I don't need any more data. We know that anyone under the age of 60 is at virtually no risk from covid. I'm fit and healthy, I'd rather contract the virus than take a jibjab because I trust nature and my body more.
Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!
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Fire&Water
Pumpkin King
... arent you supposed to stand on your head when you do that?@birdup
birdup
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My mother is over 60 and has a compromised immune system. The main reason I got the booster, I think, was to protect her... Beyond that, though, I want Australia to beat this virus without losing hundreds of thousands of people in the process. People who are over 60 are still people. Some of them went to war for me. This is the least I can do.
But we know you can still catch and transmit even if you are jabbed, because these jabs do not work like traditional vaccines that inoculate. If anything what people should do in your position is what I did (I have a parent who is 70+, is classed as high-risk too btw), and that is to be as healthy as you can be (diet, exercise, top mineral/vit levels) so that if you do encounter something you get over it very quickly and don't become a factory for replication. I haven't had so much as a sniffle since the start, despite no jabs, no mask, no hand sanitizing, and being in close contact with someone regularly who themselves is in close contact with cases (children) daily!
birdup
Bluelight Crew
Vaccines reduce the odds of transmitting the virus significantly.
It's not realistic to expect a large populous to suddenly become healthy. Bad habits can take years to break. I do agree people should be healthier. Obesity is a big problem in Australia. So-called "fat shaming" is absolutely insane. KFC should refuse to serve obese people. If they're going to put warnings on cigarettes, they should put warnings on Big Macs too.
Fat people don't deserve to die.
Being fat costs taxpayers money. Smoking cigarettes costs taxpayers money. Not getting jabbed costs us money too.
Since you have a parent that is 70+, I'm going to assume you're in your 30s or 40s... If so, the vaccines pose a much lower risk than the virus (EDIT: according to broad demographic stats).
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It's not realistic to expect a large populous to suddenly become healthy. Bad habits can take years to break. I do agree people should be healthier. Obesity is a big problem in Australia. So-called "fat shaming" is absolutely insane. KFC should refuse to serve obese people. If they're going to put warnings on cigarettes, they should put warnings on Big Macs too.
Fat people don't deserve to die.
Being fat costs taxpayers money. Smoking cigarettes costs taxpayers money. Not getting jabbed costs us money too.
Since you have a parent that is 70+, I'm going to assume you're in your 30s or 40s... If so, the vaccines pose a much lower risk than the virus (EDIT: according to broad demographic stats).
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The year is 2023, and the Homocron variant emerges in the U.S. The gov't immediately bans all Covid vaccines and treatments, then the President declares that we must spread democracy to undemocratic nations by delivering the Homocron variant to "underprivileged" countries. By the end of 2024, all U.S. flags have been replaced by the Homocron flag, the new flag of the U.S.A.
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I hear ya....
you're kind of a dirtbag - no offense or anything - it's just who you are and how you do things
im a little more well kept - i have higher standards
birdup
Bluelight Crew
And proud of it!
I updated my signature.
I updated my signature.
Derschieber
Bluelighter
Since I became Vaxx-compliant, everything is much better. I'm no longer the social leper that I used to be. Suddenly I can understand Critical Race Theory & using queer Gender pronouns. All of a sudden, the sea-levels have risen...just like that. I no longer object to a bunch of slimy career politicians & all their apparatchik cronies spraying diarrhea into our faces whilst telling us that it's raining.
It IS raining...that's all it is. It's raining so stfu We need the rain, we need Dr Fauci and we need lots of urgent booster-shots.
The unvaxxed are just a bunch of homophobic racists hell-bent on killing us all.
It IS raining...that's all it is. It's raining so stfu We need the rain, we need Dr Fauci and we need lots of urgent booster-shots.
The unvaxxed are just a bunch of homophobic racists hell-bent on killing us all.
Derschieber
Bluelighter
Is that what Dr Fauci said?
btw...can you add my name to the list of dirt bags pls ?
birdup
Bluelight Crew
I don't know why people keep mentioning Fauci. I don't even know who he is. The world extends beyond America.
Derschieber
Bluelighter
The world extends beyond Australia. You need to get out more Possum (once you're adequately booster-jabbed)
You know who he is. Dr Fauci funded the Covid19 Factory in Wuhan. Dr Fauci is the face of Science. Dr Fauci changed the definition of "Gain of Function" on his website. Dr Fauci would never be involved with creating novel Corona viruses with gained functions over in the Wuhan lab. When you trust the science, you trust in Dr Fauci.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
Fauci isn't the face of science, simply because he's American. I've heard his name before, but I don't see why he's more important than any other scientist in the world.
You need to come up to Canada for a winter ski trip or something. Front row seats to the Fabulous Fauci Fiasco, 90% of tv in Canada is either American or restreamed American with canadian adds.
Fauci is s popular someone like beverlyhills housewives, he apparently holds patents on novel corona viruses, just some rumours and something said in one of his questioning periods.
The News guys need to supply bigger name tags and maybe do hush tone side info, like in golf or other slow sports. Those hearings were so slow turtles could die. Lots of fun yelling and camera pandering though, but here again good media coverage would edit out all the weasel talk and just jump to finger pointing and blame. That shit sells show.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
I used to live in Montreal and Toronto. I've lived in countries in five continents. American media dominates Australia too, to some extent. I don't know the name of the Australian equivalent of Fauci because I don't care who politicians decide to nominate. Trump brought all sorts of batshit people into his cabinet. I'd rather read somebody's opinion who is not in the pocket of the federal Australian government or the Victorian state government or Biden or Trump or Boris or whoever.
Anti-vaxxers keep quoting Fauci like he's Gandalf and we're all cowering Hobbits listening to his every word. I honestly don't even know who the fuck the guy is other than being some official scientist for the president.
I say fuck the president and the media.
I look at data.
The problem we've come to with this debate is: the anti-vaxxers don't believe the data... and there is nowhere to go from there other than speculation and name calling.
Anti-vaxxers keep quoting Fauci like he's Gandalf and we're all cowering Hobbits listening to his every word. I honestly don't even know who the fuck the guy is other than being some official scientist for the president.
I say fuck the president and the media.
I look at data.
The problem we've come to with this debate is: the anti-vaxxers don't believe the data... and there is nowhere to go from there other than speculation and name calling.
Derschieber
Bluelighter
When data is sourced from entities which are unrepentant, pathological liars, it is inappropriate to give your belief over to them, sheepishly, regardless of what might or might not be accurate in their present claims.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
Derschieber said:
Every country in the world consists of pathological liars?
All doctors are pathological liars?
Who do you give your belief over to?
@birdup
I actually believe the numbers, not some random set of memes on facebook. I took the time to go source hospitalization numbers from actual hospitals, compared what I could find with numbers on main stream sites and found very little variation.
It appears that at least 55% of the deaths in Canada actually occured in senior care homes. People, like my father, on death row in isolation literally dying from loneliness. A caring housekeeper/nurse/administrator clearing beds came to work despite their little headache because their either needed the money or the home was running short staffed due to covid lockdowns and restrictions causing chaos. I call these murder because even a 10 year old with half a brain could see that was exactly what must happen.
My Dad made it to christmas eve last year we got the call to confirm his test results when the whole family was nearby. They called new years eve to let us know they had "done all they could", which of course was only the nurses and doctors did, the administration was busy cleaning the knife. We had to wait 14 days to collect his body because he had Covid. He had prepaid for a large funeral home and we were only allowed 10 people for the service after we rotated through plastic lined tunnels to view my Dad. Most of his grandkids just waited outside.
The other 45% are made up mostly of seniors over 80 not in care homes in fact if you isolate over 80 it looks like 10% max (stats Canada numbers all disappeared its more like 5% but they have edited everything) 10% of Covid deaths in Canada over 2 years is 1500 a year nation wide.
Since the Vaccines appear to be below 50% against Delta and maybe a feelgood on omicron I can't see any reason to continue counting on Big Pharma. The worst part is no truths will ever be told this has become as polluted as American politics. Lies on top of lies about things that don't matter because someone will lose money.
So yes Birdup I believe the numbers, they point to a clutch for money and power by so many players at once I'd love to be an observer, but some ninny has passed a law causing me to become a participant against my will. If I must be forced to the table I will be certain to begin the removal of anyone involved in that decision without first passing it by me. I lived in a democracy when I was born and have not moved or voted for dictatorship or any other totalitarian authority. They have assumed control of my Government and probably yours too.
There is a Virus, it is bad on elderly, if yours are still alive don't let the death camps take them.
I actually believe the numbers, not some random set of memes on facebook. I took the time to go source hospitalization numbers from actual hospitals, compared what I could find with numbers on main stream sites and found very little variation.
It appears that at least 55% of the deaths in Canada actually occured in senior care homes. People, like my father, on death row in isolation literally dying from loneliness. A caring housekeeper/nurse/administrator clearing beds came to work despite their little headache because their either needed the money or the home was running short staffed due to covid lockdowns and restrictions causing chaos. I call these murder because even a 10 year old with half a brain could see that was exactly what must happen.
My Dad made it to christmas eve last year we got the call to confirm his test results when the whole family was nearby. They called new years eve to let us know they had "done all they could", which of course was only the nurses and doctors did, the administration was busy cleaning the knife. We had to wait 14 days to collect his body because he had Covid. He had prepaid for a large funeral home and we were only allowed 10 people for the service after we rotated through plastic lined tunnels to view my Dad. Most of his grandkids just waited outside.
The other 45% are made up mostly of seniors over 80 not in care homes in fact if you isolate over 80 it looks like 10% max (stats Canada numbers all disappeared its more like 5% but they have edited everything) 10% of Covid deaths in Canada over 2 years is 1500 a year nation wide.
Since the Vaccines appear to be below 50% against Delta and maybe a feelgood on omicron I can't see any reason to continue counting on Big Pharma. The worst part is no truths will ever be told this has become as polluted as American politics. Lies on top of lies about things that don't matter because someone will lose money.
So yes Birdup I believe the numbers, they point to a clutch for money and power by so many players at once I'd love to be an observer, but some ninny has passed a law causing me to become a participant against my will. If I must be forced to the table I will be certain to begin the removal of anyone involved in that decision without first passing it by me. I lived in a democracy when I was born and have not moved or voted for dictatorship or any other totalitarian authority. They have assumed control of my Government and probably yours too.
There is a Virus, it is bad on elderly, if yours are still alive don't let the death camps take them.
birdup
Bluelight Crew
But you stated a bunch of "truths" just now?
I disagree with your numbers.
The numbers are much more consistent on the pro-vax side.
You guys are all over the place.
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I'm sorry. That was a super cold and dismissive response to a heartfelt post. Sometimes I don't consider how my comments might come across because I'm juggling my job and my kids and my relationship and it feels like I don't have any time. I'm truly sorry for what you experienced with your father. For what it's worth, I think this whole thing has been handled terribly in many ways. We weren't prepared for any of this. We don't know what we're doing.
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Lol where are the official sites formally approved by the pro jabbers then?
These are from the hospitals and in the US they post by area and they even give numbers per million which are as far as I can see exactly the same numbers you are using so where do I find these numbers I don't have after looking everywhere and seeing the same numbers everywhere.
I've used mostly worldmeters site and before they wiped them out with "provisional numbers" I was using stats Canada.
How are these right wing conspiracy sites making up numbers?
Not being a prick here this is exactly where this becomes crazy. No matter what is said against the narrative we are wrong, our data (same as yours) must be wrong, we can't interpret it correctly, or the special insult where we are told the data just doesnt say the nice simple numbers that it says and no response to how the pro vax side can somehow read 55% of 30K as a few... Deaths in seniors home under lockdown within the first 2 years. If you want my Minister of Parliaments phone number to confirm this with him I can look it up but really it is on world meters.
Stats canada is the official canadian government statistics site, they have randomly rounded death stats to the nearest 5 going back 18 years and call them provisional numbers, it used to have death by age group by cause by timeframe etc. Nicely done and oddly all wrong but before it wobbled it showed mostly over 80 deaths but you can look that up so if you have looked that up and have a site that is truer let me know where these mystery numbers are.
Show me the golden salvation of Moderna, because I see a lot of golden showers going on and yeah it does feel bad to be wrong so a lot of people are wrong this is a totalitarian lockdown with nefarious plans. I for one don't believe there is anything evil in the vaccines, they just don't work and this is a cover for something far worse.
BTW fauci was/is some position in the American government probably as an advisory or something, the issue is he apparently channeled money from American tax payers or his self to the wuhan lab to specifically make this virus.
In future civilizations they will breed worker slaves called "foulcheese" made from his genetic material so he can work a billion lifetimes to pay humanity back. Or maybe he ks innocent?...
These are from the hospitals and in the US they post by area and they even give numbers per million which are as far as I can see exactly the same numbers you are using so where do I find these numbers I don't have after looking everywhere and seeing the same numbers everywhere.
I've used mostly worldmeters site and before they wiped them out with "provisional numbers" I was using stats Canada.
How are these right wing conspiracy sites making up numbers?
Not being a prick here this is exactly where this becomes crazy. No matter what is said against the narrative we are wrong, our data (same as yours) must be wrong, we can't interpret it correctly, or the special insult where we are told the data just doesnt say the nice simple numbers that it says and no response to how the pro vax side can somehow read 55% of 30K as a few... Deaths in seniors home under lockdown within the first 2 years. If you want my Minister of Parliaments phone number to confirm this with him I can look it up but really it is on world meters.
Stats canada is the official canadian government statistics site, they have randomly rounded death stats to the nearest 5 going back 18 years and call them provisional numbers, it used to have death by age group by cause by timeframe etc. Nicely done and oddly all wrong but before it wobbled it showed mostly over 80 deaths but you can look that up so if you have looked that up and have a site that is truer let me know where these mystery numbers are.
Show me the golden salvation of Moderna, because I see a lot of golden showers going on and yeah it does feel bad to be wrong so a lot of people are wrong this is a totalitarian lockdown with nefarious plans. I for one don't believe there is anything evil in the vaccines, they just don't work and this is a cover for something far worse.
BTW fauci was/is some position in the American government probably as an advisory or something, the issue is he apparently channeled money from American tax payers or his self to the wuhan lab to specifically make this virus.
In future civilizations they will breed worker slaves called "foulcheese" made from his genetic material so he can work a billion lifetimes to pay humanity back. Or maybe he ks innocent?...