Benzos the least harmful way to IV midazolam in pill form?

[Dr_F]

First off, I want to acknowledge the inherent dangers of IV’ing ANY pills; pills are made to be swallowed, not shot, and contain many dangerous, potentially life threatening fillers. Moreover, in regards specifically to shooting benzodiazepines, it is not only dangerous but a waste of your time as, with few exceptions, most benzos are: a) insoluble in water; and b) have a very high (90%+) bioavailability when taken orally. Midazolam is an exception to both a and b as its both soluble in water and the oral BA is around 30%, intranasal around 55%, and IM around 90% (at least, these are the numbers I remember from the BL bioavailability mega thread, they may be a bit of as I may be confusing them with the BA for buprenorphine).

Please note that I have in fact used the search feature as well as the advanced search feature. However, I’ve not found the detailed information for which I’m looking.

It's been a year since I IV'ed Dormicum (midazolam). Prior to doing so, I scoured the internet to find the *least* harmful way (any method is harmful, but this is harm reduction, not harm elimination). If I remember correctly, it was on BL that I found the advice to first use alcohol swaps to remove the blue coating from the pills.

IV’ing midazolam in pill form is something I do very rarely (hell, it’s been a year!). However, taken orally I get little to no effects; insufflated I get effects, yet it burns worse than ANYTHING I’ve ever snorted! Plus, I can snort 30mg or so, then my sinuses clog up completely and I can snort no more. Not only does IV have a higher BA without the burn, but it gives a euphoric rush. My benzo tolerance is unfortunately high; a year ago when I was shooting I shot 30mg or so at a time and took around 120mg diazepam daily. However, over the last year I’ve gotten my tolerance down to 3mg clonazepam daily (the diazepam equivalent of 60mg). Thus, I WILL dose accordingly and start small to be safe (or at least safer)

Finally, on to my question: The current method that I know is to take several pills, remove the blue coating with alcohol swaps, and let them dry thoroughly. I then crush them thoroughly, add filtered water (apparently one must have a prescription to get sterilized water here!), filter with cotton and inject. (Unfortunately, there are no needle exchanges at all in the rather non-progressive area in which I live; I’ve looked into ordering a micron wheel filter, but ended up not doing so as at the time I quit IV’ing and, even after reading up online, still had some confusion about their use).

So, is the above method at least *somewhat* sound? I know a micron filter would be preferable and I plan on trying to order one now (advice regarding this would be much appreciated). What about using the filtered water I’m using? I used to use saline solution (the NON cleaning type for contacts) but read that water was better. BTW, the water is from my Brita pitcher in the fridge, which I pour into a sterile container and allow to warm to room temperature before using. Clearly I shouldn’t be heating the mixture prior to filtering…. right?

Any help/tips/advice is GREATLY appreciated

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Micron Filtering Mega Thread

Follow these steps, instead prefilter them with cotton first, then use a micron filter.

And instead of Suboxone pills use Dormicum (they have 7.5mg or 15mg of midazolam per pill).

You can shoot them without cottons but trust me, you will want to use a micron filter unless you only have like 1 pill or something.

 

[Dr_F]

Thank you for your (amazingly quick!) reply

I was unclear about this statement:

And instead of Suboxone pills use Dormicum (they have 7.5mg or 15mg of midazolam per pill).

My thread was about IV midazolam in pill form (15mg Dormicum, I don't use the 7.5mg pills as they're the same size, thus half the active ingredient much more filler). I'm actually on Suboxone maintenance, which has allowed me to live a much more normal life; the little fun I may have with midazolam truly is sporadic, as Suboxone eliminates the cravings I would otherwise have for any and all drugs 24/7.

EDIT: I GET IT. I must be high. Sorry, hadn't thoroughly read the guide b/f posting my thank you response. You clearly meant "Use this procedure except use your Dormicum pills rather than the Suboxone pills in the example."

It's interesting, I replied to a post 13 months ago on how to IV buprenorphine and stated something along the lines of, "Great, this is going to ruin it for those of us whose lives have been changed by this drug, draw more attention to it and potentially get it bumped up from Schedule III in the US to Schedule II." The OP flamed me, yet the moderator defended me and replied with the BL policy re: the discussion of abusing Suboxone/Subutex or methadone maintenance programs. I was reading the updated and re-formatting posting guidelines, etc. and was quite pleased to see this policy so explicitly spelled out

I will definitely get a micron filter. It's against policy to say, "I have x number of pills!" However, suffice it to say that I used to shoot 3-4 15mg pills at a time. Probably a lot of filler

 

[Breathe]

Dormicum sounds like a European name for what I know to be Remeron.. Online pharm, perhaps?

 

[wook]

remeron in so call should be mirtrazapine(sp?), its an old TCA i believe, makes you really tired

dormicum are 15mg pills of midazolam and are water soluble

 

[Breathe]

^ oops wrong chemical, my bad..

Mirtazapine.. ah damn I hates that stuff. Sleep for days, wake and sleep again for 3 more days.

 

[Dr_F]

yes, mirtazapine crappy, midazolam euphoric if IV'ed

simply looking at my OP and that I used to shoot 3-4 15mg pills at a time

beware of tolerance, both to middy as well as cross-tolerance with other benzos.

I know I found my "perfect dose" in Feb. this year, 150mg in a 10ml syringe, 2-4 times a day for 3 or so days, idk, simply used till i ran out

at the time, 150mg IV was pure euphoria (hell, for anesthesia, the primary use of middy in the US, docs start at 7.5mg IV) and although pure euphoria lost consciousness within 60 seconds at most

that was february, although have been on (scripted too) benzos for years, really let tolerance go crazy in the last month, got a bunch of Dorm in, decided to do multiple shots to maintain euphoria without losing consciousness (you can also do a VERY slow inject if enough solution, but if nodding out don't want needle tearing at ur vein)

so tolerance goes up, whereas it was 150mg then unconscious (FYI: this is a fine line, I would NOT suggest other people do what I have done, walkin a razor between life and death, ESP. if you add other depressents in particular barbs)

well, this time 150mg, a huge dose already, didnt knock me out...
and b/c middy is SO damn good that you WILL want another shot right away, I figured why bother I simply made a large solution in a vial kept in fridge (thank you CH for the ideas ) and tried 150mg, had to do 3 back to back 150mg shots to feel good.....

my point is, BE CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF!!!

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Glad to hear you're having fun with midazolam!

Yeah, it's retarded to think they'll move Suboxone up to CII, because Subutex is CII and there is no difference between the two.

150mg is a huge dose though, I would typically only need 2mg IV for a decent rush.

And also yeah you understood me correctly that's what I meant, lol.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I figured why bother I simply made a large solution in a vial kept in fridge (thank you CH for the ideas ) and tried 150mg, had to do 3 back to back 150mg shots to feel good..... my point is, BE CAREFUL WITH THIS STUFF!!!

whoa man, be careful with that kind of dosing even with such a tolerance. especially don't go adding any other CNS depressants into the mix, ie - opiates, alchol

 

[Dr_F]

whoa man, be careful with that kind of dosing even with such a tolerance. especially don't go adding any other CNS depressants into the mix, ie - opiates, alchol

I've since gotten my tolerance down to baseline....

regardless, that is a huge amount for anyone to use, as I said "walking the razor's edge"

I'm on Suboxone already, so there's one depressant albeit one with a ceiling...

If you are chasing that middy dragon, I'd suggest putting away/hiding any and all other CNS depressants. For example, I've used one of my gun cases- I keep them locked with combination locks.
Not only do I not think to go looking for anything else, but there's this odd phenomenon that while high on a drug prefered for anesthia for the fact that it causes retrograde amnesia, I can't remember the combos to my locks

The reason I say to hide other CNS depressants is that I OD'ed (no ER, I was alone, thank god I lived) on the last day of a long binge- one would think 150mg midazolam would be weaker, when in fact it just about killed me.

Why? I was an idiot (I tend to be when semi-conscious for several days). I received a delivery I'd been waiting on, a plethora of hypnotic benzos, etc. I could hardly even i.d. the pills, yet was dumb enough to swallow four 100mg phenobarbital.
I passed out with about half a ml left in a 10ml rig. I woke up (far from a gaurantee) some 16 hours later- feet still on the floor, I was sitting on my bed and had simply fallen straight back

It will be a while before I fuck with midazolam again- or pheno for that matter, that's another story but basically I found that I liked taking 300mg every 3 days... hint, tolerance rises QUICKLY

 

[Deluded]

Not that I care because I bought enough of this stuff online to do myself for the rest of my life a while back, but midazolam is already starting to get noticed as a drug of injection abuse, you willl see it disappear online. Theres more online pharmacys selling benzos then there are porn sites, but just like true jelly babes, it will disappear. Stock up while you can........

OP- I wish I had the balls to i.v midazolam, but with the amount of dilaudid (prescribed) I take, I wouldn't dare. I enjoy my se><y gf, my cats, money,and dillies too much to croak.

 

[Dr_F]

response to above post; 1st Experience with IV Middy at Doc's, No Tolerance, Loved It

^^^^
Yep, I've literally watched it disappering over the last 2 years- as I said, the 7.5mg and 15mg Dormicum pills are the same size, thus I greatly prefer (and so far have exclusively used) the 15mg ones since less filler compared to amount of midazolam.
The 7.5mg are still out there, yet when it comes to the 15mg there are now only two sources of which I know, one is prohibitively expensive, the other is actually a great price yet unpredictable service.

I won't stock up on them because I simply haven't the self-control... whereas I can have a stock of 1,000 diazepam and take it instead of my (non-euphoric, few effects period) scripted clonazepam anywhere from 0 to 10 days out of a month tops, I cannot do the same with midazolam... hell, I can save temazepam, my second favorite and IMO quite euphoric benzo, for as long as I want.
Yet midazolam, at least once I taught myself to IV (for the sole purpose of IV'ing middy, whereas I imagine most ppl first IV dope, meth, etc.), I can't just keep around. If I get 90 15mg pills and let's call that 9 really good, really strong and potentially dangerous/fatal shots , I'll either do all 90 in a 3 day binge or space it out, but even spaced out it won't last me more than 2 weeks at the most 3

For those reasons, I would advise anyone, like yourself, who hasn't IV'ed midazolam (or for that matter IV'ed anything) not to do it. It may just be me, as I truly love the feeling...

It's been 4 months since my last binge; although sources are drying up I may, at most, get 90, but that's it as it's one drug that is simply too tempting... I've found that being on Suboxone kills my cravings not just for opioids, but for cocaine, midazolam, etc.- however, if I have middy, the cravings exist

My First Time:

When I was 12 and had zero tolerance I had my wisdom teeth removed, they had a mainline in and were giving me (I later learned) shots of midazolam, I would imagine 7.5mg each. The doc gave me the first one, I didn't flinch, he said "well you're a big boy" and gave me a second shot, then looked perplexed/concerned when that did nothing, it wasn't until the fourth shot that I went under.

I vividly remember waking up once and trying to scream (my mouth was held open) before going back under, I felt in between sleep and wakefulness and felt as if I perhaps I came to more than once.

After the surgery, the doc said, "Boy, do you know how much money we just pumped into your veins? It took 4 shots just to get you under to start, then you woke up five times and we had to put you back under!"

I remember slurring my speech, cursing and stumpling around yet the most memorable part was the euphoria %) I wanted to experience that feeling again... well I got the chance a little over a decade later.

It's as if I have an "innate" tolerance, not just to middy but just about everything else as well

 

[Captain.Heroin]

LOL Wow, what a tolerance!!! I personally have only used 2mg IV and probably like twice that but that's about it, I typically would keep it to 2mg IV max.

Sounds like you had a lot of fun Dr. F! For harm reduction purposes though it's important to point out that it's probably best to micron filter dormicum tablets before IVing them, and also that you want to start out slowly because it's a very potent benzo.

 

[dimethyltrypt]

Yeah, definitly start out slow. I have rarely, if ever, heard of anyone topping my incredibly unsafe and shameful benzo tolerance. But you sir, are certainly a contender.

 

[Dr_F]

BE CAREFUL both with midazolam and IV'ing any pills!

Yeah, definitly start out slow. I have rarely, if ever, heard of anyone topping my incredibly unsafe and shameful benzo tolerance. But you sir, are certainly a contender.

^^^^^^ Must be the only thing at which I've "won" yet am not the least bit proud
And you took the words right out of my mouth- my benzo tolerance is “incredibly unsafe and shameful.”

I was clean for a number of years; then, during one of the most stressful periods of my life, eventually I turned to alcohol... however, booze is truly a shitty drug. Thus, I switched to diazepam to “cure” myself. Some cure that was 8)

I’m anal retentive to the max in that, for two years now, I’ve kept a damn Excel spreadsheet of my use! I do so to make sure I don’t run out of drug x or y as well as to calculate the average intake of drug x or y for a given month. It also calculates how much I spend both daily and monthly on non-scripted, “self-prescribed” meds

My benzo intake varies as when I binge on hypnotics it spikes, yet I’ve managed to (for the most part) keep it between the diazepam equivalent (d.e.) of 60mg/day (which equals my scripted clonazepam) and 110mg/day. (That’s a monthly average, obviously when I was slamming midazolam it was much higher those days). These are not, I repeat NOT safe, advisable, or even desirable intake levels of benzos.

The only reason I was scripted clonazepam (no recreational value IMO, which is a good thing) is that when I first entered Suboxone treatment I was taking the d.e. of 240mg/day ; actually, at the time it was almost exclusively diazepam that I was taking, I began with 20mg diazepam a day as my “alcoholism cure” and within 9 months was taking 12 times that daily
(Not to defend myself, but this was all in the midst of serious environmental stressors, during which I was expected to somehow function and act as if everything was okay... I SUCK at that part).

Thus, my benzo use is HIGHLY UNSAFE as well as not even desirable- imagine tapering off that (gets chills)- yet for me personally staying between 60 and 110mg/day as a monthly average is, well, harm reduction in a sense… again, that’s only for me personally, and I only dare qualify it as harm reduction not as a rationalization for use but rather that keeping the spreadsheet and setting limits has kept me from taking 3 to 4 times plus that amount of benzos for 2 years.

Now, clearly the “spikes” in my benzo intake due to hypnotic use, in particular IV midazolam, are the antithesis of what I’m trying to do harm reduction wise re: keeping my benzo tolerance in check. Moreover, the amounts are INSANE.

I concur fully with CH and the poster above; if you’ve read this far, scroll back up as CH replied to my OP with a link to the Micron Filtering Mega Thread. If you’re going to be slamming pills, I highly encourage you to use a micron filter. As I said in another thread I created that involves slamming pentazocine pills:

I would like to say, in all sincerity, not just a disclaimer or “shooting pills is dumb,” but rather if you’re going to IV pills, at the minimum, I urge you to: read the Micron Filtering FAQ- if you don’t have access to a micron filter, at least do better than a spoon and q-tip or god forbid cigarette filter, plus the FAQ demonstrates good sanitation practices; read the It Could Happen to You thread so that you know the inherent dangers of shooting pills; and finally, know what the inactive ingredients are in the specific pill that you’re shooting- they’re far from “equal,” e.g. I personally would never shoot anything that’s designed as extended-release, what comes to mind as really bad is ER morphine.

The title of this thread is, “the least harmful way to IV midazolam in pill form” NOT the MOST HARMFUL way… I’m grateful to CH for his initial reply, as my knowledge of micron filters at the time was fuzzy at best; the Micron Filtering Mega Thread is like a “guide for dummies” yet is detailed and I believe truly anyone can understand and more importantly PRACTICE the process.

I want to stress that the ONLY reason I posted the amounts of midazolam that I IV’ed is to emphasize how quickly tolerance can rise and just how dangerous it can be!
That’s why I love BL as it’s a harm reduction site NOT a dick-sizing-look-how-much-I-took site 8)

I first started with 30 to 60mg IV midazolam…. However this is NOT A SAFE STARTING DOSE FOR ANYONE! Even if you have experience swallowing or snorting midazolam, remember that the bioavailability is only about 35% oral and 55% snorted… thus, if you’re used to snorting 30mg of Dormicum (2-3 15mg pills is the most I could ever get up my nose, it burns worse than anything I’ve ever snorted), that DOES NOT mean you should (after filtering with a micron) IV 30mg! IV’ing midazolam is roughly three times stronger than swallowing it and twice as strong as snorting it, so be EXTRA CAREFUL!

150mg was an extremely dangerous and POTENTIALLY FATAL dose as I was unconscious within 30 to 60 seconds max… and the time I was dumb enough to add a depressant I OD’ed! A few months later, it took me 150mg shots every minute or two to maintain a buzz… Again, NOT “dick-sizing,” rather pointing out that you need to be careful fucking with this stuff!

I’d also like to stress that when I recounted my first experience with IV middy in a hospital setting, I did NOT do so to glorify it, but rather to illustrate that, at least for me, even in a legitimate medical context I obtained a high that I wanted to chase

To reiterate from a post above:

(FYI: this is a fine line, I would NOT suggest other people do what I have done, walkin a razor between life and death, ESP. if you add other depressents in particular barbs)

I was playing with my life, I certainly would not suggest that others “walk a razor between life and death” as I’m lucky I didn’t end up dead



To Summarize:

If you insist on injecting pills, I strongly suggest you use a micron filter.
At the minimum, I urge you to:
Read the Micron Filtering Mega Thread- if you don’t have access to a micron filter yet insist on injecting, at least do better than a spoon and q-tip or god forbid cigarette filter, plus the FAQ demonstrates good sanitation practices;
Read the It Could Happen to You thread so that you know the inherent dangers of shooting pills;
Know what the inactive ingredients are in the specific pill that you’re shooting- they’re far from “equal.”

Regarding midazolam specifically:

START AT A LOW DOSE. I would suggest what Captain.Heroin said he’s used, which is 2mg. Remember that even for anesthesia they only use 7.5mg.
If you have prior experience with midazolam using a different ROA, know that IV’ing midazolam is roughly three times stronger than swallowing it and twice as strong as snorting it, so be extra careful, as you can always use more but never undo what you’ve taken.
Clearly, I have a compulsive and “addictive personality.” Regardless, I find IV midazolam to be particularly addictive (not so much with the other ROAs, although tolerance rises quickly regardless).
Alprazolam is known to be one of the more potentially “addictive” benzos: that is, it has a high addiction potential, meaning that it has a quick onset and fairly short duration of action (elimination half-life 6-12 hrs).
Well, if you IV midazolam, the onset is essentially instant; furthermore, the half-life of midazolam is a mere 1.8-6 hrs. The only other benzos with such a short duration of action of which I know are triazolam and brotizolam; however, the fact that middy is water soluble and thus can be IV’ed with water gives it a very high addiction potential.

This is not kid’s stuff, it’s hospital knock-you-out-and-remember-nothing shit, thus it’s use as an analgesic.

BE SAFE… if you’re dead you can’t have fun using drugs

---Faust


Also, to reiterate what CH already said above: If you're going to shoot midazolam in pill form (Dormicum), you want to be sure and PRE-FILTER the pills with cotton before using a micron filter. I find the optimal way is to wipe the blue coloring off each pill with an alcohol swab (less filler, plus sanitizes if someone else has touched them ), crush, backload into syringe and shake until dissolved, then run the solution through a needleless syringe stuffed with cotton balls... You'll have a much, much clearer solution with less particulates so you won't have any problems running it through a micron
(I once had a Serbian brand name midazolam, they're white without the blue removable coating- however I swipe any pill I'm going to put into my veins with an alcohol swap for sanitation purposes).

 

[helpmepasstime]

First off, I want to acknowledge the inherent dangers of IV’ing ANY pills; pills are made to be swallowed, not shot, and contain many dangerous, potentially life threatening fillers. Moreover, in regards specifically to shooting benzodiazepines, it is not only dangerous but a waste of your time as, with few exceptions, most benzos are: a) insoluble in water; and b) have a very high (90%+) bioavailability when taken orally. Midazolam is an exception to both a and b as its both soluble in water and the oral BA is around 30%, intranasal around 55%, and IM around 90% (at least, these are the numbers I remember from the BL bioavailability mega thread, they may be a bit of as I may be confusing them with the BA for buprenorphine).

Please note that I have in fact used the search feature as well as the advanced search feature. However, I’ve not found the detailed information for which I’m looking.

It's been a year since I IV'ed Dormicum (midazolam). Prior to doing so, I scoured the internet to find the *least* harmful way (any method is harmful, but this is harm reduction, not harm elimination). If I remember correctly, it was on BL that I found the advice to first use alcohol swaps to remove the blue coating from the pills.

IV’ing midazolam in pill form is something I do very rarely (hell, it’s been a year!). However, taken orally I get little to no effects; insufflated I get effects, yet it burns worse than ANYTHING I’ve ever snorted! Plus, I can snort 30mg or so, then my sinuses clog up completely and I can snort no more. Not only does IV have a higher BA without the burn, but it gives a euphoric rush. My benzo tolerance is unfortunately high; a year ago when I was shooting I shot 30mg or so at a time and took around 120mg diazepam daily. However, over the last year I’ve gotten my tolerance down to 3mg clonazepam daily (the diazepam equivalent of 60mg). Thus, I WILL dose accordingly and start small to be safe (or at least safer)

Finally, on to my question: The current method that I know is to take several pills, remove the blue coating with alcohol swaps, and let them dry thoroughly. I then crush them thoroughly, add filtered water (apparently one must have a prescription to get sterilized water here!), filter with cotton and inject. (Unfortunately, there are no needle exchanges at all in the rather non-progressive area in which I live; I’ve looked into ordering a micron wheel filter, but ended up not doing so as at the time I quit IV’ing and, even after reading up online, still had some confusion about their use).

So, is the above method at least *somewhat* sound? I know a micron filter would be preferable and I plan on trying to order one now (advice regarding this would be much appreciated). What about using the filtered water I’m using? I used to use saline solution (the NON cleaning type for contacts) but read that water was better. BTW, the water is from my Brita pitcher in the fridge, which I pour into a sterile container and allow to warm to room temperature before using. Clearly I shouldn’t be heating the mixture prior to filtering…. right?

Any help/tips/advice is GREATLY appreciated

Hey. Sorry if this years old. But im Planning to this.. finally got my Fingers on dormicum 7.5mg pills. Must the water have a light Spur ph? Like 3-4? Or just Destilled water, pill Crushed in it. Then what? Heat and stir? And tje end, when Filtering. Zog filter would be okay it is a one time try? I guess so right?

I did a few tries, always seemed it didnt dissolve, cause Injektion die near to Nottingham..