutely nothing to me or about me so it doesn't really bother me.

it does bother me when people make claims they can't or won't substantiate but if you characterize my asking for substantiation as my being 'uptight' then i'd disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

alasdair
 
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alasdairm said:
that seems like a pretty vague generalisation.

people posting anti-communist or anti-left posts says absolutely nothing to me or about me so it doesn't really bother me.

it does bother me when people make claims they can't or won't substantiate but if you characterize my asking for substantiation as my being 'uptight' then i'd disagree but you're entitled to your opinion.

alasdair
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Ok - i understand

sorry it bothers you

:)
 
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