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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Las Veghost grower said:
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most of us arnt anti vax, we just want to wait a couple years to see if there are any negative effects of THESE rushed vaccines…but by all means get vaxed, hopefully this isn’t a huge scandal in 5 years, but atleast I wouldn’t have taken it
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I just don't think it's necessarily "crazy" that people would want the vaccine. I feel that a lot of times in these discussions people attribute negative motives/attributes to others, both on the pro and "anti vax" (or vax skeptic, or however you'd choose to categorize it) side...because the pro vax people think that you and people like you are "crazy" for NOT getting the vaccine. Pro vax people sometimes get criticized for being excessively concerned with their personal health, but the criticism could equally be leveled against someone who won't get a shot that's free-of-charge during a pandemic IMO. That's how I feel anyway. As far as risky life decisions I've made, I don't think that getting the vaccine even breaks the top 10.

Maybe you'll be right, and something terrible will happen to my health that'll be directly linked to the vaccine, and I'll have to come back here and eat crow and say "why oh why didn't I listen to Las Veghost grower and the other fine folks on BL?" I'm not perfect and I can admit it when I make a mistake. But, so far so good.

Most people don't have an extensive medical/scientific background in the virology or the life sciences or whatever, they haven't spent hours pouring over the scientific evidence regarding vaccine efficacy, so I just think it's unreasonable to say they're crazy for accepting assistance from the medical establishment during a difficult time. Is my family physician lying to my face when they tell me that the vaccine provides meaningful protection against covid 19?

Electrum1 said:
I don't think a lot of people here are "against vaccines", and most people here have had normal vaccines like MMR. The Polio vaccines you mentioned are not the same as the new mRNA technology shots that are being pushed. Being skeptical of a new medical technology which has been rolled out so quickly that people getting shots don't even have long term safety data, is not being anti-vax or against vaccines. These are not traditional vaccinations.
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Yes, it's certainly a novel way to administer it, but I actually thought it was a clever way that only exposed the body to a fraction of the original virus...getting an old-school vaccine, where you receive the live virus, seems like it would be more risky, not less. And with every medical innovation that eventually becomes standard, it BEGINS with a person or people, there is no way around that. The wide-scale use of mRNA technology (albeit built on research that predates covid 19) is BEGINNING with us in the modern era...but that doesn't necessarily mean its bad, anymore than it was bad when the first polio vaccine was administered.

But, as I mentioned before, most people don't have either the academic background or the time to spend pouring over the available data until they discover, a-ha! I found it! The conclusive proof that spike proteins are the devil! I include myself in that, I'm not Dr. Burnt Offerings, Ph.D., M.D., Esquire here, I'm just some asshole on the internet. So who am I supposed to listen to, these eggheads who tell me it's safe and effective or some other assholes on the internet?

This will probably be my last post about it though. I'm sick of talking about covid 19 and related topics.
 
Burnt Offerings said:
I just don't think it's necessarily "crazy" that people would want the vaccine. I feel that a lot of times in these discussions people attribute negative motives/attributes to others, both on the pro and "anti vax" (or vax skeptic, or however you'd choose to categorize it) side...because the pro vax people think that you and people like you are "crazy" for NOT getting the vaccine. Pro vax people sometimes get criticized for being excessively concerned with their personal health, but the criticism could equally be leveled against someone who won't get a shot that's free-of-charge during a pandemic IMO. That's how I feel anyway. As far as risky life decisions I've made, I don't think that getting the vaccine even breaks the top 10.

Maybe you'll be right, and something terrible will happen to my health that'll be directly linked to the vaccine, and I'll have to come back here and eat crow and say "why oh why didn't I listen to Las Veghost grower and the other fine folks on BL?" I'm not perfect and I can admit it when I make a mistake. But, so far so good.

Most people don't have an extensive medical/scientific background in the virology or the life sciences or whatever, they haven't spent hours pouring over the scientific evidence regarding vaccine efficacy, so I just think it's unreasonable to say they're crazy for accepting assistance from the medical establishment during a difficult time. Is my family physician lying to my face when they tell me that the vaccine provides meaningful protection against covid 19?



Yes, it's certainly a novel way to administer it, but I actually thought it was a clever way that only exposed the body to a fraction of the original virus...getting an old-school vaccine, where you receive the live virus, seems like it would be more risky, not less. And with every medical innovation that eventually becomes standard, it BEGINS with a person or people, there is no way around that. The wide-scale use of mRNA technology (albeit built on research that predates covid 19) is BEGINNING with us in the modern era...but that doesn't necessarily mean its bad, anymore than it was bad when the first polio vaccine was administered.

But, as I mentioned before, most people don't have either the academic background or the time to spend pouring over the available data until they discover, a-ha! I found it! The conclusive proof that spike proteins are the devil! I include myself in that, I'm not Dr. Burnt Offerings, Ph.D., M.D., Esquire here, I'm just some asshole on the internet. So who am I supposed to listen to, these eggheads who tell me it's safe and effective or some other assholes on the internet?

This will probably be my last post about it though. I'm sick of talking about covid 19 and related topics.
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This is really well written and shows you don't mind the heavy handed measures being used on those of us who have no need of the vaccine and those who are hesitant.

I realize a large portion of the human population are not interested in all the details and just want to take a pill or shot or drink a juice box and get back to work. Somewhere along the way the general population has been told everyone needs to take the shot and that until we all do, the obedient ones who were already on board will have to keep getting more shots. Ergo chase down those evil anti-vaxers.

So, since they haven't made enough money off the biggest dupe in history, they are forcing those of us who have had this flu already and naturally immune to also take a shot.

To force us into this we have been restricted from access to the world at large and a digital arm band has been released.

This is a totalitarian move on the heels of a very thin pandemic story.

It is good to see you write such a nice piece without all the name calling generally associated with the pro vax opinion.
 
This omnibus variant is totally out of control in the UK now. Hopefully Santa's going to bring some white powder for us all to sniff.
 
Mr. Krinkle said:
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that's when you actually HAVE an infection

you're telling healthy ppl to take 6 doses of a new medicine in an attempt to AVOID getting sick...big difference
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This is a good point. Vaccines aren't normally given every 6 months for life. I've never heard of such a thing. It's weird, especially because the disease itselfis usually not fatal anyways. I think that some people in power simply want to keep the current state of things going.
 
The numbers I am seeing are real low so far in Canada, mostly it is happening in eastern Canada since they always seem to get everything first.

I'm saying this tongue in cheek because it is just prognosticating off the early panic numbers but here is my take on the vaccine usefulness vs the new variant.

They are saying things like 80% testing positive are already vaccinated, which tracks if 70% of the population is vaccinated so 30% are being locked out of places its spreading, more vaccinated people are getting omicron as the vaccine usefulness has now fallen below placebo. Now it only makes you feel safe and lets you mix with others if you have your armband, it may still make you have less symptoms but that immunity thing is just down to -10% because you believed you were protected.

I realize that sounds mean spirited but I really don't like the armband idea and once that popped onto the radar this whole discussion changed from PANIC DEMIC to PLANDEMIC. Panic demic was fun watching and poking at now that I can see no reversal happening to armbands it has become apparent this is plandemic.
 

Rates are higher than previously estimated among both men and women, the CDC's Dr. Isaac See told the meeting. While only a few cases have been seen for every million people vaccinated by age group, they are higher than what was believed when vaccine advisers were last briefed.
"We've been struck on reviewing these cases by how rapidly a patient deteriorates ... to death," See said. Symptoms always begin within two weeks of getting the vaccine and, on average, within nine days.
 
ya know what this means? you were all duped into believing they were safer than they really were

and now they're saying they're not that safe - and guess what - you can't do anything about it because of the fine print read by the speed reader

FYI

this is just the beginning
 
birdup said:
I wasn't duped. That's exactly how safe I thought they were.
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cmon bird

they've been downplaying adverse events this whole time now....you still believe those numbers they throw at you?

it's worse than that and they know it but they can't freak everybody out after they told them it's safer than Michigan tap water
 
I don't need to believe the numbers. I don't know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone that died from the vaccine, nor do I know anyone who knows anyone who knows anyone that got really sick from the vaccine... this, despite the fact that 90% of the country is vaxxed.

I had basically no reaction from Astra or Pfizer.
 
i don't wanna wonder, if something goes wrong, post-vaccination, is that what caused it?




main thing is this:

they recommended the J&J vaccine for a year

and now they don't recommend it

and that's all you really need to know
 
That's not all you need to know.

I wanted to have the third AZ shot in Australia but they banned AZ for some reason despite the fact that it's not significantly more dangerous than Pfizer. Same thing goes for J&J.

i don't wanna wonder, if something goes wrong, post-vaccination, is that what caused it?
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That's fair enough. We have almost two years data now. Would you be happy with five years? Or do you need ten?
 
Yeah, if I was a snowflake pureblooded like you I'd be scared of the jab too... but I've been injecting meth and heroin into my bloodstream for decades. I once spilled the contents of a spoon on the floor of a tent when I was camping. I sucked it back up into the syringe and put it straight into my arm. The jab is nothing.

Currently, I'm lying on my stomach because my ass is full of cannabis-infused MCT oil. I am conducting an experiment, for science. I will provide the data once I'm done and you can make up your own mind.
 
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