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US Politics The Mueller Investigation - report is out

He got charged with a lesser crime because he is cooperating with investigators.
He will inform on trump.

I think the donald is in the shit.
 
Inform on what for who? There is just as good a chance this is the best Mueller can do. My understanding is this is all over calls in December, postelection. Wasn't this supposed to be an investigation on "collusion with russians" pre election, considering colluding isn't a crime...nor even a real description of anything.

I still have yet to understand what a Russian collusion is supposed to be. Speaking to the russians post election about sanctions and syria is not what "colluding to steal the election" is about. Considering the whole investigation spurs from a phoney dossier (golden showers in russia) paid for in part by the dnc....according to wapo...not a friend of trump...i just don't see any there, there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...6fabf0-b8e4-11e7-a908-a3470754bbb9_story.html
 
The whole investigation is based upon a phony dossier paid for in part by the clinton campaign (to russians) to influence the election. It is a sick miscarriage of justice.
 
I think Trump is a cretin but I wouldn't want to see him impeached because Mike Pence is a really creepy dude. He's basically a Christian fundie theocrat. If the House flips next year I would be content with Democrats just obstructing his agenda until we can vote him out of office.
 
so, when you snitch on a mafia guy, or turn police informant or whatever, they tend to have you "whacked", right?

do you think trump is going to have flynn et al knocked off?

what about when kushner rolls over? he's only his stepson i guess. does anybody know the protocol? :)
 
So what's the game plan when trump is exhonerated of all of these fake news Russia charges? A year and a half of the media talking about Russia. I'm guessing they will just pretend like it never happened, and parade out gloria allreds *®**®*®*e. Sad
 
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Why Is Mueller’s Trump/Russia Investigation Taking So Long?

Spoiler Alert: It Isn’t.

...Generally the suggestion is that if [Mueller] had anything, the investigation would be done by now. Any such rhetroic should place this investigation in the historical context of other Special Prosecutor investigations of Presidents. Like Ken Starr’s against Clinton and the investigation of Richard Nixon.

Mueller was appointed May 17th. So he has been at this for all of [7] 1/2 months. In that time he has culled an incredible staff of experts on these issues, crossed Trump’s “red line” against investigating his business finances, and convened the grand jury which has begun issuing subpoenas.

Ken Starr’s investigation of Bill Clinton, started in 1994 and did not end till 1998. It started to investigate the Whitewater scandal. In a couple of years it produced the convictions of former Clinton business partners Susan and Jim McDougal. Ken Starr in 1997 indicated he would end the investigation but continued it when the Monica Lewinsky matter entered into the investigation in early 1997. He submitted his report to Congress over a year later in September 1998.

The Lewinsky related investigation led to articles of impeachment being forwarded by the House to the Senate which voted to acquit the President. On one charge the vote 50–50, short of the 2/3s vote required for conviction.

Even then it did not end. Another Special Prosecutor, Robert Ray, was appointed who pursued these questions for yet another three years from 1999 to 2002. By the time this ended it dogged Clinton’s Presidency for the full eight years of his two terms. Let that sink in when you hear whining about how long the Trump investigation is taking.

Bottom line, the Starr investigation dragged on for four years. Even so, it had enough substance to it to lead to the impeachment of a President and tie vote in the Senate trial. As a final note, Jim McDougal died in prison. Susan McDougal was pardoned by Clinton as he left office.

Nixon’s is also a complex story, but the first Special Prosecutor, Archibald Cox, was appointed May 19, 1973... He was fired in the infamous “Saturday Night Massacre” on October 20, 1973. So he was on the job five months... and left the job with his work obviously uncompleted.

Leon Jaworski was appointed the new special prosecutor less than two weeks later on November 1, 1973. 6 1/2 months later on April 16, 1974 Jaworski subpoenaed the White House tapes. Nixon challenged the subpoena but on July 24, 1974 the challenge was defeated when the Supreme Court unanimously decided United States v. Nixon against him. About two weeks later Nixon resigned.

The total investigation of Nixon, under both Special Prosecutors, was roughly 15 months. Even then the investigation was not yet completed, having only had the crucial tapes for a couple of weeks. Yet, impeachment proceedings had already begun with the House Judiciary Committee voting to forward recommended Articles of Impeachment in the last few days of July 1974. Jaworski’s investigation was deemed moot by the resignation and dissolved on its own after that.

With that said, the investigation of Trump is complex. It involves numerous business dealings, arrangements, structures and finances that Trump has tried to conceal from the American people. In Nixon-esque fashion Trump has also engaged in efforts to interfere with the investigation, smear the investigators, and even intimidate Mueller with his “red line” comment that in context were combined with suggestions he could fire Mueller.

Mueller’s work actually appears to be moving fairly fast. Any suggestion it is “taking so long” lacks historical perspective. I think he should get at least a year before we are talking about it taking “so long.”
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Indictments against Trump associates Paul Manfort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, and George Papadopolous have been issued since the publication of this article. (History doesn't change). The latter two are cooperating witnesses.

Both times indictments were issued, Trump freaked out trying to distance himself. It was obvious that they blindsided Trump and his legal team.

Trump is deranged over this investigation and is trying desperately to discredit Mueller and his team. Too bad Mueller is like Trump kryptonite; he's going to tear Trump into tiny little pieces. His criminal activities will be fully explored.

Trump supporters are ignorant about history or don't care (or both). It's so :(

It's too bad this thread has become such a dumpster fire. There are so many interesting legal aspects to this case. Oh well. :\
 
But what crime is a russian collusion and the fact the whole investigation started due to a made up dossier paid for in part by.. ah yeah you heard it before, but it wont sink in.
 
Some of trump's cronies have already pleaded guilty.

Deny reality all you like, but this is a real investigation, and it's a real nightmare for trump.

It will be a triumph for democracy and humanity when the trump family falls from grace. I say "family" because this is where trump's nepotism will really haunt him; his sons and son-in-law are in deep, deep shit.

This is the reason we have prisons; it's where animals like trump belong.
Rapists like trump, also.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
But what crime is a russian collusion and the fact the whole investigation started due to a made up dossier paid for in part by.. ah yeah you heard it before, but it wont sink in.
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Exactly, this has turned around on them badly. While I don't think trump is squeaky clean, I doubt the Muh Russia narrative has any legs. They are popping these folks that hale hired that have worked in the swamp long before trump entered politics. If they were truly seeking what happened they would go talk to Mr assange.
 
cduggles said:
Why Is Mueller’s Trump/Russia Investigation Taking So Long?



Indictments against Trump associates Paul Manfort, Carter Page, Mike Flynn, and George Papadopolous have been issued since the publication of this article. (History doesn't change). The latter two are cooperating witnesses.

Both times indictments were issued, Trump freaked out trying to distance himself. It was obvious that they blindsided Trump and his legal team.

Trump is deranged over this investigation and is trying desperately to discredit Mueller and his team. Too bad Mueller is like Trump kryptonite; he's going to tear Trump into tiny little pieces. His criminal activities will be fully explored.

Trump supporters are ignorant about history or don't care (or both). It's so :(

It's too bad this thread has become such a dumpster fire. There are so many interesting legal aspects to this case. Oh well. :\
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Dumpster fire?

Why don't you be the change and present some of the many interesting legal aspects in the case?

Everyone else in here seems to be contributing quite nicely and assessing the FACTS. Well, everyone other than sj

spacejunk said:
so, when you snitch on a mafia guy, or turn police informant or whatever, they tend to have you "whacked", right?

do you think trump is going to have flynn et al knocked off?

what about when kushner rolls over? he's only his stepson i guess. does anybody know the protocol? :)
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What sort of nonsense is this?

spacejunk said:
He got charged with a lesser crime because he is cooperating with investigators.
He will inform on trump.

I think the donald is in the shit.
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Why would they make it so obvious that he is working with them

I don't think they charge people that they are working with but I dunno
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Why does it matter?

If the investigators acted in good faith, and in trying to verify or refute the initial evidence stumbled upon other crimes, does that mean we give people a free pass?
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A free pass at what? Nobody has found anything (related to trump "colluding")

There are serious questions about the investigators, there are reasons to question who was acting in good faith on his team. I am not POTUS but if I was being investigated because discredited opposition research paid for in part from his opponent lead to the investigation....it would seem like it matters.
 
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if he has nothing to hide then he has nothing to fear, right? if he fires meuller, regardless of the reasoning, he'll be looking at obstruction of justice charges and impeachment for sure. thats what brought down nixon, after all.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
A free pass at what? Nobody has found anything (related to trump "colluding")
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So far, in the course of the investigation, we've had two people charged and pleaded guilty to false statements as part of a plea deal, and two more charged and awaiting trial for charges including conspiracy against the United States and conspiracy to launder money.

Don't forget that the investigation isn't limited to Trump, but to collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. That includes far more people than Trump, and it has already lead to the aforementioned charges.

I suspect Trump's worry is less about collusion, and more about what else investigators may find during the investigation.
 
Morninggloryseed said:
A free pass at what? Nobody has found anything (related to trump "colluding")
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you have know way of knowing what the investigation knows. i think it will be some time, as the investigation proceeds, until we know the full story.

people call this a nothing burger. that’s what they want, not necessarily what it is.

alasdair
 
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