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"I feel more sorry for the thousands of Aboriginals, drug addicts, unemployed, abused children and wives who are being slowly screwed over because humanitarians feel that we should be spending more money on outside issues instead of cleaning up our own ‘backyard’."
YES!! yes we should! the government SHOULD be spending more money on these people in desperate need! the fact is that the current government DOESN'T spend enough on helping out its own citizens in need. but that doesn't make it any less true that we also have a responsibility to help a few refugees! money is not unlimited, but i'd rather pay 1% more tax and see less suffering in society.
and as Prometheus was saying to me yesterday, refusal to admit refugees has much deeper implications for our international relationships that many people realise. the costs could end up being worth much more than the savings from barring them all. i'm not advocating letting every man and his dog into Aus. i'm saying we need to evaluate their claims fairly before we turn them away.
and it's true that the ALP are also being bastards on the refugee issue.
 
oh and this is from the Opinion section of The Age (Melbourne), Wednesday 7/11, page 16.
Refugee policy dangerous for navy
I have just finished naval reserve service as a medical officer in the Australian Defense Force operations to deter suspected illegal immigrants around Christmas Island and Ashmore Reef, and I feel i must speak out.
These actions against boat people are morally wrong and despicable. I participated in the boarding, attempted removal and actual forced removal of suspected illegal immigrant vessels.
These actions are ineffective in deterring boat people from coming to Australia, and merely serve to harass, frighten and demoralise people who are already weak, vulnerable and desperate. Not only are these actions physically dangerous for members of the ADF but it is my expert opinion, as a senior consultant psychiatrist to the Royal Australian Navy, that they are highly likely to harm the psychological health and moral development of all members involved.
Nearly everyone I spoke to involved in these operations knew that what they were doing was wrong. The Australian Defence Force will always perform with skill and professionalism, but should not be asked to perform these reprehensible duties. The millions of dollars would be much better spent providing care.
How we deal with the boat people is the greatest moral question to face Australia in a generation. The hard-hearted who speak loudly about the need for stern deterrents have not seen the faces of the boat people in their miserable conditions, imploring us for help. We should show compassion and tolerance.
Duncan Wallace, Kirribilli, NSW
i think that guy sounds pretty well qualified to comment on the situation.
 
DQ said
i'd rather pay 1% more tax and see less suffering in society.
1% hey, well for a decent wage that would be $500 a year per head. Times by working years and you have $17500 we have shelled out each for some refugees i dont even know and will never see or get thanks for.. Personally id just rather a new bike... MMMM R1. But i guess im selfish.
 
DQ said
i'd rather pay 1% more tax and see less suffering in society.
1% hey, well for a decent wage that would be $500 a year per head. Times by working years and you have $17500 we have shelled out each for some refugees i dont even know and will never see or get thanks for.. Personally id just rather a new bike... MMMM R1.
Or 17500 that could have gone to superanuation so we dont have to keep pilliaging the government in later life.
But i guess im selfish.
 
i'm not advocating letting every man and his dog into Aus. i'm saying we need to evaluate their claims fairly before we turn them away.
Can i give a brief lesson in some recent world events?
Firslty - the immigrants/boat people/whatever they should be politcally correctly called are being processed. Do you think they are stored on Christmas Island or Nauru to be just left there? The UN and Australia's immigration department are there to determine the validity of applications.
Taking hostage a ship (yes thats what it was in my view) and forcing it towards Australia is not acceptable. Does anyone know the reason why they did this?
Indonesia's immigration policy is this, "if you are an unskilled refugee/immigrant and wish to enter our borders, please go and fuck yourself." Letting boatpeople land on our soil allows the boatpeople to dictate our immigration policy. We are in a better financial situation than indonesia, but as i have said many a time, if we wish to stay in a similar position, then letting in unskilled immigrants, migrants, boatpeople and refugees is not necessarily an answer. Several studies have been mis-quoted to state in effect that we need to allow boatpeople into the country to improve the economy. (One was takenout of the Economist i think) what was said in effect is "a country needs people to enter for its economy to grow." Like a lot of labor/left spin - it gets a nice ring to it when you demonise the right/liberals as racists/anti-refugee/anti-humanitarian. How can you defend yourself when all your opinions are shot down as racist? Everyone is entitled to an opinion (yes even one nation, even aboriginal groups, even your uncle bob) and by automatically trying to discount solutions as anti-humanitarian or racist IS playing the much-maligned race card at the election.
Another recent world event - a boat load of refugees heading for the coast of Italy were repeatedly warned by their navy to change course.. when they declined to co-operate, teh Italian Navy drove a fucking frigate through their boat.
And australian right's are such racist fucks.
Also, can somebody please provide some semblance of a solution to the issue rather than "let them in, we are heartless." That's not a solution that is useable, its an opinion backed by rhetoric.
I'm very scared if we get a labor government, the country will most likely go to absolute shit.
 
You want a solution Super!
Right, where to start....
Man, for starters you need to resolve the situation in the middle east.
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How do we even begin to achieve this when the USA insists on bombing the fuck out of Afghanistan, bankrolling Israel, turning a blind eye to the atrocities committed with this money and intervening unnecessarily whenever it's precious supply of oil is threatened.
The Middle East has experienced conflict for well over 2000 years. It's not an easy situation to resolve. And of course the current conflict in the Middle East is only the tip of the iceberg.
As for addressing the number of people from Afghanistan and Iraq who journey to countries like Australia in search of a better life (freedom from violence, hunger, religious and political persecution, access to education, equal rights etc. etc. etc), well, unless a dialogue is able to be established with the powers that be in these countries then these people are going to keep on coming. And really, can you blame them?
I mean, put yourself in their position for just a few minutes. Can you imagine what it must be like to experience what they are currently experiencing?
If you're anything like me, (privileged, middle class, white, educated, well travelled) you can't even begin to understand what it must be like to be so desperate for a better life that you are prepared to uproot your family and journey into the unknown with no guarantee that there is in fact somewhere or someplace that will accept you.
Have you NO compassion?
Considering the current 'war on terror', establishing a dialogue with the Taliban regarding managing the number of people fleeing Afghanistan and seeking refuge elsewhere is unlikely. In fact, it aint a happening thang.
In the meantime, how does our government insist on managing this situation? By escalating the terror, confusion, misery and heartache already being experienced by these people.
Bah!
The Liberal governments management of the situation (and the Labour Party's support for their actions) disgusts me.
Whatever happened to this country's tradition of giving people a fair go.
*Finn shakes her head and quitely sheds a tear at the injustice of it all*
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"The terra nullius of the Australian mind is alive and well and
nothing other than political leadership and effective community
education is likely to change that." Senator Aden Ridgeway - Speech to the UN, March 2001
 
Beautifully said, Finn.
I really wonder why "compassion" has become a dirty word....
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Can me cynical or heartless, but starting a 'dialogue' with Iraq/Iran/et al to seek a 'compassionate' solution is absolute crap.
Is the compassionate solution to let boat people in with lower immigration constraints than we currently do? This allows those countries and the people who control them to dictate our immigration policy. There are very very good reasons in favour of leaving their respective countries, but Australia cannot simply allow every single boatperson into the country.
To do the compassionate thing, that is what is required. What if a person is a taliban sympathiser? Should we let them in if they decide the heat in afghanistan/pakistan is too much? Can you imagne the current response an australian would recieve in their countries - the "kill on sight" command?
It is physically impossible for Australia to be a haven for all the boat people of the world. Yes, we have a large country, but the habitable areas only cover certain strips across the continent, i think people are fooled by the whole 18million people on a massive continent, we have plenty of room.
Large increases in the population by unskilled boatpeople, people who don't speak the language, who have nothing to offer other than cheap labour - put at its bluntest, will have what effect on our standards of living? The infrastructure cannot support untold numbers of refugees, society cannot operate against a tide of boatpeople.
Pakistan can cope with the situation to some degree of an influx of thousands of refugees. The differences between Pakistan and Australia are extremely large and numerous, but i think the reaons why they can do that and why we cannot should be blindingly obvious.
The current governmental stance may not be the most compassionate, but if you like your 1st world lifestyle, and the fact that you can whinge about how unfair it is what we are doing via the net, then its the only solution. What is happeniung is absolutely terrible and my heart genuinely goes out to the refugees, but Australia cannot become a dumping ground for people smugglers, nor can it allow every single person across our borders. Like socialism, the "other" side of the debate only works in theory.
 
"for those who've come across the sea, with boundless plains to share"
methinks if theyre gonna take such a hardline stance, they might consider changing the words of the national anthem.
good topic! great see so much opinion on this issue. and yeah i did read that article a few weeks ago. perhaps some people would like to read the democrats policy platform / suggestions on this issue here. it seems very reasonable and makes sense to me.
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motherfuckers better realize, now is the time to self actualize.
 
Mikey - i like the democrats, they have some good ideas
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. I like certain aspects of their plan, certain aspects i don't like.
The bail instead of madatory detention thing doesn't/won't work and i am opposed to, but the increase in quota and fulfiment of our treaty obligations i definately agree with.
As for shipping them for processing to Australia - the problem with this is NIMBY (Not In My Backyard) nobody wants a detention centre in their locality. Near where i live the issue has been abused by labor claiming that a detention camp will be build in a residential area. You aren't going to find anywhere (hospitidable) where people will support a detention centre.
The democrats have some good ideas, but the problem is they only are a small party, and although they will prob hold the balance of power, they can't implement much change - but i like that the major 2 parties have to take notice of their policies. Good suggestions though (I ain't really as right as my liberal-defending tendencies would suggest
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Supa said
Can me cynical or heartless, but starting a 'dialogue' with Iraq/Iran/et al to seek a 'compassionate' solution is absolute crap.
Why? Why is it crap? I understand that given the current situation in Afghanistan, the Taliban's attention is focused on other things; but why not attempt to establish a dialogue with Iraq and Iran?
Both are more stable politically than they have been for some time. Both have responsibilities to their citizens to ensure that basic human rights are being met. Both have responsibilities on a socio-political level to work with other nations to address the issue of people leaving their countries in search of a better life.
And, I'm sure that if the USA were to lift all sanctions on Iraq, and Iraq were to allow the international aid agencies to do the work that needs to be done, the quality of life of many Iraqi's would be greatly improved.
Is the compassionate solution to let boat people in with lower immigration constraints than we currently do? This allows those countries and the people who control them to dictate our immigration policy.
Who said anything about this? I don't think for a minute anyone is advocating that Australia allow just anyone to settle here. Obviously there have to be some parameters and criteria. Your statement that asylum seekers will end up dictating immigration policy sounds suspiciously like the rhetoric John Howard spouts each night on the news! Please! These people have no power whatsoever. If they did, they probably wouldn't be in the situation that they're in.
There are very very good reasons in favour of leaving their respective countries, but Australia cannot simply allow every single boatperson into the country.
Once again, no one is suggesting that Australia should accept 'every single boatperson'.
What if a person is a taliban sympathiser? Should we let them in if they decide the heat in afghanistan/pakistan is too much? Can you imagne the current response an australian would recieve in their countries - the "kill on sight" command?
hmmm... sounds to me like you've swallowed the government propaganda hook, line and sinker. The Taliban don't care about Australia. Their spokesmen barely even know where our country is.
Having said that, John Howard decided on our behalf to go to war against the Taliban - in support of the USA. If an Australian were to find him/herself in Afghanistan right now, then by definition, if they are military personnel, the Taliban have every right to 'kill [them] on sight' That's what happens when you are at war with another country.
It is physically impossible for Australia to be a haven for all the boat people of the world. Yes, we have a large country, but the habitable areas only cover certain strips across the continent, i think people are fooled by the whole 18million people on a massive continent, we have plenty of room.
This is a non-issue. No one is suggesting that Australia should become a haven for all of the world's displaced people.
Large increases in the population by unskilled boatpeople, people who don't speak the language, who have nothing to offer other than cheap labour - put at its bluntest, will have what effect on our standards of living?
This comment is offensive. What do you know about these people's skills, experience or qualifications. Are you seriously suggesting that every single person seeking asylum in Australia is unskilled? Come on!
The current governmental stance may not be the most compassionate, but if you like your 1st world lifestyle, and the fact that you can whinge about how unfair it is what we are doing via the net, then its the only solution.
What? What does my ability to voice my opinion about this situation over the internet have to do with anything, or my first world lifestyle for that matter? Supa - this arguement just doesn't cut it! You're clutching at straws mate!
The government's current stance is not the only solution. There are plenty of other strategies that could be employed. I haven't checked Mikey Sammy's link to the Democrat's website yet, but if you're genuinely interested in what these strategies are, you might find it a good place to start.
What is happeniung is absolutely terrible and my heart genuinely goes out to the refugees, but Australia cannot become a dumping ground for people smugglers, nor can it allow every single person across our borders. Like socialism, the "other" side of the debate only works in theory.
Oh please! Don't get me started.
Finn
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"The terra nullius of the Australian mind is alive and well and
nothing other than political leadership and effective community
education is likely to change that." Senator Aden Ridgeway - Speech to the UN, March 2001
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Finn said:
You want a solution Super!
Right, where to start....
Man, for starters you need to resolve the situation in the middle east.
HAHA, so now we are to resolve the worlds problems, otherwise we should accept illegal immagrants.?? The problems in the middle east do not stem from sanctions, or anything of the sort. They stem from the fact that the country and people are poor, and IMO, a great deal of war is related to religion.
As finn said
The Middle East has experienced conflict for well over 2000 years. It's not an easy situation to resolve. And of course the current conflict in the Middle East is only the tip of the iceberg.
If sanctions were lifted, this would not solve the problem. People like the taliban are greatly against "our way of life". They deplore the way people live in the west. This may be jealousy, or simply a religious belief.
As a generalization poor people cling to religion, as a way of having something to look forward to. I know this sounds harsh, but its true. If you live a shitty life, you can cling to a beleif that living is not the good bit, cos your just waiting to go where you will when you die, the wonderfull place described in which ever religion you beleive in.
hmm, ive realy lost where i was going with this now.. ERRR.
This comment is offensive. What do you know about these people's skills, experience or qualifications. Are you seriously suggesting that every single person seeking asylum in Australia is unskilled? Come on!
come on, you have to be kidding yourself if you think these people would be skilled. The large majority, if they are who the claim to be, would be unskilled. They struggle just to find food in these coutrys, im sure they dont have time to go down the the local net cafe and shine up their web page design skills.
I find the big problem i have with these boat people is that we dont know who they are.. They dispose of all identifying material. WHos to say they arn't terrorists.. It worry's me why they would dispose of this information in the first place. There no reason to , unless they wanted to hide who they are.
ANyway. erm. Im still voting Liberal. I believe they can run the counrty the best(finacially), and thats whats important, not all this other crap everyone is going on about.
PS LONG LIVE JEFF!
 
I will make my two cents ideologically void so that people may listen to me without picking an argument but rather leave you with something to think about. And for once it will be positive, this is Australia!
1. Vote! The ballot box may not seem like a heck of a lot of democracy, but to abstain from voting means you are going to be putting someone that isn't chosen by the sovreign of Australia into the reins. This is even less democracy. Political and apolitical, conservative and radicals can atleast play a part in the parliamentry process at the lowest denominator. It is up to you how far you want to take it, you can't blame the system on not listening to you if you don't tell the system the VERY least.
2. Vote for whom you feel best would govern Australia. Not voting for the two dominant parties may not ensure the party you will choose will win but they may hold a balance in power and/or the strength of non-winning parties determines the mandate the government has in making decisions which affect all of Australia. If you don't want party X to win, put party X at the end. If you feel party Y would show good leadership, choose party Y at the top of your preferences, etc.
3. Everybody should have the right to vote. Who is to say who is ignorant? Are we so perfect as to be knowledgable about everything? Do not the ignorant have the right to vote? Here is an idea: we are ignorant about certain things!! Yes it's true, I would say the majority of us do not know what it's like to be a struggling farmer, a newly arrivated refugee or a improvished rejected aboriginal - so you should all realise that theres always more than one point of view - that is the basis of democracy.
I hope I haven't preached too much, I've tried to keep this free of ideological bias. I read some of the selfishness and ignorance (because quite frankly, it is selfishness and ignorance, if you want me to tell you I will) peddled by people like supaseed and I get quite irate, but rather than push this kind of argument to boiling point I would rather you all decide for yourself what is to happen, atleast as far as tommorow goes.
-F.
 
I may very well be selfish and ignorant (i wouldn't go that far - i think that i'm moderately right-ish and decently informed), but if you honestly believe dialogues, lifting of sanctions, and an overwhelming support for refugee's to approach australia for asylum will work - then i don't know what to say.
Watching the world must be frustrating.
Fireal - i know your beliefs and i can imagine what you are thinking of my posts, but i ain't going to justify them again here - i'm definately a more semi-sensible approach than the "Pauline woulda blown those fuckers up" i heard today.
Finn - i read the Dem's - my post said i agree with some of their stuff.
Just a Q tho - what do we do with boat-people who we don't think are appropriate who arrive here? Or if there are more than the stipulated 18,000? Do you support deportation .. or what? Because it seem to me that that wouldn't be an option in some people's books - thus, everybody needs to be let in?
Meh i dunno, i guess the more you talk about this refugee thing, the more you leave yourself open to be labelled a racist and ignorant. I just don't agree with the view/s postulated here.
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Supa,
I just spent 10 minutes typing out a response to your question only to have my dial up connection drop out just as i was about to hit the sumbit button! grrrr
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In response to your question about deportation....
Have a look at this article from the Sydney Morning Herald. It's written by respected journalist Adele Horin. I've been interviewed by her before in relation to my work within the social welfare sector. I respect her opinion immensely. And... I kinda relate to how she feels.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/0111/10/opinion/opinion6.html
So... deportation. I agree with Adele Horin that taking a serious look at the number of people from countries overstaying their tourist/working visas is a good place to start when addressing this issue. If the laws are tightened up (and enforced) here, it may make some difference when it comes to the level of resources available to address the asylum seeker issue.
And it's a an approach that is a little bit more equitable and less hypocritical too
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As for the asylum seekers....
As I said in an earlier post in this thread, I too believe that there need to be paremeters and criteria set regarding the eligibility of people seeking asylum in this country. Of course I don't believe that it should be a free for all.
I do believe that people should be processed in this country and not be sent to the four corners of the pacific. I also believe that parts of Australia should be considered parts of Australia regardless of whether they happen to be a destination point for people seeking alsylum in this country. I'm referring specifically to Christmas Island and Ashmore Reef.
I believe that people seeking asylum should be processed as quickly as possible and that they should be allowed to stay in community based accommodation during the time it takes for this to occur.
I believe that if people seeking asylum are found not to be eligible for asylum they should then be returned to Indonesia or where ever it was that they came from before they commenced the final leg of their journey to Australia.
I believe that before this takes place they should be able to avail themselves of their right to appeal to the highest court in Australia regarding their case.
I believe that Australia should work closely with Indonesia and other Indo Pacific nations affected by this issue to work towards finding a solution. I believe that for this to occur John Howard is going to have to work very hard at establishing a working relationship with Megawati.
I also believe that this issue should be addressed by the United Nations so that countries like Afghanistan, Iraq and Iran are supported to work towards addressing the issues within their countries that are causing people to leave in such huge numbers.
Oh.. and I believe that the 'war on terror' should be stopped immediately.
So, there ya go. Probably a little bit more information that you were actually looking for :P
Cheers,
Finn
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"The terra nullius of the Australian mind is alive and well and
nothing other than political leadership and effective community
education is likely to change that." Senator Aden Ridgeway - Speech to the UN, March 2001
 
I may very well be selfish and ignorant (i wouldn't go that far - i think that i'm moderately right-ish and decently informed), but if you honestly believe dialogues, lifting of sanctions, and an overwhelming support for refugee's to approach australia for asylum will work - then i don't know what to say.
Dialogues would be a good start, the West seems only content to talk to Pakistan when they support the war on terror and not happy to talk to the Taliban when they are willing to negotiate. As for Howard, when he begins to realise that the grand nation-builder of White Australia is known to the rest of Asia-Pacific and respects cultural context, it is plausible to talk of attempted dialogue and not failed Liberal Party monologue (ie. 'Megawatti didn't speak to me, so I used some of the money supaseed talks of saving to buy a massive detention camp, its called Narau.')
It is not for me to promote the lifting of sanctions, it is for the advocates of sanctions to point to the good that they have done, ie. the way in which they have forced Hussein out of government, etc.
I don't support the refugee's approach for asylum to Australia, that is of course not in normal circumstances. If you want to go on believing your smug statements concerning due process than go ahead, we've passed that stage as we are bombing that very same nation that we have hardly any legitimate links with anyway. As for your analogies, well they are more than useless..
But do you really want to live in the slum-like conditions of calcutta, or in a situation like pakistan, where afghani refugees are gathering by their millions?
Calcutta? Australia has 19 million people. India has over 1 billion. Where of a sudden will these 900 million people come from? At a less exaggerated level, how will these hundreds of thousands people come from? Jumbo jets? Or ships like the one that only held 350 and sunk?
As for Pakistan (and India) they are right on the border of Afghanistan, Australia is in a much different condition. I never saw millions of Kosovar's allowed in the country when they were allowed to obtain refugee status.
Yes, your comments are petty, selfish and ignorant.
Meh i dunno, i guess the more you talk about this refugee thing, the more you leave yourself open to be labelled a racist and ignorant. I just don't agree with the view/s postulated here.
It seems those who cry "race card" are those same ones who claim the "victim card" ('you called me racist, now I am autmoatically right!').
Everybody can play your sarcastic game: Look, that guy used the word racist, he must be a left winged-transexual-gay-black anti-colonialist-university-student-lesbian-crack-whore, unlike us normal types who realise that war is vital to peace and peace vital to making sure that refugees aren't flooding the country side with the koran in one hand and a intifada stone in the other.
To most that shit is just empty rhetoric - if you are serious about expressing strong contentious opinions don't be such a bitch about it!
-F.
 
F - On a world stage, Australia becomes the bitch of either the US or the UK. More so, we are at the mercy of the US. It isn't about the ANZUS treaty, or our moral obligations.. it's what they have the ability to do to us if they stopped giving us healthy trade deals.
Unfortunately or not, we pretty much have to support the line the US adopts, even though 150 troops doesn't mean shit in the scheme of things, it's symbolic, and shows we are on the 'good' side. I think fence-sitting at a time when the US is fuckin pissed isn't in our best interets. That said, that affects our foreign relations.
Whoever is in office will have countries that are muslim, or anti-conflict or both. Indo is the 2nd largest muslim country in the world... and they are pissed. There affront to their religion is the same as the affront to our way of life. By deploying troops and supporting the US (IMHO the ony thing we could do - there were other options, but this served Aust's self interests the best - not most humanitarian, but it'll keep us in better stead for the future) it may have made us the 'enemy' of muslim states.
Howard playing the battle in the media was fucking stupid - that i agree to, but i think a similar outcome would have occurred with a labor govt.
So, the problem now is - Indo is pissed, what to do? I would hope that Howard does attempt some reconcile from Megawati, although it will need to be more symbolic than a phone call and have true feeling. I'm of the opinion that yes, howard may have strained relations, but he has a better chance of fixing them (i mean 6yrs previous dealing with indo) than a new prime minister who hasn't dealt with indo trying to establish new relations.
Now the refugees - the fact is boats with a couple of hundred on them are arriving weekly from Indo.. if you aren't a muslim supporter in Indo, or perhaps don't agree with the vox pop, then you might be lookin to leave. By all means if things are hairy in indo leave. But i want a govt that will restrict the numbers that enter, that will have a policy that actually deters not convinces people from coming to aust without good refugee reasons, and one where i feel that they have been appropriately processed. Nauru isn't appropriate, and i hope that Howard has realised the pressure he is under to change from several quarters... but i prefer a conservative approach.
Munk - the quote is a good one, but here's the harsh reality of the world - what we have is built on the backs of others. Whether they be people in a worse economic situation than ourself in our country, or in abhorent conditions OS, that's how it works. I agree we don't have a right to 'lord it over' the rest of the world, or even those less fortunate in our own country.
It is genuinely fucked that the world works that way, but a lot of people, myself included, like the life they lead, and where it is headed, and in some ways value what they have over the world's problems. You could lie awake every night crying to sleep if you think about all the atrocities in the world, or you can get on live your life and give something back. As i'm a shit-poor student at the moment, my donations are small, but once i start full-time work, i intend to have a sponsor child/ren donate to local charities etc. Money speaks louder than objections in my book.
That's not how i think though - that by my position i should give nothing back, i'm a firm believer in donations, and work done for charity. I'm currently doing law, and when i finish i am considering donating my time to legal aid one day a week and doing pro bono work. This may not make me the richest man in the world, or solve the world's problems, but i believe it does a lot to help your local community, which i place over other communities.
As for solving 'global' problems, it's genuinely something that is out of our hands, at the election, i didn't see much well-thought out policy at all (from major 2 parties), and it makes me think that both sides of the spectrum need a kick up the ass. Being a politician though (apart from the super
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So in answer to the quote, i don't really know what to say - i agree with it, but i place local over global to a degree, and i think things in Aust need a major change-up (not necessarily in party leaderships or ideology, just in policy decisions).
Sunflower - i know the situations in a hospital, i work in one.. they are not good. The solution to the nursing problem tho, i really can't see. People don't want to become nurses because of the poor conditions and pay, and those that do get a lifetime of stress. To solve the crisis, some innovative thinking is needed, not necessarily money thrown at the hospitals, because in an industry like healthcare having too much money wouldn't benefit the nurses, the dickheads who run public hospitals would find some stupid way to pilfer it away.
Looking at better uni retention rates, offering a 1/4 - 1/2 HECS reduction after working 2 years full time as nurse, possibly giving a "nurse deduction" on income, etc i really don't know.
 
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