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[Jabberwocky]

 

[Jabberwocky]

I'll be completely honest, the only real reason I post here is because I'm a very sad, intoxicated, lonely individual and know that you guys will respond.

In a way, you guys are my only friends. I love you guys.... *hug*. No troll.

But yeah... I got some stupid ass friends. :/

 

[Las Veghost grower]

You, your good you…

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I'll be completely honest, the only real reason I post here is because I'm a very sad, intoxicated, lonely individual and know that you guys will respond.

In a way, you guys are my only friends. I love you guys.... *hug*. No troll.

But yeah... I got some stupid ass friends. :/

We still love you snafu, all the bullshit aside

 

[Jabberwocky]

these threads are one of my only releases of pent up stress and anger I have

I'm not an angry person, but 20 years of drug/alcoholism life has definitely built up some... resentment towards life I guess

This is one of the only outlets I have. I don't even like talking about politics. I'd rather talk about astronomy or the meaning of life.

TBH, I'm fairly confident if any of you knew me IRL we would probably get along, smoke a joint or whatever

I'm a chill dude.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

these threads are one of my only releases of pent up stress and anger I have

I'm not an angry person, but 20 years of drug/alcoholism life has definitely built up some... resentment towards life I guess

This is one of the only outlets I have. I don't even like talking about politics. I'd rather talk about astronomy or the meaning of life.

TBH, I'm fairly confident if any of you knew me IRL we would probably get along, smoke a joint or whatever

I'm a chill dude.

That one of those weird things about the internet, people that would never get along in real life can get along on the internet, and people that don’t get along on the internet would get along fine IRL

 

[Jabberwocky]

That one of those weird things about the internet, people that would never get along in real life can get along on the internet, and people that don’t get along on the internet would get along fine IRL

very true

everyone has an internet persona and an IRL persona

usually, they're a mix of both in reality. People are fake on the internet but people are also fake IRL, just in different ways.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Absolutely nobody on the side trying to discredit the Pfizer vaccine has posted a single credible report or analysis supporting their claims.

And the claims by some that they are a kind of lonely white knight truth teller out to save the innocent is the most ludicrous thing I have ever read on BL.

I’ve demonstrated in clear and simple terms that the Pfizer data posted in several threads was misinterpreted and misunderstood (at best). However, no-one who posted it responded to my demonstration that they were wrong and therefore spreading misinformation.

In the matter of harm reduction the way BL works is that it has no editors but expects that when ignorant and/or malevolent people post harmful misinformation other people will fact-check that and post evidence of why it is misinformation. Then we move on.

For some bizarre reason that is not happening here. People persisting in claiming that there were 1000 deaths out of 40,000 vaccinations in the Pfizer trial based on a Pfizer document are either psychotic or deranged in someway or a clearly malevolent troll of the highest order.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

The only claim Iv ever really made is that we have no real long term safety data on the vaccines, like 2+ years long term…and that the vaccine only increases your individual chance of survival by a fraction of a percent, and being produced and marketed by untrustworthy companies…I don’t think I’m far off on that either….

 

[Jabberwocky]

classic scene!

but, am I Billy Crystal and you are Al Pacino? Or the other way around?

either way great scene

 

[Electrum1]

Absolutely nobody on the side trying to discredit the Pfizer vaccine has posted a single credible report or analysis supporting their claims.

So neither of these Pfizer related papers I've posted in this thread are credible?

Rapid Progression of Angioimmunoblastic T Cell Lymphoma Following BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Booster Shot: A Case Report

Since nucleoside-modified mRNA vaccines strongly activate T follicular helper cells, it is important to explore the possible impact of approved SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines on neoplasms affecting this cell type. Herein, we report and discuss unexpected rapid progression of lymphomatous lesions after...

www.frontiersin.org

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...

www.medrxiv.org

 

[Las Veghost grower]

classic scene!

but, am I Billy Crystal and you are Al Pacino? Or the other way around?

either way great scene

Deniro , but yea

 

[Jabberwocky]

So neither of these Pfizer related papers I've posted in this thread are credible?

Rapid Progression of Angioimmunoblastic T Cell Lymphoma Following BNT162b2 mRNA Vaccine Booster Shot: A Case Report

Since nucleoside-modified mRNA vaccines strongly activate T follicular helper cells, it is important to explore the possible impact of approved SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines on neoplasms affecting this cell type. Herein, we report and discuss unexpected rapid progression of lymphomatous lesions after...

www.frontiersin.org

This paper is credible. I especially like the ‘Fronteirs in…’ series of journals. You get very high quality cutting edge research in them.

But, the article is a single case study of a patient with both a pre-existing condition AND a rare genetic mutation that the authors hypothesise contributed to his reaction to the vaccine.

There is absolutely nothing in the article that discredits the Pfizer vaccine in any way. But it does suggest that amongst the tens of millions of doses where this side effectdoes not happen, a tiny number of cases where it does may be missed. The authors conclude as such:

“At this time, extrapolation of the findings of this case to other patients with AITL or other peripheral T cell lymphoma involving TFH cells is premature. AITL patients are rare and their mutation profile is heterogeneous. Furthermore, their immune reactions might be affected by their treatment. It is therefore unlikely that existing pharmacovigilance systems will be efficient to identify extremely rare cases like ours.”

Comparing SARS-CoV-2 natural immunity to vaccine-induced immunity: reinfections versus breakthrough infections

Background Reports of waning vaccine-induced immunity against COVID-19 have begun to surface. With that, the comparable long-term protection conferred by previous infection with SARS-CoV-2 remains unclear. Methods We conducted a retrospective observational study comparing three groups...

www.medrxiv.org

This article is less credible because it has not been peer reviewed. But even so, it does not discredit the Pfizer vaccine in any way.

It relates only to the Delta variant and somply shows that statistically if you survive a Covid infection unvaccinated your natural immunity will be higher than what immunity you would get from a double dose vaccination with no prior Covid infection.

But if you have had Covid and then also get a double dose vaccination your overall immunity will be higher again.

So nothing there to discredit Pfizer again. In fact once vaccinated many people will become infected but be asymptomatic (thanks to the vax) but also develop further natural immunity.

The article makes it clear that overall immunity to future variants is most likely optimised by maximising natural immunity and vaccine derived immunity together. But getting your first infection after vaccination is likely less risky and far less noticeable in terms of symptoms than before vaccination.

So if you consider yourself on the side trying to discredit Pfizer your selected articles add nothing. However, they are very interesting and do contribute to the side believing vaccination for Covid is a good thing. Or are at least neutral in that regard.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

CDC vaccine advisers to revisit Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine recommendation

CDC vaccine advisers will meet on Thursday to revisit the benefits and risks for the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine.

www.cnn.com

look at that pro-vaxxers

now they're not saying the benefits outweigh the risks

ive been saying that this whole time - the risks outweigh the benefits

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

"During a White House Covid-19 briefing on Wednesday, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky did not say why the committee was meeting about Johnson & Johnson's Janssen vaccine, or whether she believes the benefits of the vaccine still outweigh the risks."

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Princeton, other colleges shifting classes and holding finals online due to Covid-19 increase

A significant rise in Covid-19 cases and concerns over the fast-spreading Omicron variant is forcing at least four more colleges and universities to move the last days of the fall semester online -- including final exams.

www.cnn.com

look at that

they have like 99% of ppl vaccinated at these universities too

 

[-=SS=-]

the science crowd listen to scientists. not joe rogan. try again.

It's not about Joe, it's about the guy he is talking to. Try again.

 

[mal3volent]

It's not about Joe, it's about the guy he is talking to. Try again.

I thought you didn't respect peoples academic credentials ?

 

[Jabberwocky]

CDC vaccine advisers to revisit Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine recommendation

CDC vaccine advisers will meet on Thursday to revisit the benefits and risks for the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine.

www.cnn.com

look at that pro-vaxxers

now they're not saying the benefits outweigh the risks

ive been saying that this whole time - the risks outweigh the benefits

Doesn’t that article strongly work against the conspiracy theories regarding vaccination that have currency amongst some members here?

It seems to indicate that vaccination guidelines are being actively managed by the authorities to maximise safety in specific sub-populations as more data becomes available.

No-one has ever claimed that Covid represents an equal danger to all demographic groups or that vaccines are equally safe for all demographic groups.

I think the relevant part of the article is still the info it gives regarding the relative rareity of the specific side effect. There are many everyday medical procedures and medications that represent a greater risk but raise far less public anxiety.

54 TTS cases from 16,000,000 doses with, I think, 7 deaths. Unfortunately there is no actuarial data analysing how many of that 16 million people did not die from Covid thanks to being vaccinated. So it’s a bit hard to calculate the risk/benefit profile across the whole population.

“The CDC said that as of November 24, more than 16.4 million doses of the J&J vaccine had been given in the United States, and the CDC and FDA have 54 confirmed reports of people who later developed TTS. Symptoms began one to two weeks following vaccination, the FDA says.

The FDA said Tuesday that cases of TTS after the Johnson & Johnson vaccine "have been reported in males and females 18 years of age and older, with the highest reporting rate of approximately 1 (one) case per 100,000 doses administered in females 30-49 years of age; overall, approximately 1 out of 7 cases has been fatal," the agency added.”

 

[OpiateKiller]

the science crowd listen to scientists. not joe rogan. try again.

Joe Rogan is more intelligent, logical, level-headed, and reasonable than any fucking scientist on the planet.

You people need to get a grip and come to accept the facts here. I'm over this shit you people must literally be brain washed that shot has you seeing the world in a different reality