drug_FUCKED
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Well maybe i will make a new thread once i have done some experimentation with it. I am thinking about getting an oxygen tank, mask and regulator to do very safe and accurate experiments
Miscellaneous The Little and Obscure Carbogen Thread
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Shambles
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Go ahead and use this one by all means. As you said - no need to have multiple threads on the same subject. Think the comment made about the date of the OP was in reference to post #17 which seems to be addressed to the OP who is unlikely to see it was all. Not that that matters either really. As long as you're all talking about the same subject that this thread was started for (which you are) then it makes sense to use it 
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Having never tried I still think I can honestly say that the experience will be nothing like mescaline. Most reports seem to indicate that it's more akin to a panic attack than anything else. Certainly not like a serotogenic or NMDA hallucinogen altho panicky states can be reached with those drugs I dont see this as having recreational potential and I think alot of the patients that had these "mescal" visions were actually skitzo.
pharmakos
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nanobrain's old link to Stolaroff is broken, but here's another one... he seems to convey that his experiences were indeed visionary, and not just panicy/anxious.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=80817
for those not in the know, Stolaroff was one of the pioneers of psychoactive/psychedelic psychotherapy and was in fact one of Shulgin's crew members back in the day.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=80817
for those not in the know, Stolaroff was one of the pioneers of psychoactive/psychedelic psychotherapy and was in fact one of Shulgin's crew members back in the day.
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Yeah, I was just responding to TheAzo who criticized the word choice of the OP. His criticism was perfectly accurate, but a few years too late for him to get a response 
It's perfectly fine to use this thread to discuss any experiments with carbogen. I still definitely don't recommend it. If you do try it, please triple-check the oxygen levels and have a sitter who can remove the mask after a while or if you lose consciousness. It'll be hard for a sitter to tell if there's a problem with the oxygen levels until you pass out, though, because the effect you're simulating basically *is* severe oxygen deficiency. You will act just like someone who is not getting any oxygen and no matter how fast you breathe it will feel like you're not breathing enough.
For most people, these negative feelings will intensify and trigger a panic attack. Stolaroff's trip report is very atypical. Any altered state is probably pleasant to _someone_ out there but the overwhelming majority of people who have experienced carbogen have done so in therapy with the goal of inducing severe panic. That's by far the most common response.
It's perfectly fine to use this thread to discuss any experiments with carbogen. I still definitely don't recommend it. If you do try it, please triple-check the oxygen levels and have a sitter who can remove the mask after a while or if you lose consciousness. It'll be hard for a sitter to tell if there's a problem with the oxygen levels until you pass out, though, because the effect you're simulating basically *is* severe oxygen deficiency. You will act just like someone who is not getting any oxygen and no matter how fast you breathe it will feel like you're not breathing enough.
For most people, these negative feelings will intensify and trigger a panic attack. Stolaroff's trip report is very atypical. Any altered state is probably pleasant to _someone_ out there but the overwhelming majority of people who have experienced carbogen have done so in therapy with the goal of inducing severe panic. That's by far the most common response.
drug_FUCKED
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Yeah i going to have oxygen tank and regular and all that setup.
I have had mescaline many times and i expect it to be nothing like it. I think it wont be very good at all. But worth exploring it with nitrous to make it more enjoyable and maybe a GABA drug to help reduce the panic state. But its not wise to try and go against your body's survival instincts but this is how many things are achieved like holding ones breath long while swimming under water.
I have had mescaline many times and i expect it to be nothing like it. I think it wont be very good at all. But worth exploring it with nitrous to make it more enjoyable and maybe a GABA drug to help reduce the panic state. But its not wise to try and go against your body's survival instincts but this is how many things are achieved like holding ones breath long while swimming under water.
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It seems that carbogen is not very popular. I'm a little surprised more people haven't tried it. It's not like CO2 and O2 are hard to find.
I've done carbogen a few times recently. I don't have gas breathing equipment, but I made some carbogen the ghetto way. I filled an upside-down plastic storage bin with water and bubbled 3 liters of CO2 and 7 liters of oxygen into it. I breathed the gas through a rubber hose.
As expected, the gas was very unpleasant to breathe. The feeling of suffocation is immediate and it takes a lot of focus and willpower to not take breaths of fresh air. I'm not sure it's fair to call carbogen a panicogen though. I mean, it does cause a panicky feeling, but it seems like more of a physical reaction than a true feeling of fear. It isn't like a bad trip. Relief comes pretty quickly once you start breathing fresh air.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to have a full on hallucinatory experience like the trip reports talk about because of my set up. 10 liters of carbogen is only about 6 breaths. It still is a pretty intense feeling at that dose. You start feeling disoriented and your vision becomes fuzzy and bright, a little bit like when you are out of shape and run for as long as you can, or if you get dizzy upon suddenly standing up. There is a bit of a euphoric feeling, but also a sick feeling. Overall, I'd have to say it feels bad, but not terrifying. It does seem a little bit psychedelic, but really it's more like passing out. The first time I did it I noticed some visual effects that reminded me a bit of a traditional psychedelic, but the most recent time I mostly just felt dizzy. Maybe there is some kind of tolerance effect.
The intense part of the experience is pretty short lived, maybe only a minute or so, but afterwards I feel pretty weak and tired for maybe an hour. During that time I can't help but feel paranoid that I could have damaged my brain or something. I feel completely normal later, but still, using carbogen feels sketchy to me. I probably won't do carbogen again, even though I am still a little curious about what it does at a higher dosage.
I've done carbogen a few times recently. I don't have gas breathing equipment, but I made some carbogen the ghetto way. I filled an upside-down plastic storage bin with water and bubbled 3 liters of CO2 and 7 liters of oxygen into it. I breathed the gas through a rubber hose.
As expected, the gas was very unpleasant to breathe. The feeling of suffocation is immediate and it takes a lot of focus and willpower to not take breaths of fresh air. I'm not sure it's fair to call carbogen a panicogen though. I mean, it does cause a panicky feeling, but it seems like more of a physical reaction than a true feeling of fear. It isn't like a bad trip. Relief comes pretty quickly once you start breathing fresh air.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to have a full on hallucinatory experience like the trip reports talk about because of my set up. 10 liters of carbogen is only about 6 breaths. It still is a pretty intense feeling at that dose. You start feeling disoriented and your vision becomes fuzzy and bright, a little bit like when you are out of shape and run for as long as you can, or if you get dizzy upon suddenly standing up. There is a bit of a euphoric feeling, but also a sick feeling. Overall, I'd have to say it feels bad, but not terrifying. It does seem a little bit psychedelic, but really it's more like passing out. The first time I did it I noticed some visual effects that reminded me a bit of a traditional psychedelic, but the most recent time I mostly just felt dizzy. Maybe there is some kind of tolerance effect.
The intense part of the experience is pretty short lived, maybe only a minute or so, but afterwards I feel pretty weak and tired for maybe an hour. During that time I can't help but feel paranoid that I could have damaged my brain or something. I feel completely normal later, but still, using carbogen feels sketchy to me. I probably won't do carbogen again, even though I am still a little curious about what it does at a higher dosage.
