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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

i caught a cold last week or so - i have no idea who gave it to me either (true story)


maybe i should test everybody who's healthy


stupid
 
even tho i keep saying i never caught covid, i may have caught it but had no symptoms

maybe i should go get an antibody test to see


or better yet, how about i just not give a fuck because there's nothing wrong



like Magic Johnson

are we not at the point yet that he's probably gonna die from something else other than HIV?
 
good thing you weren't in charge of trying to hault the spread of infection.

actually, i can almost guarantee you'd be better at being the head of state during the beginning of covid, but that's saying fuck- all about you.
 
You gotta make your doctor take a test before every appointment as a flex
might do this! we already sometimes ask them to wear a mask... can never be too careful with newborns, pregnancies, old- ass grandmas beating cancer, etc... i guess i'm like ghandi (without the kiddie r*ping)
 
im already a 4 eyes!

the clouds of cootie dust might get around the side of the frames, but ain't no plague rats expressing they effluence as a stream directly into my eyes
 



"drafur med ett dvärgagrin
svingar dubbelyxan sin...
trollens nackar styva,
med kraft han synes klyva
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"metaphysical" ???

my philosophy is that that video doesn't exist and therefore it is impossible to watch
 
Similarly, Covid broke the public's faith in 'the science'. Those 'experts' we looked to lied to us. Worse, they weren't held accountable (yet). What 'experts' in any field remain at this point with any sense of respect from the public? I'd say none. So, seeking of 'experts' was shoved down out throats and proven a lie. At this point, we are still hoping elected officials can execute our will - both halves of the public want this from their elected officials. We'll see if it ever happens.
What's astonishing is the divide on this, still, 5 years on. Many people still refuse to see what is plain as day, as evidenced by more than one persons on this forum. It's hopeless trying to get them to see.. because there's no amount of logic or intellect that can crack what is effectively a hypnotic/delusional state of mind. They'll resent that label of course, but that's what it is when you can't see what is literally in front of your face.

Covid didn't break my trust in science or institutions, that happened decades ago. What it did do was break my trust in a lot of other people, because I know given the right conditions these same people will happily see people like me shoved into boxcars. They'll claim they'd never would.. everyone likes to think they wouldn't be like the Germany public in the 40's.. but Covid showed quite demonstrably that assumption is dead wrong, that the majority of people are absolutely hopeless in the face of state propaganda and psychological manipulation, with virtually zero self-awareness and intuitive ability.
#1 science doesn’t involve faith at all. (This is why scientists rarely ever tend to disagree as a community. 1 + 1 =2 is what scientists look at and all agree upon.
What do you think the Big Bang Theory is? It was literally conjured out of nothing by Einstein and a Catholic priest lmao. There is nothing to objectively substantiate it as a theory what so ever, other than inferred evidence i.e. cosmological red-shift expansion theory, which in itself is extremely weak.

The entire enterprise of science is based on faith. It rides on the aforementioned miracle. It rides on completely ignoring the felt presence of immediate experience and any experiences that run counter to its own narrative of material reductionism.
#2 the public is absolutely scientifically illiterate and their opinions and ranting are that of a petulant child. Would you let random construction workers, uneducated news anchors, or coal miners perform open heart surgery on you ? No of course not. Why does these peoples opinion on complex scientific matters even matter to anyone and how are the so arrogant to even have anything to say? They are scientifically illiterate, they are usually poor, they are reacting from a place of jealously and insecurity.
This is such an unbelievably poor take it's not even worth unpacking.
 
This is such an unbelievably poor take it's not even worth unpacking.

You not engaging proves the take





Do you have as strong of opinions on modern open heart surgery methods or engineering of fighter jets?

No?

How do you have such an expert understanding of immunology then?

What is your PhD in? Immunology?
 
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You not engaging proves the take. You’re offended and feel inadequate because you are not a scientist or doctor.

This is why people in these fields are so hated in America. America makes people feel less since childhood that when they don’t do well in STEM they should feel badly about themselves, and it continues to adulthood.
I'm not offended nor inadequate. I have the brains; privately educated, University, etc. But even that doesn't matter. Your assertion that anyone who is not a scientist or doctor is not even allowed to legitimately hold their own opinion because they are not adequately qualified, is nothing but short sighted medieval thinking.. where only the priest class etc could dictate the narrative, regardless of any other factors;

Intelligence is not measured by academic achievement or institutional rank. You can be a humble farmer and still be more clued up than some limp wrist city dweller. And more than that, it is dangerous (hence 'medieval thinking') to push that position.. because the assumption that those of such exalted status are infallible to corruption or evil acts is invalidated even by science itself i.e. Milgram experiment.

Being able to doubt and hold opinions counter to the elite class is what the past 1000 years of history have been about. Just because the word 'science' is applied to the current context doesn't change the context.. people are people.. science and its institutions are not an infallible enterprise.
 
1) Your assertion that anyone who is not a scientist or doctor is not even allowed to legitimately hold their own opinion

2) Intelligence is not measured by academic achievement or institutional rank.


Re 1) you fail to completely misunderstand the way science and evidence works. There aren’t opinions in science. There are facts and data

Re 1) again. I never said all scientist and doctors have the base to comment on immunology. I have a PhD in a very narrow field of chemistry and I have no business telling experts I’m immunology that they are wrong unless I write out an entire thesis backed by the literature and reasoning as to why. People spewing their word vomit on Facebook - doctors in some unrelated field or not - might as well wipe their ass with those “opinions”

I have no “opinion” on immunology because I’m mature enough to admit that I am not an expert in a highly complex narrow branch of science that I haven’t spent a decade studying. This is too big of an ask for magats with only a high school diploma though. I trust experts in that field and I trust the other experts of that field to self regulate eachothers ideas and consensus - because I understand how the scientific community functions because I am a member of it.


2). Intelligence per se isn’t measured by institutional rank but expertise and skill in narrow fields of expertise absolutely are measured, as a starting point by degree and rank, and from there resume credentials also measure the same metrics.

Again I ask you - is your “opinion” on immunology (or the rest of magas) just as valid on their “opinion” of the engineering of commercial jet engines?

Would you fly on a jet where instead of aerospace engineers designing the engine, high school educated MAGAs with “opinions” engineered the jet? This is a YES or NO answer and doesn’t require and dodging roundabout explanation.
 
Re 1) you fail to completely misunderstand the way science and evidence works. There aren’t opinions in science. There are facts and data
You fail to recognise that there are no objective facts and objective data, because it all comes through the lens of human perception (the scientist) and potentially another lens (the believer) in the science. All 'facts' and data have been measured, by the human perception apparatus, and in conjunction with the concept structure of the individual. There is also ontological conundrum of measurement itself.. given mathematics underpins science and that there is no objective measurement 'unit; the closest thing we have is the atomic clock measurement, and even that is not infallible either.

There is no separation. Everything relies on everything else. From measurement to the measurer. I can sense from the rest of your posts too that you would benefit from studying a bit of the philosophy of science.. you have the 'scientism' mindset, which is incorrect.
A) Again I ask you - is your “opinion” on immunology (or the rest of magas) just as valid on their “opinion” of the engineering of commercial jet engines?

B) Would you fly on a jet where instead of aerospace engineers designing the engine, high school educated MAGAs with “opinions” engineered the jet? This is a YES or NO answer and doesn’t require and dodging roundabout explanation.
A) Yes, it is. See above.
B) Of course not. But your question is nonsense, because you're conflating technical design of a jet engine with the ability of a layman to grok the concepts behind a field of science (and not the ability to devise technical experimentation itself).

Anyone can hold an opinion on a concept within science. That's what separates the dogmatic brutality of the medieval period with modernity, the right of the individual to hold their own opinion (and moral worth). Do you not understand history? Look man, I think you're enamoured like a lot of people are with modern science, and perhaps your involvement at PhD level is part of your blindness to these other factors I'm talking about. You've confined your vantage point to one angle.
 
I can sense from the rest of your posts too that you would benefit from studying a bit of the philosophy of science..

That might be a fun exercise but in the real world where money, careers and lives are on the line we tend to follow the consensus the all the evidence leads us to and in almost always unanimously leads us to the exact same thing even from different directions.



B) Of course not. But your question is nonsense, because you're conflating technical design of a jet engine with the ability of a layman to grok the concepts behind a field of science (and not the ability to devise technical experimentation itself).
It’s not nonsense. Immunology is more complex than the engineering of a jet engine. And a laymen “groking” (not totally sure what that term means but I’ll take a guess) a solution for, let’s say, viral spear would be no different than a layman groking a solution to troubleshoot a problem with a jet engine (and they’d have more success with the jet engine if I had to bet, since it’s less complex).

Just once I’d like to hear someone with a high school degree say “I don’t understand virology or why the vaccine is good or bad”. I never hear that. Everyone is a fucking expert. That can’t be true. Shit I’m a doctor in a tangentially related science and even I admit I don’t understand immunology, but my maga aunt that was homeschooled 40 years ago does…WHY? Because she has a strong opinion; I don’t have an opinion because I concede that I don’t understand this field the way I understand my field of expertise.

And opinions are worthless they aren’t backed by a thesis laying out support for them.
 
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That might be a fun exercise but in the real world where money, careers and lives are on the line we tend to follow the consensus the all the evidence leads us to and in almost always unanimously leads us to the exact same thing even from different directions.
99% of people can be in a consensus and 99% of people can still be wrong. Consensus doesn't actually mean anything.
Just once I’d like to hear someone with a high school degree say “I don’t understand virology or why the vaccine is good or bad”. I never hear that. Everyone is a fucking expert. That can’t be true. Shit I’m a doctor in a tangentially related science and even I admit I don’t understand immunology, but my maga aunt that was homeschooled 40 years ago does…WHY? Because she has a strong opinion; I don’t have an opinion because I concede that I don’t understand this field the way I understand my field of expertise.
All you've really said here is that you do not understand the difference between book smart and street smart. I couldn't give you an exact run down on the ingredients and technicalities of what was in the jabs. So what? If I do not trust the people that are designing and making it, the people that are pushing it on me and everyone else, then it doesn't matter about the technicalities of it.

People took a very strong stance on it because it was being forced upon people, we were being propagandised. No other alternatives were even considered - ivermectin, as one example. With all your book smarts you are perhaps overlooking an obvious data point that many 'uneducated' people with a stronger intuitive ability than you have perceived.

Now, at the time I maintained one danger of it was the genetic component of the mRNA jabs. I couldn't give you a technical breakdown of how it is working at the cellular level in detail, but that is besides the point. I know enough to not trust such a mechanism, period, that I do not trust our ability to not fuck things up with such a technology. That's all there is to it. An uneducated opinion? In your eyes, yes. But for me, that is prudent self-preservation based on a strong intuition.. and I trust my intuition, the intelligence of my body-mind, far more than the advertising campaign of the pharmaceutical companies and their lackies.
 
People took a very strong stance on it because it was being forced upon people,

I’ll agree with you that this was absolutely wrong, forcing it on ppl, this is issue “A”. I personally didn’t take it because I was WFH and later when I did take it I took the virion particle delivery system formulation (traditional to all vaccines) not the new mRNA delivery system. I admit I had no objective evidence driving that decision, just went with what was the old tried and true, not something new.

But then cretins like Joe Rogan and his fan base suddenly becoming experts on immunology (issue “B”) as some sort of a childish tantrum like response to issue A) is very childish.

A and B are not the same. Understanding A was wrong does not mean one has any understanding of B. But because Rogan and his Republican stoner army were mad about A, they suddenly all became scientific experts in B and millions took their medical advice from this uneducated moron and believed the entire scientific community was lying. Ironically, if they actually did understand the science they could tell if Rogan or fauci was the one lying - but they don’t have that knowledge so they sided with Rogan based on vibes.

I was randomly looking through ivermectin Facebook groups the other day. It was incredibly sad. It made my heart hurt for what America has become. We are 4 years removed from the alleged sins of the jab. Literally nobody cares anymore, yet there are still legions of mostly elderly people, mostly southern, all white, all uneducated, with American flags and TDS propaganda all over their pages- having discussions about using ivermectin for literally everything.

Depression, fertility, arthritis, profalactive health, “cleansing”, cancer, dialysis adjuncts, diabetes, obesity, pre natal care, giving it to children, adhd in their children, measles now…..I could go on forever.

It is incredibly heartbreaking to see that people are so angry about a vaccine developed to help save lives 4 years ago, that had some negative side effects in some ppl as every medicine on earth does, that they are poisoning themselves to literally spite educated people. Thats how deep this sense of inadequacy and low self esteem we’ve instilled in people that didn’t do well in school goes,

We’ve done something similar to our young women with regard to looks. We’ve made them feel less than and left them with trauma because they may not look like a cover girl. The anti intellectuals are suffering from something similar and yes it might be “liberals” faults for egging them on and making fun of them.

It’s just incredibly sad to see willfully ignorance to the point of poisoning yourselves, your family, and your fetuses with ivermectin just to prove a point to a made up liberal adversary on the internet.

Check out these Facebook ivermectin groups. It will blow your mind. The people doing it, I feel bad for them. They are extremely poor, they are already in poor health and probably can’t access real healthcare, and they are fueled by hatred of people that have marginalized them and made fun of them for being illiterate. There is a very strong sentiment of hatred of doctors in those communities as well.

They feel that they have been so egregiously violated by the existence of a vaccine they didn’t even take - that they must take ivermectin for everything and nothing just to prove a point.

This doesn’t make me sad in and of itself. It makes me sad that this is what America has come to. Poisoning yourself because you “feel” so violated by others.
 
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An uneducated opinion? In your eyes, yes.

For the 7th time; I’m not an expert nor trained in immunology. So I have no “opinion” on others’ opinions, on their merits. Also “opinions” are farting in the wind so I wouldn’t even bother having one. A reasoned thesis citing and built upon evidence is what would be worth having if I had the tools and background, not a “vibe” aka “opinion”

I’m also mature enough to acknowledge that and defer to the general consensus among the group of experts in that community…. Because I understand that within my own scientific niche there are no conspiracies, no reason to have them, and it’s impossible to keep one going if we tried because someone will always advance their career by exposing conspiracies and frauds. Other branches of science function the same way, especially in academia and it’s overlap with industry
 
Because I understand that within my own scientific niche there are no conspiracies, no reason to have them, and it’s impossible to keep one going if we tried because someone will always advance their career by exposing conspiracies and frauds. Other branches of science function the same way, especially in academia and it’s overlap with industry
People are people. Just because one puts on a white lab coat does not make them immune to corruption. Again this is this exalted medieval thinking that the priest class is above reproach, which is absolute nonsense.
 
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