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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Las Veghost grower said:
They do long term studies on a lot of stuff… especially something new like a mRNA vaccine…or atleast they’re suppose to, but the fudged the emergency use by saying nothing els works to stop this super lethal virus
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in the best case we would have had long term studies on these vaccines. no one sensible would deny that.

would you be more comfortable with a vaccine that uses a longer established technology, like sinovac or novavax? mRNA is not the only option, or even the best option based on my limited understanding of vaccines.

we needed to reduce the strain on healthcare systems without going into endless lockdown. because that is horrible for everyone and ruinous to the economy, but exposing a significant proportion of the workforce to a virus that can take you out for weeks or months would also be ruinous to the economy and health systems, so we took a punt on being able to end lockdowns without letting covid run rampant. and it looks to have worked out very well.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
We’re gonna have to agree to disagree on this. Especially after you look at Australia and the fact they still talking about new lockdowns being a possibility
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we have the same here. what i mean is that, if you look at the hospitalisation and death rates for the UK, currently vs january, we have similar-ish case numbers but the numbers of people dying and being hospitalised is much lower. the most obvious explanation for the difference between now and january is the mass vaccination campaign.

anti vaxxers put it down to a mutation that has made sars-cov2 less virulent, but i've spent a long time this year looking at mutations in different variants and have seen none that would do this. they have not specified the mutation when requested. so, in the absence of any evidence that sars-cov2 has become less virulent (in fact concerningly we were seeing increases in virulence, but there are now tentative speculations that omicron is less virulent, thank fuck, but we need to look at clinical data to be sure of that), it is fair to attribute the drop in hospitalisations/deaths to the mass vaccination campaign.

we will probably have another lockdown too. i'm fucking fuming tbh. i did fucking everything personally, massively limited going out, worse masks shopping, sanitsed the shit out of my hands. i really feel like this could have been avoided if other people had taken some basic safety measures when the government washed their hands of it i wouldn't be facing lockdown in northern UK winter. apparently it was too much to ask, and people in this thread have argued as such. and now we've seen what hypocrites are leaders are, its unlikely a lockdown would be taken anywhere near as seriously, so it would be longer, cos people would still go out spreading disease. and i don't blame them when our leaders don't do what's asked.

anyway, i try to avoid politics cos i just get angry but thought it was worth pointing out we are in the same boat but that is not due to failures of these vaccines.
 
Las Veghost grower said:
I just still can’t wrap my head around how anyone would trust the pharma companies about these vaccines, yea we all know of the corruption, we all know of the billion dollar law suites, we all know profit trumps public safety, and we all know the virus isn’t as deadly as the MSM wants it to be and the vax isn’t anywhere near as effective as they claim it to be, on top of no data for long term side effects since it’s hasent even been around for 2 years…yet there are people still all in On this vax, I feel like the lowest level of common sense should atleast make you acknowledge some of the red flags regarding this whole situation…I totally understand someone getting vaxed cause they feel it’s the lesser of 2 evils, but to say everyone needs to get vaxed to protect other people and wipe covid off the planet is just fairy tale shit, imho
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I don't believe the general public trusts these pharmaceutical companies...they're listening to the never-ending media reports of how deadly this virus supposedly is. And now that those who have children are "urged" to have THEM vaccinated, well...such a sad state of affairs.

Living in fear is a horrid existence; humans don't respond very well to it. #Understatement
 
chinup said:
but the numbers of people dying and being hospitalised is much lower. the most obvious explanation for the difference between now and january is the mass vaccination campaign.

anti vaxxers put it down to a mutation that has made sars-cov2 less virulent, but i've spent a long time this year looking at mutations in different variants and have seen none that would do this. they have not specified the mutation when requested.
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I disagree it being due to mass vaxxing. Deaths with Omicron variant sure appear to indicate its less severe. I've only seen 1 reported, and it was a death with the variant, not from the variant.

Here are the spike mutations of the new variant, just put B.1.1.529 in the variant field, may take a few min to load: https://www.iedb.org/immunomebrowse...P0DTC2&source_antigen_name=Spike+glycoprotein
 
Illyria99 said:
I don't believe the general public trusts these pharmaceutical companies...they're listening to the never-ending media reports of how deadly this virus supposedly is. And now that those who have children are "urged" to have THEM vaccinated, well...such a sad state of affairs.

Living in fear is a horrid existence; humans don't respond very well to it.
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Of course the general public trusts these pharmaceutical companies. Otherwise no one would use their products.

Ever been to see a doctor? Been in hospital? Nipped down to the pharmacy when you have a headache? Been in treatment for substance abuse?


It's only the sales and marketing departments of these companies that have dubious morals, whereas their research and development is second to none.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
Of course the general public trusts these pharmaceutical companies. Otherwise no one would use their products.

Ever been to see a doctor? Been in hospital? Nipped down to the pharmacy when you have a headache? Been in treatment for substance abuse?


It's only the sales and marketing departments of these companies that have dubious morals, whereas their research and development is second to none.
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I stand corrected.
 
Electrum1 said:
I disagree it being due to mass vaxxing. Deaths with Omicron variant sure appear to indicate its less severe. I've only seen 1 reported, and it was a death with the variant, not from the variant.
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yes, but that wouldn't explain the decrease in hospitalisations/deaths while case rates continued to increase prior to omicron being detected in the UK. we have reasonable sequencing efforts so if it truly is less virulent then it could have been in the UK long before it made someone ill enough to be hospitalised with it, but assuming that we sequence more from people with severe cases, i wouldn't put the observed decrease entirely down to omicron, especially when you compare rates of vaccinated vs unvaccinated amongst those in hospital/dying.

Electrum1 said:
Here are the spike mutations of the new variant, just put B.1.1.529 in the variant field, may take a few min to load: https://www.iedb.org/immunomebrowser.php?cookie_id=24e7ca&source_organism=http://purl.obolibrary.org/obo/NCBITaxon_2697049&source_organism_name=SARS-CoV2&source_antigen=http://www.uniprot.org/uniprot/P0DTC2&source_antigen_name=Spike+glycoprotein
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i've looked at the spike mutations but i really hope others do, and educate themselves to what they mean even with broad brush strokes. we expect the spike protein to explore the full space available to it. from a scientific perspective i'm much more interested in what has happened in orf1a/b- there is a lot going on there that we haven't seen in previous VOCs and i'd love to know what it means (educated speculation is welcomed, annoyingly my lab colleagues refuse to speculate but i hope someone in here is prepared to given the informality of the situation).
 
i live in australia and i would rather have been in the most locked down city in the world, than know people who died of covid.

people here care about our elders and those who are immuno-compromised.

you can keep your freedom to kill off the weak in america thanks.

also we are doing fine without guns and mass shootings.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
You're welcome... ;)
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You do realise right? That doesn't mean...thank you ?

Just making sure man, I hate to see misunderstandings lol. 🙂

Because between us, to me that is the aloof/weak way to say...I was wrong! Like the peacock, dazzling display.

I like simple facts. Lol, past caring if somebody quotes me on that.

Hope people are well as much as too.
 
Mysterie said:
i live in australia and i would rather have been in the most locked down city in the world, than know people who died of covid.

people here care about our elders and those who are immuno-compromised.

you can keep your freedom to kill off the weak in america thanks.

also we are doing fine without guns and mass shootings.
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that's great

Australia was originally a prison island....so it might be safe to say that being locked up, is in your genes - so maybe that's why you guys are cool with it down there

just a thought :shrug:
 
Mysterie said:
i live in australia and i would rather have been in the most locked down city in the world, than know people who died of covid.

people here care about our elders and those who are immuno-compromised.

you can keep your freedom to kill off the weak in america thanks.

also we are doing fine without guns and mass shootings.
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Congratulations , we did the lockdown thing too…you expect everyone to stay inside for years and let the economy completely collapse ? I feel for the people who died but the world dosent stop spinning, here in America you don’t have to leave your house if you don’t want to or are scared, that’s your right… I like my freedom to go where I want when I want and my right to own guns :), to each their own
 
Mysterie said:
people here care about our elders and those who are immuno-compromised.
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This argument does not stand up to scrutiny and at its heart reveals the utter selfishness of its proponents. You claim to care about the elderly, whilst simultaneously allowing the destruction of the mental health and prospect of living in a free society (that the elderly enjoyed all their life) for all the young people out there.

Placing the elderly and the sick above the future generations is completely out of touch with reality, and morality. All you're doing is creating an order of magnitude more suffering down the road because YOU are afraid NOW.

This point is exemplified by all the adults calling for the jabbing of minors who are at zero risk, so that they (the adults) may be better protected, with an experimental product with no long-term safety data. It's fucking disgusting and completely unforgivable, but totally indicative of the morally debased masses that waste oxygen on this planet. Sacrificing the young to protect the old is the preserve of primitive throwbacks with double digit IQs.
 
"Public Health England released data which shows that vaccination does not appreciably guard against Covid infection and transmission and protection worked out at around 17 per cent for the over-fifties...In every age group over 30 in the UK, the rates of Covid infection per 100,000 are now higher among the vaxxed than the unvaxxed. Indeed, in the cohorts aged between 40 and 79, infection rates among the vaccinated are more than twice as high as among the unvaccinated."

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