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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

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Buzz Lightbeer said:
To me it all seems beyond repair, in most of the Western world at least.
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None of these fundamentally human obstacles will be overcome within our lifetime IMO, but never say never.

Perhaps one day there will be no Western world.

Imagine all the people living in a jacuzzi full of drugs... or whatever Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov said.
 
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I agree with what a lot of people are saying on both sides now. I'm getting more centred with my political stance on COVID. I find this is always the case with me, after a certain amount of time. I start out with a passionate belief - somewhere out in deep space - then, inevitably, I start orbiting closer and closer to reality.

The vaccines did make sense with delta, but they don't make sense now. The Australian government just announced they're reducing the wait time for boosters to three months. What's next? Two months?

I had my booster less than six months after my second shot. All in all, I had three shots in a bit less than nine months. That's a shot every three months, but I still got COVID and it was unpleasant. My wife (10 years younger than me) also got it and so did my 3 year old daughter.

Jabbing a large percent of the population is probably going to reduce hospital admissions and deaths somewhat, but those worried about hospital admission and death should be able to make up their own mind.

Buzz Lightbeer said:
a large portion of the country/world still strongly believes that vaccines are the only way out, so this is the people they target
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I disagree with you here. I'm not targeting anti-vaxxers. I don't care if they don't want to get vaccinated. What I don't like is people blatantly spreading misinformation. The disturbing thing about anti-vaxxers is the same thing that disturbs me (and others) about flat earthers and election deniers.

I'd feel more comfortable if people didn't inexplicably revert to NPC status when they are confronted with something that does not compute. It isn't good for my mental health. I start wondering whether or not this is all a dream.

This phenomenon isn't limited to conspiracy theorists. Pretty much everybody seems to have a topic or two they can't discuss. The SJW movement is doing a good job of shutting down discussions left right and centre... only to replace them with cringe worthy "discussions" that nobody (including the participants) truly want to partake in.

It isn't a left/right thing, though. Both sides have massive blind spots. None of us are seeing things clearly. If I'm honest with myself, I have to assume that includes me as much as it does anyone else.

We are all zombies.

I am a zombie.
 
Yeah, that's allowed.

Despite pushing vaccines on everyone like crazy, initially the wait time for boosters was strictly six months unless you had a damn good reason. They also disposed of a shit load of AstraZeneca shots for no good reason. I would have happily had one of those instead of the Pfizer booster.

Assuming we have adequate supply, people should be able to have boosters whenever they want... assuming the vaccines are safe.
 
So you aren't penalized if you stop getting shots, and you'll maintain all of your rights if you refuse boosters? I ask because I thought Australia was getting serious about penalizing people who don't get boosters.
 
There is currently no law about boosters but there will be soon which makes no sense because boosters don't do anything. The governments of the world need to stop and re-assess the threat of omicron.
 
birdup said:
I agree with what a lot of people are saying on both sides now. I'm getting more centred with my political stance on COVID. I find this is always the case with me, after a certain amount of time. I start out with a passionate belief - somewhere out in deep space - then, inevitably, I start orbiting closer and closer to reality.

The vaccines did make sense with delta, but they don't make sense now. The Australian government just announced they're reducing the wait time for boosters to three months. What's next? Two months?

I had my booster less than six months after my second shot. All in all, I had three shots in a bit less than nine months. That's a shot every three months, but I still got COVID and it was unpleasant. My wife (10 years younger than me) also got it and so did my 3 year old daughter.

Jabbing a large percent of the population is probably going to reduce hospital admissions and deaths somewhat, but those worried about hospital admission and death should be able to make up their own mind.



I disagree with you here. I'm not targeting anti-vaxxers. I don't care if they don't want to get vaccinated. What I don't like is people blatantly spreading misinformation. The disturbing thing about anti-vaxxers is the same thing that disturbs me (and others) about flat earthers and election deniers.

I'd feel more comfortable if people didn't inexplicably revert to NPC status when they are confronted with something that does not compute. It isn't good for my mental health. I start wondering whether or not this is all a dream.

This phenomenon isn't limited to conspiracy theorists. Pretty much everybody seems to have a topic or two they can't discuss. The SJW movement is doing a good job of shutting down discussions left right and centre... only to replace them with cringe worthy "discussions" that nobody (including the participants) truly want to partake in.

It isn't a left/right thing, though. Both sides have massive blind spots. None of us are seeing things clearly. If I'm honest with myself, I have to assume that includes me as much as it does anyone else.

We are all zombies.

I am a zombie.
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The reason vaccines don't make as much sense anymore is because the virus is so much different now than it was when the vaccines were developed. This is what I've been saying for a while now. We fucked around for way too long and allowed it to get more and more efficient.

I think the Biden administration screwed up and just assumed that people would fall in line. At the first sign of vaccine hesitancy I would have pushed for some kind of financial incentive. A tax break or another check or something. That's the language conservatives speak. They may deny it to others but the vast majority would've swallowed their pride and got the shot.
 
mal3volent said:
The reason vaccines don't make as much sense anymore is because the virus is so much different now than it was when the vaccines were developed. This is what I've been saying for a while now. We fucked around for way too long and allowed it to get more and more efficient.
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Do you think that if 100% of the population got shots all on the same day that Covid would of ended? If it was something that doesn't rapidly mutate I would probably answer yes, but it's a coronavirus that rapidly mutates like influenzas and colds. We still don't have effective vaccines for either of those because they rapidly mutate. Imo, we simply don't have the technology to create a highly efficacious vaccine for covids.
 
you can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission

so even if you vaccinated everybody 100% all at once exactly a year ago, we'd still be in the same boat

funny that some people don't understand that... :shrug:
 
Electrum1 said:
Do you think that if 100% of the population got shots all on the same day that Covid would of ended?
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I think even if 75% would've gotten vaccinated we could have gotten a handle on it enough that the virus would've starved and slowly weakened. Instead we've been feeding it fresh bodies for two years.

Mr. Krinkle said:
you can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a vaccine that doesn't stop transmission

so even if you vaccinated everybody 100% all at once exactly a year ago, we'd still be in the same boat

funny that some people don't understand that... :shrug:
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it's not a matter of understanding it's us going back and forth trying to rewrite history about what could have happened. Even if you prove this vaccine doesn't prevent transmission now doesn't mean it wouldn't have two or three variants ago.
 
mal3volent said:
it's not a matter of understanding it's us going back and forth trying to rewrite history about what could have happened. Even if you prove this vaccine doesn't prevent transmission now doesn't mean it wouldn't have two or three variants ago.
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they became obsolete quicker than anybody would've imagined....

and in 2 months, they'll have the omicron variant vaccine ready and omicron will be long gone....can't wait to hear the sales pitch on that :bs:
 
Yeah, we don't know what would have happened if the world magically vaccinated everyone much faster than we struggled to do so. I don't think it's a realistic situation. We made a massive global effort. It cost a lot of money. Our failure isn't on the shoulders of the Biden administration or the Dan Andrew's government or anyone else. Some countries did a bit better than others but even Australia has failed despite massive sacrifices.

mal3volent said:
I think even if 75% would've gotten vaccinated we could have gotten a handle on it enough that the virus would've starved and slowly weakened.
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75% of what demographic? The entire population of the world, including children? That was never going to happen in two years.

We are focusing too much on vaccines as a solution and blaming too much on people who didn't get vaccines. It's not scientific to blame people who didn't get vaccinated unless you can mathematically indicate why.

The numbers in Victoria were around 1000+ per day before Omicron despite 90+% of adults vaccinated which is probably around 75% of the country including kids... and that was delta.

Now we are at 30,000+ per day with Omicron despite 95+% of adults vaccinated.
 
birdup said:
Who is talking about how great vaccines are?
Who believes all governments are ethical?
Who is saying big pharma protects people?
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my baker is a cannibal but those meat buns smell sooooo good

birdup said:
75% of what demographic? The entire population of the world, including children? That was never going to happen in two years.

We are focusing too much on vaccines as a solution and blaming too much on people who didn't get vaccines. It's not scientific to blame people who didn't get vaccinated unless you can mathematically indicate why.
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exactly. there were good reasons why democracy and justice evolved to move slowly. people understood that it takes time to get things right. carpenters even preach this - measure twice to cut once.

when came covid, there was no time allowed, only a massive overreaction that fueled panic and desperation. naturally, things were gotten wrong.

people, mainly politicians and other public servants, got helmet fire. they were so scared of taking the blame for anyone dying of the COVID that they said let's kill them with the science.

who would notice, right? the vaccines gave everyone a false sense of security, after believing that the virus itself was much more lethal than it actually was, and the victims of the medicine could just be marginalized and censored, as they were.

i watched so many preach passionately about the common good and what's good for society when they were the most apt to LEAP off the sidewalk into the street rather than risk passing within a meter to another human outdoors.

doesn't it make you wonder if they actually gave a shit about society?
 
Derschieber said:
I hope you're ok. What will you do if it's one of the fangled covid thingies ? How long before you learn the test results?
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Thanks! It seems it was just a cold though, had a PCR and a couple LFTs to check. Though given how many times I've been infected with the Corvids and how many thousands of vaccine boosters I've had, who knows what the fuck is living in my body at this point
 
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