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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Derschieber said:
"Public Health England released data which shows that vaccination does not appreciably guard against Covid infection and transmission and protection worked out at around 17 per cent for the over-fifties...In every age group over 30 in the UK, the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. Indeed, in the cohorts aged between 40 and 79, infection rates among the vaccinated are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated."

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Natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. Israeli Study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected"
 
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Derschieber said:
I love getting boosted. Got another Moderna shot at the local pharmacy yesterday. 3rd one. Haven't tried the Pfizer yet. I think she missed the vain...didn't feel any effects at all. Going back today, hopefully they'll do it right & hit the spot. I didn't like AstraZeneca. Made me itchy & I got the irresistible urge to vote for Hillary Clinton. How weird is that ??
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For sure. I hurt my back simply walking to the store yesterday, so I'm going to need at least 6 more boosters now.
 
Derschieber said:
"Public Health England released data which shows that vaccination does not appreciably guard against Covid infection and transmission and protection worked out at around 17 per cent for the over-fifties...In every age group over 30 in the UK, the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. Indeed, in the cohorts aged between 40 and 79, infection rates among the vaccinated are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated."

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So once again, if the death rate is lower in the vaxed but infection rate is higher at some point the vax is a moot point or possibly doing more harm then good 🥸
 
Las Veghost grower said:
So once again, if the death rate is lower in the vaxed but infection rate is higher at some point the vax is a moot point or possibly doing more harm then good 🥸
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Not sure about all that. I need increasingly regular booster-shots to feel safe from the mobs of anti-vaxxers, who lurch about in the streets like The Walking Dead, looking to eat our brains and stuff.
 
Derschieber said:
Not sure about all that. I need increasingly regular booster-shots to feel safe from the mobs of anti-vaxxers, who lurch about in the streets like The Walking Dead, looking to eat our brains and stuff.
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No anti vax zombies are way worse, they don’t eat your brains….they eat you penis, while your still alive…literally the worst death imaginable, I urge you all to get vaxed
 
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Over 3% of people who receive Pfizer are dying from the jab? Do either of you really believe that?

I love how these articles always try to establish how credible the doctors are making these absurd statements.

"He worked for 15 years as a doctor and 10 years in emergency." So what? Some doctors worked for 40 years while literally fucking their infant patients... and there are plenty of doctors who've worked for 25+ years who disagree with this quack.

A medical degree doesn't make me assume he is correct. For all the anti-science talk from the anti-vaxxers, why quote doctors at all? Why trust any doctors if you don't trust most of them? How can you tell who is lying?

Is this guy a virologist? Is he an epidemiologist?
 
Deaths are approximately one in a million, not one in 33. If 1/33 people were dying from the vaccines, I'd know a lot of dead people and I don't. It is not possible. I couldn't be bothered reading more about it. It is clearly absurd.

Where are the hundreds of millions of dead people?
 
At a glance, the number appears to be the proportion deaths to overall adverse reactions.

1,223 of the (roughly 40k) adverse reactions were fatal, the vast majority of which are unrelated to the vaccine.

It reads like 1,200 people in a trial of 40,000 people died. If that was true, they obviously wouldn't have approved it for use.
 
FDA clinical trials used to be shut down at 50 deaths.
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So a study done on a million people over the course of three years is shut down because of 50 deaths... and a study done on a thousand people over a week is also shut down because of 50 deaths?

That's a weird system.

I suspect you are incorrect.

So there were over 40,000 adverse reactions just in the clinical trials, and over 2,000 deaths, and you think that's acceptable to release onto the general population?
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How many people took part in the study and how may of the deaths were actually caused by the vaccine?

Maybe a dozen people have died (from all the vaccines in Australia).

Around 90% of the adult population is vaccinated.

Clearly the vaccines aren't killing many people.
 
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Clearly the vaccines aren't killing many people.
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it is not in any significant numbers.

if people read further into the document where there is a breakdown of the adverse events, which presumably sum up to the numbers in the top table, nest to most is "Conclusion: This cumulative case review does not raise new safety issues. Surveillance will continue." - what i can't see is the total number of shots this was for, but given it has data from all around the world, it will be >> 40k. a significant number were not medically confirmed.
 
Electrum1 said:
Natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. Israeli Study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected"
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Yet another flawed study. This the reason I keep saying that science and academia are not blameless when it comes to these conspiracy theories.

Actually: it's the people that analyze and interpret the data. And people here and everywhere banging on because the FDA will not just dump over 400 000 pages of data (comprising of many hundreds of thousands of lines in spreadsheets). Can you imagine the shit show. Dumping that on Joe Public who cannot spell or string a coherent sentence together but let 'em loose on Excel to interpret that data. You'd have Pfizer employees and executives being dragged out of their offices and being flogged in the streets based on Joe Public's "findings".

Here. Listen on the link below.

"Immunity to Covid-19. We've all been hoping to develop it ever since the virus emerged two years ago. Since then, a race to vaccinate the world has begun in earnest, with many countries rolling out booster shots in response to the rise of the Omicron variant. Health officials and scientists agree that vaccines are the safest way to develop immunity to the disease. But when US Congresswoman Nancy Mace took to Fox News recently, citing a study showing a whooping 27 times better immunity from natural infection than vaccination, we thought we'd better investigate. How did this study arrive at this number, and is it a fair representation of its findings?"

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More or Less: Behind the Stats - Does catching covid give you more immunity than being vaccinated? - BBC Sounds

Infection vs injection: Could prior infection provide 27 times more protection?
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Electrum1 said:
No. The study shows that people who caught and recovered from Covid have more protection from infection than people who are vaxxed (with Pfizer) but have never had covid.
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Well who the fuck knows. On that podcast I have two "qualified experts" calling it into question for various reasons. If you listen from 03:00 onward... Doesn't matter what the presenter is saying i.e. just another talking head expressing opinion in the bigger scheme of things. But he does ask good and pertinent questions.
 
chinup said:
it is not in any significant numbers.
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That's what's missing from most of the arguments. Those with REAL and SERIOUS adverse side effects are not statistically significant in number. No consolation of course if somebody actually DOES kick the bucket because of a vaccine. But it is what it is. It's right up there with the saying "shit happens".
 
Electrum1 said:
Natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. Israeli Study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
"Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected"
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there has been a lot of discussion regarding the validty of that paper that i can't get into now because i should have started work half an hour ago.

but this one concludes the same and made it through review into a good journal:

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www.thelancet.com

what i don't understand is how brazil got so fucked with reinfection if this is the case.

either way, vaccination is better than risking death/life changing outcomes from covid, because the risks are much higher from actual covid infections than vaccines. and the more people we have vaccinated, the fewer serious infections we get.

dalpat077 said:
That's what's missing from most of the arguments. Those with REAL and SERIOUS adverse side effects are not statistically significant in number. No consolation of course if somebody actually DOES kick the bucket because of a vaccine. But it is what it is. It's right up there with the saying "shit happens".
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yeah exactly. its a fucking tragedy. people died from smallpox vaccines but i think we're all in agreement that campaign was the right thing to do.

i just don't understand how you look at a risk benefit analysis- deaths from covid vs deaths from the vaccine, ditto serious complications, etc and decide not to get vaccinated. well i do, the same people minimise covid to a huge degree.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Bring on another lockdown I say.

As an antisocial cunt that is quite happy to not see anyone or go anywhere (except for work), I find lockdowns are amazing stress relief. Especially when I can carry out my business without sales reps and general twats in Audis and BMWs clogging up the roads...
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I want to like this twice. My partner and I are both Autistic so people in small organized doses we can deal with but we live primarily isolated.

I have had a new wave of door knockers though since people are unable to work and earn a living, mostly due to government regulations, at least a couple people a week arrive on my doorstep with a story a need and a will to work but we have created a world where humans are not central to our own civilization any longer. I live in a town where no one knows me and I work and socialize elsewhere so I feel for the people that are locally known to be helpful, their doorstep must be full all the time since we've all but shut down the free social services we had from churches.

I've lost one good friend due to restrictions so far, he was turned away from a homeless shelter because they needed to have 6 foot spaces, it was -40ish and he tried to break into somehwere to sleep. Someone beat him to death or halfway there and left him outside by a dumpster to die.

When regulations are not about people they will kill us along with the silly people that enforce them.
 
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