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the vax just killed somebody very close to me. Fuck this bullshit and all you vaxed fucking nazis.
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Sorry to hear that, TripSitter. I hope we will get to see justice to the conspirators before long. Stay strong.
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TripSitterNZ said:
Which vax? How old are they?
Vaccines have killed about three people in NZ, so it should be on the news.
Being vaccinated doesn't make you a Nazi. You are vaccinated.
Let's not start the Nazi/commie stuff again, okay?
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49 years old pzfier.
Don't hold your breath.
I was running a small bakery for a new owner when the vaccines first dropped, one of the part time employees worked as a support person for ambulance crews in some way and was an early recipient. Her friend picked her up early from work because they worked together at the other job, he friend had a severe headache after the vaccine but went home and died before the end of the week from blood clots. It was not officially attributed to the vaccine and never made the news.
My part time co worker had her second jab scheduled already and was having panic attacks before going.
Stuff you think should make the news often gets filtered out at family requests that occasionally are listened to by media. When bad shit happens to your family its often better not to come under the media spot light at the same time. Because our society is attempting to normalize vaccinations, stories about reasons not to do this will just vanish.
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But, but....it's so fucking
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@Yourbaker @TripSitterNZ
So, I've hit a snag with your logic. Many snags, in fact.
1. Neither of you are going to report these vaccine deaths, but the anti-vaxxers insist that adverse reactions are being under-reported because of some shady conspiracy? It seems to me that it either has to be one way or the other. You can't have your cake and eat it to. If it was me - and someone close to me died AND I was super anti-vax - I'd definitely report it.
2. The anonymity thing makes no sense. They don't say people's names in the paper. They just say "a woman in her 40s died in Auckland".
3. All deaths within x number of days of receiving a vaccine are initially recorded as vaccine deaths. This is why some countries (like the US) appear to have a disproportionate number of vaccine deaths. If you get jabbed in the US then die in a plane crash, that is initially flagged as a potential adverse reaction. They then examine each case to determine whether or not the vaccine actually caused the death. My point is - as it pertains to NZ - you don't need to report vaccine deaths.
4. Let's assume (3) is wrong, just for the sake of discussion. Let's say you have to personally report vaccine deaths and some people chose not to to avoid the spotlight. Like I said, this makes no sense... see (2). But let's assume (2) is also wrong and they publish all your personal details, without your permission, when you die. Logically this would happen with everything, right? So - according to your logic - people are dying at much higher rates from everything.
So, I've hit a snag with your logic. Many snags, in fact.
1. Neither of you are going to report these vaccine deaths, but the anti-vaxxers insist that adverse reactions are being under-reported because of some shady conspiracy? It seems to me that it either has to be one way or the other. You can't have your cake and eat it to. If it was me - and someone close to me died AND I was super anti-vax - I'd definitely report it.
2. The anonymity thing makes no sense. They don't say people's names in the paper. They just say "a woman in her 40s died in Auckland".
3. All deaths within x number of days of receiving a vaccine are initially recorded as vaccine deaths. This is why some countries (like the US) appear to have a disproportionate number of vaccine deaths. If you get jabbed in the US then die in a plane crash, that is initially flagged as a potential adverse reaction. They then examine each case to determine whether or not the vaccine actually caused the death. My point is - as it pertains to NZ - you don't need to report vaccine deaths.
4. Let's assume (3) is wrong, just for the sake of discussion. Let's say you have to personally report vaccine deaths and some people chose not to to avoid the spotlight. Like I said, this makes no sense... see (2). But let's assume (2) is also wrong and they publish all your personal details, without your permission, when you die. Logically this would happen with everything, right? So - according to your logic - people are dying at much higher rates from everything.
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Can't find anything about this in the news.
Male or female?
Deleted member 521610
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no shit they wont put in the news the government is covering up hundreds of deaths unless you put it out there yourself and they have to admit it
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But you guys specifically stated that you don't want to put it out there yourself? If I was you, I would contact the news. The government is not the news. The news like fucking the government. Give them a call. I will contact them for you, if you like.
What did the coroner/doctors/paramedics conclude was the cause of death? Are they all in on it, too? People I know who study to be doctors are good people that want to help others. I still don't understand what the motive is?
What did the coroner/doctors/paramedics conclude was the cause of death? Are they all in on it, too? People I know who study to be doctors are good people that want to help others. I still don't understand what the motive is?
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Illyria99 said:
It was funny at first, but it got old pretty quickly.
As for truth: if vaxxers are Nazis, explain Israel.
Is Israel now the biggest Nazi country in the world?
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First off I'm only replying to this because you tagged me.
Number 1. Does not make sense in the english language.
Try and write it so it says what you mean, it seems like you have a conclusion and premise but the connection looks like a widget.
Number 2. I don't care about anomalies, my point was a person I barely knew died within a week of her first vaccine and she was one of 2 people I knew who got early vaccines. This did not boost my confidence at all. Most deaths don't even make the paper in Canada. I doubt I could find obituaries for 1/2 the people I know who have died. Regardless of how they died. Maybe there are laws about telling people who died in Australia.
Number 3. Yeah, let's just say this is make believe.
Number 4. Again on death, maybe in some countries there is a public death reporting system that gives details but here your personal information even after death is kept private. In some case media may dissect anyones life and tell the world, but that's just what they do for money.
Right now the current vaccines don't have much value at all, people are still catching and transmitting delta to easily to prevent it so it will continue.
The new Omicron will probably require another full round of vaccine development. Here's hoping it isnt worse or doesnt mutate worse.
We have done the wrong thing as is human practice in every crisis in world history.
The big question now is how fast can our leaders learn, turn around and undo the mistakes that will cripple us vs save us.
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New Zealand links death to Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: ‘it remains safer to be vaccinated’
Health authorities in New Zealand have said they believe a 26-year-old man’s death is connected to a side effect from Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine.A preliminary postmortem a…
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but NZ still says it's safe
Jabberwocky
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i am fucking ill one hour before my booster. this is some insane time travelling shit pulled by these vaccine companies.
anyway i'm sure if whatever is up with me kills me it will reported as a vaccine death, but in sources only available to anti vaxxers, who won't care about my death because i was physically weak and therefore don't matter, except when i suddenly fit their narrative, so do matter.
going to hopefully resume my break from this thread now though i feel bad for @birdup fighting alone, its clear that nothing new is being put forward by the other side so there's nothing i can say that i haven't said before.
anyway i'm sure if whatever is up with me kills me it will reported as a vaccine death, but in sources only available to anti vaxxers, who won't care about my death because i was physically weak and therefore don't matter, except when i suddenly fit their narrative, so do matter.
going to hopefully resume my break from this thread now though i feel bad for @birdup fighting alone, its clear that nothing new is being put forward by the other side so there's nothing i can say that i haven't said before.
The picture unfolding in the UK at the moment is interesting to look at.
The number of Omicron-driven infections is sobering and going stratospheric (as in NYC), but most people who've had a vaccine are seemingly experiencing (mostly) rather mild cold-like symptoms. The only confirmed omicron death so far was from an unvaccinated person.
Whether the break with hospitalizations and deaths is due to widespread vaccine uptake, a weakening of the virus itself, more testing, or because the most vulnerable were already ill/died earlier in the pandemic is obviously still tbc but, at least, offers a sliver of light that this might be the beginning of the end.
The number of Omicron-driven infections is sobering and going stratospheric (as in NYC), but most people who've had a vaccine are seemingly experiencing (mostly) rather mild cold-like symptoms. The only confirmed omicron death so far was from an unvaccinated person.
Whether the break with hospitalizations and deaths is due to widespread vaccine uptake, a weakening of the virus itself, more testing, or because the most vulnerable were already ill/died earlier in the pandemic is obviously still tbc but, at least, offers a sliver of light that this might be the beginning of the end.
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so you're sick and you're going to get another shot and you're thinking you might die and they'll say you died from the vaccine? is that the story?
what do you mean by ill? like a cold?
maybe i can help you out
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the more transmissible the less pathogenic
we should be celebrating
we should be celebrating
Sorry to hear you are sick, maybe its just a flu. Wouldn't that be a lucky break.
Often the human body gets as sick as it 'thinks' it should. It's psychological, and works exactly like placebos, it is amazing but knowing you are immune to a virus will make your experience 10% less difficult on average even if you have no immunity at all.
A couple things you could consider on your Break would be to stop being combative toward those of us who do excellent math and can see lies in the media. We are using this platform to express this to others. Not to just believe us wholesale but to stop and not believe the narrative being offered as it does not fit the math or reality.
My objective here is make people do some math on their own and compare some evidence. I won't quote other people writting here because making you go look for yourself is far better and far more educational for you, and anyone else who reads here.
Being slurred at with terms like anti-vaxxer constantly when my position has never for a second been anti-vax.
Take a break, do some research about what is happening and come back healthy and perhaps less arrogantly confrontational.
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hopstilzations always lag behind. Its way to early to say.
birdup
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Sorry about that.
Here it is in Icelandic:
I said:
Yourbaker said:
"All reports of adverse events following immunization received by Health Canada and PHAC are included in this report, regardless of whether they have been linked to the vaccines."COVID-19 vaccine safety: Report on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca
Information about any adverse events following immunization (AEFI) that individuals have reported after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Canada. These adverse events are not necessarily related to the vaccine.health-infobase.canada.ca
Skorpio and chinup and myself and others have provided links to the VAERS website which very specifically says that's what they do. They also do it in Australia. I haven't checked every country in the world, but it also appears they do it in Canada which doesn't surprise me.
Show me the news articles in Canada naming people who died from vaccines.
As for the efficacy of the vaccines versus delta/omicron. They were very effective against delta. I'm not convinced with omicron.
What maths?
You guys refuse to engage with numbers in a meaningful way. You cherry pick numbers and blatantly ignore responses from anyone that challenges your perspective. The VAERS thing is a good example.
Fucking lol. Even when they work they aren't really working. Amazing. Can you show me the maths that lead you conclude 10%? (Hint: you can't.)
Yourbaker said:
It's not a slur. You clearly don't like the vaccines. When did being anti something become a slur? It's accurate, like flat-earthers. I'm not going to apologize to flat-earthers because it's insulting to accurately describe who they are.