Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Jabberwocky]

I guess my opinion of who the Elites are, is they are the people who control resources. Information pipelines, money creation, energy, food, entertainment industry, important technologies etc. Controlling the flows of those things can influence large populations, or cripple entire nations. Polititions who create laws I think I also see as elites. I don't know about billionaires being elites by simply having billions of dollars, since polititions have the power to start massively taxing their wealth=(power) resulting in less power for the billionaire. I like this idea of trying to define elites, will be thinking about this a lot more now.

I think that is a reasonable definition and definitely one I’d tend to agree with. However, most of my academic colleagues would dispute it and they focus on the idea (developed significantly by French philosopher Michel Foucault) that power has so central source or authority but is pervasive and everywhere embedded in language and discourse so that it controls the way we can even see the world, let alone interpret it.

In that view, basically we are all moronic sheep, who \are incapable of thinking outside the values that evolved to define all the ways we perceive and discuss our post-colonial, capitalist society. It makes us perceive all the injustice and inequality and structural limitations on people simply as the natural way of things.

I’m not a true believer in this theory but it does make one think more critically about why people believe some things are ‘good’ and others ‘bad’ about other people’s choices and behaviour.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

As @chinup is so fond of saying "I follow the science"

Well science it is, official vaccine data released & collected by the people who made the mRNA.

Have a nice science read of the science folks.

Breaking News: Pfizer’s Own Stats: 1200+/40,000 Trial Participants Dead | Interview with Dr. Nagase

Dr. Daniel Nagase graduated from Dalhousie Medical School in 2004, is a registered member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Alberta where he has been a doctor for over 15 years, an emergenc

rumble.com

 

[Ganjcat]

This is true. I am happy to admit that a whole bunch of stuff people have posted that eventually looked like an unfounded conspiracy theory initially made make take notice because it was prima facie plausible if you are a sceptical person (which I am). Including this one. But ultimately almost everything falls over if you take a look at the source data that people claim support the claim.

What I don’t understand though is why some people (not BL members - but the doctors and other professionals that they quote) who should know better based on their training and education seem to deliberately claim a data set proves something that it absolutely does not. It’s a real thing. These rebel or iconoclastic or sceptical ‘medical professionals’ or ‘scientists’ are waving data sets around to claim stuff this an outright lie in many cases. But no one calls ‘bullshit’ (well, except you).

Because those doctors would probably lost their jobs and reputation otherwise it's not hard to work out

 

[Jabberwocky]

Because those doctors would probably lost their jobs and reputation otherwise it's not hard to work out

I think you misunderstand me. I talking about anti-vax ‘scientific experts’ who take (say) CDC data on adverse events and construct a narrative guiding people to the conclusion that every single data point in that database represents a serious side-effect resulting from vaccination. Or take an internal Pfizer document detailing post-trials incident reporting from the whole world and claim that an absurdly number of people died in the actual trials (when the deaths in that document relate to tens of millions of million of doses given - not the 5,000 doses or whatever it was given in the trials.

Both these examples are drawn from BL threads recently in which a number of people got highly agitated by what the ‘medical experts’/jokers claimed to prove. Whereas about 5 minutes looking at the nature of the data in both cases made it clear that no such thing had been proven - in fact quite the opposite really.

So I’m talking about freelance fear-monger it ‘medical experts’ who produce websites and online newsletters. Not actual people with serious jobs in science and the reputations they require.

 

[Jabberwocky]

As @chinup is so fond of saying "I follow the science"

Well science it is, official vaccine data released & collected by the people who made the mRNA.

Have a nice science read of the science folks.

Breaking News: Pfizer’s Own Stats: 1200+/40,000 Trial Participants Dead | Interview with Dr. Nagase

Dr. Daniel Nagase graduated from Dalhousie Medical School in 2004, is a registered member of the College of Physicians and Surgeons in Alberta where he has been a doctor for over 15 years, an emergenc

rumble.com

old news ZB. tell me the sample size that is from.

i've already asked the same to people on your side.... they handwaved and said that the sample size is now irrelevant because blah blah blah (i.e. they know that when you estimate this as a proportion, it is fucking tiny, orders of magnitude smaller than adverse events due to covid). this was despite the sample size and demographics being central to whether or not the info they posted is of concern or not.

your source is purposely misleading. the 40k is adverse reactions. fact check yourself in future before posting please.

 

[Foreigner]

So even when you HAVE the evidence... you refuse to show us.... because.... why? "you were talking to someone else"???? what is this, 5th grade recess?

I didn't even ask you if you understood the papers, I was asking you what their significance was....

defensive much?

LMAO

merry christmas you sad, strange, weird motherfuckers

You've trolled this thread hardcore and dismissed all prior evidence presented to you. Obvious troll is obvious, and I won't spend valuable time and energy on you. If you lack the expertise to read the papers, then go find someone who cares.

Welcome to my ignore list, troll.

 

[Foreigner]

You.know: there’s a name for this type of personality disorder/mental state/behavior which escapes me now. Telling people to go away and to fuck off when called out or when disagreeing with your narrative,

I don't waste time on trolls, especially when evidence was presented and still dismissed.

I posted links. People are free to disagree, but they have to say how, and refute posted evidence. That didn't happen.

You can make fun of my mental state all you like but it doesn't refute the links I posted. Try again.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You've trolled this thread hardcore and dismissed all prior evidence presented to you.

I dismiss evidence with no sources, or evidence that can or already has been debunked. I've brought up source credibility many times.

Welcome to my ignore list, troll.

cya

there is obvious sarcasm in some of my messages, but I'm not trolling you

if you post some evidence, it needs to come from more than one random internet source with no other references

I trust major media more than 1 little dude's weird website video... right?

 

[Foreigner]

did you read the paper?

do it before telling me i'm too lazy to look. it seems you don't read the sources you cite. mostly it covers ADE in vitro and following infection with other coronaviruses, though vaccines are mentioned, nothing definitive is stated, and on the whole they suggest the vaccines do not induce ADE.

a few quotes:

"Safety concerns for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines were initially fuelled by mouse studies.... Importantly, immunopathology was not observed in challenged mice following the passive transfer of nucleocapsid-specific immune serum56, confirming that the enhanced disease could not be replicated using the serum volumes transferred."

"These data suggest that human immunization strategies for SARS-CoV-2 that elicit high neutralizing antibody titres have a high chance of success with minimal risk of ADE."

"Evidence for vaccine-induced ADE in animal models of SARS-CoV is conflicting, and raises potential safety concerns.... SARS-CoV immunization studies in animal models have thus produced results that vary greatly in terms of protective efficacy, immunopathology and potential ADE, depending on the vaccine strategy employed" - note sars not covid



you are an alternative medicine practitioner, you clearly don't have the expertise to read them. i don't understand the full details of the immunology but i have a sufficient understanding to know they do not support your claims. importantly i have a network of talented molecular biologists who i can ask when i really need to know something, so i have an avenue to educate myself that is not open to many.

i haven't looked at the others cos your first paper did not back up your claims so i suspect they don't, they are not peer reviewed, and being christmas mornng, i really don't have the time.

were ADE happening, we would be seeing clinical data showing it by now. we are not. hospitalisations and death rates were way down in comparison to case numbers, long before omicron (where there is more and more evidence of lower virulence, unlike delta) came along. therefore it is unlikely to be happening.

I'm a science major, so I do have the expertise. If you've ignored my other links, then I don't have time for you. Ciao.

 

[Foreigner]

I dismiss evidence with no sources, or evidence that can or already has been debunked. I've brought up source credibility many times.


cya

there is obvious sarcasm in some of my messages, but I'm not trolling you

I posted sources, you didn't debunk them, you just said they're above your reading level. Not my problem. Go find an expert who will cater to your narrow mindedness.

Thanks for playing troll. Welcome to my ignore, now.

 

[Foreigner]

My cousin dropped dead during hockey practice recently. He was 20. No prior health conditions, only change in his status was that he got a booster shot.

The "follow the science" types can feign ignorance all they want, but the writing is on the wall. The scientific institutions are being corrupted via the regulatory bodies, who themselves have been infiltrated by big corporate interests.

There will be justice for this. I won't forget, neither will my family. A lot of people are being wronged and the the truth WILL come out.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I posted sources, you didn't debunk them

Jesus man... some were debunked, others were labeled pure speculation.

I'll be honest, I didn't have time to read your list I was at work and forgot, my bad. But I did glance over it and I'll even give you credit, there probably are some legitimate points in there, but once you start talking about vaccines killing people and other extreme beliefs I just discount it all.

If you can show me some proof that vaccines are actually seriously harmful, I will bow down to you. But every "evidence" ANYONE has posted on BL showing vaccines hurt people has been demonstrably disproven as cherrypicked manipulation of real data... and I don't mean some random fucking personal anecdotal evidence off the internet

I'm not trolling anyone, but we have been spinning tires on this and I haven't seen anything "new" posted from the other side in months

 

[Deleted member 521610]

more people close me to now in coma from the fucking booster shot. This shit can't be covered up any longer this is the greatest medical crime in human history we are living right now. And guess what these cunts have mandated getting boosters so i have take a roll of the dice on my life in a few months if i want to acutally have a fucking job or live in society. Fuck that im living in the forest off grid start my own fucking commune till society collapses.

Over 1000+ covid vaccine deaths in south korea massive protests in busan with massive amounts of people sharing their stories of realtives dying from the fucking depopulation shots

 

[Jabberwocky]

more people close me to now in coma from the fucking booster shot.

wow, you should document this, you could be the journalist who breaks the story man!!!

grab your camera and go visit them!! INVESTIGATE THIS!!! :O

media will pay $$$ for video of coma people

 

[Jabberwocky]

Hmmm....

did you read the paper?

i quote:

"By comparison, both vaccines showed higher, longer-lasting protection against Delta. The negative estimates in the final period arguably suggest different behaviour and/or exposure patterns in the vaccinated and unvaccinated cohorts causing underestimation of the VE. This was likely the result of Omicron spreading rapidly initially through single (super-spreading) events causing many infections among young, vaccinated individuals."

they are covering their asses while throwing a firebomb. their data might be correct but at 5 pages, no peer review and extremely scant methods- notably nothing regarding the outcomes of unvaccinated individuals- its not really compelling. they have a reasonable sample size but i think i'll hold on a little while before losing my shit over it, but then, i don't have to care cos it isn't one of the only papers that suggests evidence for my position.

I'm a science major, so I do have the expertise. If you've ignored my other links, then I don't have time for you. Ciao.

if you repeatedly post links to things that confirm the opposite of your position, show you to have absolutely no comprehension of the underlying science, are rude, and your other links are not even peer reviewed, then i think its reasonable not to follow them.

i see you posted nothing regarding the fact that the first paper you posted states the complete opposite of your own conclusion.

i'm a science PhD, have done multiple postdocs within the life sciences, and have a permanent research position. i know based on my own experience that knowledge i got 10 years ago is out of date. if you aren't currently working in a related field (i know you're not) then your background is probably out of date, and you've shown yourself to be incapable of reading source material correctly, so i don't see how you can be up to date.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

wow, you should document this, you could be the journalist who breaks the story man!!!

grab your camera and go visit them!! INVESTIGATE THIS!!! :O

media will pay $$$ for video of coma people

the media is controlled and you cant seem to realize that. The matrix controls the mind of the masses

 

[Jabberwocky]

@Foreigner Are you really a science major? What specifically did you major in...?

the media is controlled and you cant seem to realize that. The matrix controls the mind of the masses

It's obviously controlled... it's a privatized corporate industry...

are you suggesting the places you get your info from aren't controlled by a singular person's interests either? then who wrote the article or made the video?

Big media usually all work with the same information, then report on it their own way. so you're getting a collective opinion with different facets

A youtube video was made on someone's computer, possibly in their dark basement.

I trust society isn't absolutely corrupt and there is still truth out there.... more than some dude making a video with his "doctor" friend and speculating on everything, sewing FUD for clicks and views

 

[Deleted member 521610]

4 billion people are going to get wiped off the planet by 2050 due to these fucking so called "sciencetists"

 

[AutoTripper]

4 billion people are going to get wiped off the planet by 2050 due to these fucking so called "sciencetists"

I saw it as 5 bil.

 

[Jabberwocky]

rofl, man they really have you guys don't they?

yeah, it's VERY realistic we might lose 4 billion by 2050, but it would be do to things like economic collapse, global warming, nuclear holocaust and/or overpopulation.

but not from covid vaccines rofl