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Covid-19 The New Covid Megathread v.Oh-my-cron!

Electrum1 said:
how many of those millions of doctors have long term clinical safety data for any Covid vaccine?
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How many of those doctors have long term clinical safety of Covid-19?

Your point is moot and meaningless.

Fearing a vaccine more than the actual virus is delusional, especially after we have more data on the damage of Covid than any damage from the vaccine.

Electrum1 said:
And if, according to you, 99.9% of doctors recommend Covid vaccines, then they MUST have long term clinical safety data or they're giving dangerous anti-scientific recommendations to their patients, right?
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umm, no.... you are making up some arbitrary factor which doctors base their practice on

you literally just made that up in your head :)

Doctors base their practice on the most modern science. I thought even children knew this..?

Oh wait, I forgot, you think science is corrupt?
 
I can use my imagination, too :D

You know... I could just spin this around and turn it into a conspiracy about how Covid 19 is actually way more dangerous than it is, that doctors and being told NOT to treat it, that the wealthy elite is trying to have human population control by releasing a virus then spreading misinformation that the cure is worse than the vaccine.

I have a great imagination myself, you know.

Also, give me some proof that covid vaxx hesitancy is not a Chinese plot to kill off many Americans? Could be. In fact that's what is actually happening.

You can't disprove my theory. China is killing us by brainwashing YOU. OMG. FUCK.

in fact YOU are being brainwashed by Chinese Agents... wow... can't prove me wrong can you? Anything I say can just be rearranged to support the "Covid Narrative" Narrative...
 
Negentropic said:
How many of those doctors have long term clinical safety of Covid-19?

Your point is moot and meaningless.
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Understood. So because doctors don't know long term effects of Covid, it's perfectly acceptable for them to push shots that they also don't know the long term effects of. Gotcha. Have a good night. Science.
 
Electrum1 said:
Understood. So because doctors don't know long term effects of Covid, it's perfectly acceptable for them to push shots that they also don't know the long term effects of. Gotcha. Have a good night. Science.
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Doctors understand long term covid effects more than long term vaccine effects....

So yes, it's perfectly OK for them to push shots when ALL AVAILABLE SCIENTIFIC DATA shows the virus is magnitudes worse than the vaccine.

I'm going to sleep myself.

Hopefully I have done my part tonight in eradicating stupidity.

By the way, still, none of you have answered ANY of my questions or points.... Prove me wrong.

Divert, Insult, Ignore

The antivaxx manifesto

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTIONS AND POINTS, THAT'S WHAT A FUCKING DEBATE IS

goodnight BL, got some stress out tonight :)
 
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The short term safety data for covid vaccines is far better, across age groups, than that for covid itself.

I have not seen one biologically plausible mechanism proposed for how these vaccines could cause long term damage, whereas there are mechanisms understood for them to leave the system quickly without doing much after provoking the intended immune response. Without a theory to back up the supposition that they could cause long term damage, there is simply no evidence for this, there is as much evidence for them causing long term damage as there is for them giving people psychic powers a decade from now. I.e. none.

Without a biological mechanism to back up either theory, surely you have to accept both long term negative and positive effects. There is no a priori reason to prefer one over the other.

You can't just say 'you don't know this won't happen' and expect people to take it seriously without explaining why you have taken your stance, from a scientific perspective.
 
questions for the antivaxxers:

how many people have contracted the virus?

how many people have died (or been handicapped) from the virus?

how many people have gotten fully vaccinated?

how many people have died (or been handicapped) from the vaccine?

this simple word problem ought to straighten things out, hopefully.
 
chinup said:
The short term safety data for covid vaccines is far better, across age groups, than that for covid itself.

I have not seen one biologically plausible mechanism proposed for how these vaccines could cause long term damage, whereas there are mechanisms understood for them to leave the system quickly without doing much after provoking the intended immune response. Without a theory to back up the supposition that they could cause long term damage, there is simply no evidence for this, there is as much evidence for them causing long term damage as there is for them giving people psychic powers a decade from now. I.e. none.

Without a biological mechanism to back up either theory, surely you have to accept both long term negative and positive effects. There is no a priori reason to prefer one over the other.

You can't just say 'you don't know this won't happen' and expect people to take it seriously without explaining why you have taken your stance, from a scientific perspective.
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you just ingore the mechanism of the spike protein causing vascular damage. There is a reason astreazenca was banned in alot of countries. Fucking blood cots killing people.

You academics are hilliarous trying to talk about a part of science that has no revelance to your career or learnings.

Its like somebody winning a noble prize award for peace and then claiming they are a expert in cutting edge organic chemistry. LMAO no one believes anything these so called "academics" say.
 
chinup said:
The short term safety data for covid vaccines is far better, across age groups, than that for covid itself.

I have not seen one biologically plausible mechanism proposed for how these vaccines could cause long term damage, whereas there are mechanisms understood for them to leave the system quickly without doing much after provoking the intended immune response. Without a theory to back up the supposition that they could cause long term damage, there is simply no evidence for this, there is as much evidence for them causing long term damage as there is for them giving people psychic powers a decade from now. I.e. none.

Without a biological mechanism to back up either theory, surely you have to accept both long term negative and positive effects. There is no a priori reason to prefer one over the other.

You can't just say 'you don't know this won't happen' and expect people to take it seriously without explaining why you have taken your stance, from a scientific perspective.
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I'm worried about seeing potential damage to immune systems 3-4 years from now. Autoimmune disorders especially. Even a big-pharma CEO (AztraZeneca I think it was) said pretty much the same about us not even knowing what side effects will show up (He said 4 years).
 
TripSitterNZ said:
LMAO no one believes anything these so called "academics" say.
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chinup makes her case more convincingly (and more civilly fwiw) than many posters in the forum. her arguments are reasoned and well-consider and she supports her arguments with evidence.

i believe much of what she posts so, again, you are demonstrably incorrect.

alasdair
 
nepalnt21 said:
questions for the antivaxxers:

how many people have contracted the virus?

how many people have died (or been handicapped) from the virus?

how many people have gotten fully vaccinated?

how many people have died (or been handicapped) from the vaccine?

this simple word problem ought to straighten things out, hopefully.
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you can't ask them this

According to a few people I know on these forums they personally know SEVERAL people who have died or nearly died 'from the vaccine', that babies have died...

They don't believe in the validity of science, therefor they don't believe in the validity of statistical science, therefor any evidence you present is automatically fake or questionable

While they then link their our statistics sourced from people they trust (facebook, random conspiracy warriors)

You can't forget, these are people who truly believe the vaccine causes you to become magnetic, or that it's some grand control conspiracy like 1984 or some shit

These people believe more in word-to-mouth science and anecdotal stories from their neighbor or the internet more than any real statistics produced by official sources
 
alasdairm said:
chinup makes her case more convincingly (and more civilly fwiw) than many posters in the forum. her arguments are reasoned and well-consider and she supports her arguments with evidence.

i believe much of what she posts so, again, you are demonstrably incorrect.

alasdair
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indeed

I wish I was as elegant at stating my point as @chinup

I'm just your average washed up drunken asshole, admittedly :)
 
TripSitterNZ said:
you just ingore the mechanism of the spike protein causing vascular damage. There is a reason astreazenca was banned in alot of countries. Fucking blood cots killing people.
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those blood clots (which are exceedingly rare) are specific to AZ and J+J, afaik, and are not associated with the mrna vaccines.

you don't wanna be the 1 in a million? shop around. get the moderna or the pfizer, etc.

it's still levels of magnitude safer than the virus. even prescription medications cause like thousands and thousands of deaths a year, and that's not even counting abuse/ misuse. some people are allergic to the most common food items. eating food is a risk. you know what's a bigger risk? malnutrition.

the virus also has spike proteins; you know that, right?

(edit, also they weren't banned, they temporarily haulted them in most of those places while they investigated the VERY rare reactions)
 
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Electrum1 said:
Right. It was working perfectly fine with a Vax thread and a Covid thread, but they had to ruin it to make their mod jobs easier. Lazy!
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I think you're right. The problem is that we have one thread instead of two. It's not that no one here is willing to behave like adults.
 
Hannah Capps said:
Call me crazy
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there's a reason nobody is reporting about sports stars dying from a vaccine, because it isn't happening

you also claimed you knew 2 people who died from it? and an unborn baby?
 
Let’s see the numbers.. link it.. either side good lord. How many athletes have died from COVID or mysterious causes since this started.. well idk.. can’t be that many as I can’t come up with well, any.
 
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obviously all of the professional sports franchises that rely on their athletes for their revenue, and also are requiring their athletes to be vaccinated, must be part of a giant cover up. it makes so much fucking sense. like deepak chopra level of making sense.
 
This argument is 10 pages past the question but birdup asked if anyone changed their mind durring this covid event and yes I have.

I have had every vaccine I could before covid 19 and intended to get this vaccine as well. I will not now however but not due to the low efficacy or my belief in aliens or other such nonsense.

I wont get this vaccine because they have added a vaccine passport and id rather get shot in the head than have to discuss my medical situation with the kid at starbucks.

As for possible good vaccines Canada has one in the works I'd love to get it as soon as the passport restriction is removed and it does not show on any digital record.

If its important for me to get it for my health I'll order one delivered and take it on my own accord. Or shoot me but do it today because I don't care to be on this planet under totalitarian control.
 
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