Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

[Mr. Krinkle]

Doesn’t that article strongly work against the conspiracy theories regarding vaccination that have currency amongst some members here?

It seems to indicate that vaccination guidelines are being actively managed by the authorities to maximise safety in specific sub-populations as more data becomes available.

No-one has ever claimed that Covid represents an equal danger to all demographic groups or that vaccines are equally safe for all demographic groups.

I think the relevant part of the article is still the info it gives regarding the relative rareity of the specific side effect. There are many everyday medical procedures and medications that represent a greater risk but raise far less public anxiety.

54 TTS cases from 16,000,000 doses with, I think, 7 deaths. Unfortunately there is no actuarial data analysing how many of that 16 million people did not die from Covid thanks to being vaccinated. So it’s a bit hard to calculate the risk/benefit profile across the whole population.

“The CDC said that as of November 24, more than 16.4 million doses of the J&J vaccine had been given in the United States, and the CDC and FDA have 54 confirmed reports of people who later developed TTS. Symptoms began one to two weeks following vaccination, the FDA says.

The FDA said Tuesday that cases of TTS after the Johnson & Johnson vaccine "have been reported in males and females 18 years of age and older, with the highest reporting rate of approximately 1 (one) case per 100,000 doses administered in females 30-49 years of age; overall, approximately 1 out of 7 cases has been fatal," the agency added.”

Well of course it seems to indicate that everything is all under control by the "authorities"...it's from CNN brought to you by Pfizer

and if everything was going so great, why the revisit to discuss if the benefits outweigh the risks again?

 

[Yourbaker]

I thought you didn't respect peoples academic credentials ?

You do see how you are moving goal posts and laughing about it?

This is a drug board and you're probably a bit baked but maybe come back sober and look at your exchange again.

It's kind of lounge worthy really.

 

[mal3volent]

You do see how you are moving goal posts and laughing about it?

This is a drug board and you're probably a bit baked but maybe come back sober and look at your exchange again.

It's kind of lounge worthy really.

 

[Yourbaker]

Joe Rogan is more intelligent, logical, level-headed, and reasonable than any fucking scientist on the planet.

You people need to get a grip and come to accept the facts here. I'm over this shit you people must literally be brain washed that shot has you seeing the world in a different reality

It is what we refer to as brainwashing but it has a lot of differing names from different societies, I prefer self hypnosis because it is by individual choice to abandon reason, logic and understanding and give those over to a pre determined set of beliefs. No amount of evidence against these beliefs can have any effect because they have adopted a belief structure where they put faith in the forefathers of their system and to question it is blasphemous.

When scientists stop seeing reality because it goes against the story they want to believe I like to refer to that as religion. Because it is.

We are arguing against religious people, despite my immunjty from the virus naturally they still fear reality and want me to be sanctified by the holy vaccine because it will save them. As long as everyone joins the group and we all drink the koolaid.... wait too much?

 

[V82]

The QR codes to participate in society are the first step to technological totalitarianism.

It has been a long time coming but as life becomes unlivable for common citizens due to climate change and neoliberalism the elite class is using the pandemic to begin a series of harsh techniques of technological control on society.

They use the pandemic and vaccines as an excuse. This has been where humans have been progressing towards since the industrial revolution.

The elite class do not want anyone to be independent and be able to make a living outside of the system they think they control.

They want to be able to track and control our movements and food sources.

We won't be able to form communes separate from society soon.

They will box us in like farm animals and life will become a slow grinding misery far worse than anything Covid could cause.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I saw a pro vax commercial today and I swear to god if you didn’t know what covid was you would think were in the middle of the Bubonic Plague…to me the way they market this stuff is scarier then the virus itself

 

[Foreigner]

it debunks itself if you think for 10 seconds.


here:

Covid-19 - The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

I haven’t seen any disproving…just opinions…

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i asked you, how many people is that 40k out of?

so tell me. out of all the people who received the pfizer jab in that period, what is the proportion of adverse events?

edit- its my post, 438, not the one shown in the preview

Ah okay, thank you for referring to the post in question.

Your question is actually irrelevant now that the Pfizer data has been made public. The rate is actually much higher. Please see the latest link I posted.

The data shows that the ADR rate is much higher than the hospital system is leading us to believe, because the hospitals are not properly reporting ADRs. The trial data says it all. Feel free to watch the video in the link, or read the data yourself if you understand the methods of simple statistics.

In short, the combined severe ADR and death rate from the vax is higher than covid itself.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Ah okay, thank you for referring to the post in question.

Your question is actually irrelevant now that the Pfizer data has been made public. The rate is actually much higher. Please see the latest link I posted.

The data shows that the ADR rate is much higher than the hospital system is leading us to believe, because the hospitals are not properly reporting ADRs. The trial data says it all. Feel free to watch the video in the link, or read the data yourself if you understand the methods of simple statistics.

In short, the combined severe ADR and death rate from the vax is higher than covid itself.

 

[Yourbaker]

I saw a pro vax commercial today and I swear to god if you didn’t know what covid was you would think were in the middle of the Bubonic Plague…to me the way they market this stuff is scarier then the virus itself

This is just my opinion but when I watch old world war 2 propaganda and the covid fear story it is hilarious. I even found a news article that compared the victims of the covid-19 pandemic to survivors of world war 2 and talked about the heroic efforts made by many to keep the world running while a vaccine was manufactured.

Turning a lie into a tear jerker sentimental feel good movie.

 

[thujone]

someone has done a rigorous analysis of all-cause mortality data and concluded...

The observed excess mortality in all cases (also Austria and Netherlands), is entirely dominated by mortality in the elderly age bins. Those are 95 % vaccinated. The same vaccination level is also the case in Sweden, Spain and France. The vaccine doesn’t reduce nor increase mortality. It isn’t the underlying root cause. The most likely hypothesis has been discussed above: lockdowns or random seasonal effects.

Age adjusted all cause mortality trends 2000-2021 in Europe

An analysis by 5 year age bins using ESP2013 and WHO2015-2025 standard populations

orwell2024.substack.com

 

[Las Veghost grower]

This is just my opinion but when I watch old world war 2 propaganda and the covid fear story it is hilarious. I even found a news article that compared the victims of the covid-19 pandemic to survivors of world war 2 and talked about the heroic efforts made by many to keep the world running while a vaccine was manufactured.

Turning a lie into a tear jerker sentimental feel good movie.

Fractions of a percent in overall chance of survival….that what the vaccine will give you, how anyone can think it’s a good idea to shoot that shit into your body is just crazy to me, no other word to describe it

 

[Burnt Offerings]

How is it crazy? Most of us who've attended public school (such as myself) have received vaccines. Vaccines have benefited everyone, even bitter enemies...a live-virus polio vaccine was distributed to millions of Soviet citizens in the early 1960s, developed by American Albert Sabin after a collaboration between American and Soviet scientists.

You'll notice that that anecdote didn't end with, "then everyone in the Soviet Union had their testicles explode and the Americans laughed and said, 'Suckers!'" No, it just ended with a bunch of people getting saved from death or disability and polio getting eradicated in the USSR. And this was during the late 1950's/early 1960s, not exactly the least tense time of the Cold War..

So there's a lot of positive context associated with vaccinations, vaccination programs etc. And people are scared of a relatively new, potentially deadly disease...so why is it unreasonable that they'd accept a vaccine that they've been assured is safe and effective?

 

[Las Veghost grower]

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How is it crazy? Most of us who've attended public school (such as myself) have received vaccines. Vaccines have benefited everyone, even bitter enemies...a live-virus polio vaccine was distributed to millions of Soviet citizens in the early 1960s, developed by American Albert Sabin after a collaboration between American and Soviet scientists.

You'll notice that that anecdote didn't end with, "then everyone in the Soviet Union had their testicles explode and the Americans laughed and said, 'Suckers!'" No, it just ended with a bunch of people getting saved from death or disability and polio getting eradicated in the USSR. And this was during the late 1950's/early 1960s, not exactly the least tense time of the Cold War..

So there's a lot of positive context associated with vaccinations, vaccination programs etc. And people are scared of a relatively new, potentially deadly disease...so why is it unreasonable that they'd accept a vaccine that they've been assured is safe and effective?

most of us arnt anti vax, we just want to wait a couple years to see if there are any negative effects of THESE rushed vaccines…but by all means get vaxed, hopefully this isn’t a huge scandal in 5 years, but atleast I wouldn’t have taken it

 

[Electrum1]

How is it crazy? Most of us who've attended public school (such as myself) have received vaccines. Vaccines have benefited everyone, even bitter enemies...a live-virus polio vaccine was distributed to millions of Soviet citizens in the early 1960s, developed by American Albert Sabin after a collaboration between American and Soviet scientists.

You'll notice that that anecdote didn't end with, "then everyone in the Soviet Union had their testicles explode and the Americans laughed and said, 'Suckers!'" No, it just ended with a bunch of people getting saved from death or disability and polio getting eradicated in the USSR. And this was during the late 1950's/early 1960s, not exactly the least tense time of the Cold War..

So there's a lot of positive context associated with vaccinations, vaccination programs etc. And people are scared of a relatively new, potentially deadly disease...so why is it unreasonable that they'd accept a vaccine that they've been assured is safe and effective?

I don't think a lot of people here are "against vaccines", and most people here have had normal vaccines like MMR. The Polio vaccines you mentioned are not the same as the new mRNA technology shots that are being pushed. Being skeptical of a new medical technology which has been rolled out so quickly that people getting shots don't even have long term safety data, is not being anti-vax or against vaccines. These are not traditional vaccinations.

 

[drmichaelimperioli]

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Conspiracies - The Covid Narrative

There's millions of people in this country who are going to become very violent if they try that path, I can tell you that for a fact. Again, I have no responsibility for the health of other people. so it is OK for millions to violate bodily sovereignity of other people through violence...

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Please keep all discussion civil. No personal insults.

Hi I’m so sorry I know this is unrelated but I have an urgent question and don’t know how to create a post. Thank you to anyone who can help.

 

[Electrum1]

I saw a pro vax commercial today and I swear to god if you didn’t know what covid was you would think were in the middle of the Bubonic Plague…to me the way they market this stuff is scarier then the virus itself

I assume the reason we don't have FDA approved Pfizer commercials all over television stations is because in the commercials they must list all of the side effects.

 

[-=SS=-]

I thought you didn't respect peoples academic credentials ?

Academic credentials by themselves don't mean anything, is the point. Except perhaps the ability to sweat through years of training and pass.

 

[Yourbaker]

someone has done a rigorous analysis of all-cause mortality data and concluded...

Age adjusted all cause mortality trends 2000-2021 in Europe

An analysis by 5 year age bins using ESP2013 and WHO2015-2025 standard populations

orwell2024.substack.com

This was a long read and very surprising.

 

[birdup]

Both sides of this argument are now concretely indifferent to each other.

Nobody cares what the other side says.

There is no respect.

You can talk about 14th century China, without upsetting people.

It's easy for someone who isn't Islamic to criticize Islam.

COVID is too close for all of us.

It's a fucking nightmare.

Nobody is going to change their mind.

The anti-vaxxers think the other side is crazy and vice-versa.

Maybe everybody is crazy.

I have no idea why I got the booster.

The best explanation I have is to set a good example, but - like I said - nobody gives a fuck what I do or say. I may be able to convince you to reconsider your stance on the Ming Dynasty but I'm not going to change your mind with COVID.

 

[Yourbaker]

I have changed my mind!

Prior to Covid I have had every vaccination available that made sense, i never had a flu shot because it was a mutating virus and you cant make a vaccine for it accurate. If you look at Covid you can see this is true. None of these vaccines are accurate by their own statistics from their own manufacturers even with rose coloured glasses to read the stats.imagine a polio vaccine where 30% of the new cases were vaccinated already.

That kind of vaccine wouldn't have stopped polio and they won't stop Covid.

I do math very fast and very well. Make a vaccine that has effect in a positive direction and I will support it.