The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

[Electrum1]

Will wait a few years before comming to a conclusion on the amount of COVID deaths, but jump into a vaccine that never went through full trials with 0 long term data….brilliant, absolutely brilliant , I mean the level of brilliance is just incomprehensible to the average man

People get tested when entering hospitals, so you could go for a gunshot wound, test positive, then die from the gunshot wound and it counts as a covid death, but he thinks deaths are actually HIGHER than the "official" numbers

C'mon

 

[Las Veghost grower]

People get tested when entering hospitals, so you could go for a gunshot wound, test positive, then die from the gunshot wound and it counts as a covid death, but he thinks deaths are actually HIGHER than the "official" numbers

C'mon

Honestly the level of stupidity is unreal, and I don’t want to call anyone stupid, but I don’t know what other word to use

 

[bird.is.the.word]

I got COVID and I died.
Therefore COVID killed me.

I got COVID and I didn't die.
Therefore COVID kept me alive.

There are no other factors.

 

[Xorkoth]

Omicron BJ... lol

Look at that gimpoid still wearing a mask

Sometimes I still have to remember there's nutty fucks out there who still believe those shitty masks do anything. Here in the UK virtually nobody is wearing them anymore and we're all still alive.

Most people aren't wearing them here anymore, either. I will wear one if someone asks me to because I don't like making people feel uncomfortable, but I don't wear them anymore otherwise. Some people still do, and that's fine with me, doesn't bother me.

I still see people driving in their car alone with a mask on…that is a stupid person, I’m sorry but it’s true

...Though I must admit when I see people wearing a mask while alone in their car with the windows rolled up... I can't help but laugh at them to myself. Actually I honestly feel bad for them because they must be so scared all the time, and I really don't think we should be any more scared of omicron than we are of colds and flus. Eve my girlfriend, who spent most of the pandemic deathly afraid of covid and waiting in line to get as many shots as she could, has finally relaxed and thinks there's no reason to live in fear anymore. And she read about the new vaccine variant and told me she's sketched out by it because of how the "research" into it was only done on 8 mice, and that that is sketchy. I was surprised because I was going to tell her that after reading about it in here, but she had already read about it herself and come to the same conclusion.

 

[Electrum1]

Omicron BJ... lol

Lol, I didn't even notice that

Glad to hear about your GF. Less stress is good, and now you don't need to worry about faking getting a booster

 

[-=SS=-]

what do you think the viruses hitch rides on? hint hint in bold above. our mouths aren't machine guns spewing barenaked individual virus particles.

Nano sized particles don't require anything to 'hitch a ride on'. Going by the conventional wisdom of viral transmission you don't need to have anyone cough or splutter at you to get infected, just being in their general vicinity is enough. If that weren't the case then people would not get infected in the numbers they apparently do over winter in particular. How many times have you heard the stories, or even experienced personally, of being around someone but not in direct contact and still getting ill from them.

Surgical masks don't do dick. Nano sized particles are going to travel right through it or around it with every single breath. Which is why rated masks exist!

a cloth or surgical mask, well fitted and worn correctly (none of this dicknose hanging out bullcrap) do reduce the amount of viral particles by reducing the reapiratory droplets escaping from the wearer's face. this is VERY well established

Reduce viral load by what. 1%? 5%? 15%? Do you even know? Does anyone know? No. They don't. You don't. Because it has never been quantifiably measured. You're relying on sophistry like corporate advertisers do. Technically it may reduce some droplets escaping, which is enough to make the claim of "reducing", but the precision of the statement is zero because viral particles don't require droplets as a vector as they're a particle in their own right.

No one has quantifiably measured it because it's impossible. You can't quantify the number of viral particles in a breath, repeating that over and over, and counting how many get stuck in a mask, how many make it to a target beyond, etc. It's just physically impossible.

Even if you quantifiably measured droplets and say it was reduced by 30%, that still has zero relation to viral particles. They'll go right through the material or around it with every breath.

We have real world data that shows quite clearly that mask wearing vs non-mask wearing countries don't show any appreciable difference in outcome e.g. England vs Scotland. There are states in the USA where it was seen as well.

You've been duped by political 'science'. End of argument.

 

[nepalnt21]

electrum, can you link me to a study that shows sars-cov-2 transmission is substantially or at all done by individual airborne viral particles?

 

[Jabberwocky]

idk man, dennis rodman was one funny motherfucker.

tangent >> stranger than fiction moment when rodman, vice, and the globetrotters visited the kim jong un... ffs, life is fucking crazy.

You know he's going to visit Putin now right lol

 

[Buzz Lightbeer]

About my thoughts on it (thread)

 

[Jabberwocky]

My opinions on the virus, vaccines and mandates have all changed in the last 2 years. I really don't have a strong opinion on any of those anymore. I hardly even think about covid or vaccines these days.

The only strong opinions I have left are against the people who continue to believe it's all some massive conspiracy or that vaccines are somehow extraordinarily harmful, more so than the virus.

I still have a strong distaste for people who cannot filter what information they absorb or lack the inclination to even verify it's source. This distaste continues to grow.

 

[thujone]

Reduce viral load by what. 1%? 5%? 15%? Do you even know? Does anyone know? No. They don't. You don't. Because it has never been quantifiably measured. You're relying on sophistry like corporate advertisers do.

Watch as you get a bunch of replies and every one of them will just conveniently avoid addressing this point and instead start attacking strawmen and demanding that you defend those.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Watch as you get a bunch of replies and every one of them will just conveniently avoid addressing this point and instead start attacking strawmen and demanding that you defend those.

Just like all of you conveniently avoid a bulk of data because you think it's a government lie and giant conspiracy, then point to some sketchy biased website and demand we explain that unsubstantiated opinion?

Everyone in this thread thinks their own shit doesn't stink because they roll around in it all day.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

My opinions on the virus, vaccines and mandates have all changed in the last 2 years. I really don't have a strong opinion on any of those anymore. I hardly even think about covid or vaccines these days.

The only strong opinions I have left are against the people who continue to believe it's all some massive conspiracy or that vaccines are somehow extraordinarily harmful, more so than the virus.

I still have a strong distaste for people who cannot filter what information they absorb or lack the inclination to even verify it's source. This distaste continues to grow.

It is not clear for any given individual whether or not any of the viruses (omicron, delta, etc) are more or less harmful than any of the vaccines.

A hypothetical person may be totally fine and asymptomatic with delta but develop blood clots from astrazeneca. You can't tell that person the virus is more dangerous for them because you don't know. It's a roll of the dice. That's how it should be sold.

 

[bird.is.the.word]

@Snafu in the Void

Let me ask you this: are you 100% convinced that we are better off (long term) having implemented vaccine mandates and mask mandates and lockdowns?

I understand your reaction to conspiracy stuff on the anti-vax side, but what do you think about extreme opinions on the pro-vax side?

Being anti-vax is an entirely human reaction to an insane situation where people's personal rights were taken away without sufficient justification. The governments of the world lied to us. It makes sense that people are shouting conspiracy. (I think the conspiracy stuff is crazy too, for the record.)

The fundamentalist pro-vax stance is more alarming. Both ignore science, but one does it while suckling the teat of a dictatorship.

 

[Jabberwocky]

It is not clear for any given individual whether or not any of the viruses (omicron, delta, etc) are more or less harmful than any of the vaccines.

A hypothetical person may be totally fine and asymptomatic with delta but develop blood clots from astrazeneca. You can't tell that person the virus is more dangerous for them because you don't know. It's a roll of the dice. That's how it should be sold.

I don't think it's possible for the average person like you and me to gather all such relevant data and compare it from our armchairs and reliably reach such a conclusion in a reasonably accurate way.

Statistics is one of the most notoriously difficult math subjects for a reason.

 

[thujone]

Just like all of you conveniently avoid a bulk of data because you think it's a government lie and giant conspiracy, then point to some sketchy biased website and demand we explain that unsubstantiated opinion?

Everyone in this thread thinks their own shit doesn't stink because they roll around in it all day.

The closest thing to sketchy that I posted was one substack blog, all the rest of my links were either from official data or "trusted" corporate media.

Thanks for proving my point about attacking strawmen though

 

[bird.is.the.word]

I don't think it's possible for the average person like you and me to gather all such relevant data and compare it from our armchairs and reliably reach such a conclusion.

I studied statistics at university straight out of high school.

What data is required to reach such a conclusion?

I know someone who had COVID, was fine, got vaccinated and ended up in ICU with a blood clot. He almost died. That's enough data for me.

@Snafu in the Void

 

[Jabberwocky]

The closest thing to sketchy that I posted was one substack blog, all the rest of my links were either from official data or "trusted" corporate media.

Thanks for proving my point about attacking strawmen though

Sorry I threw you in with the people posting covid data interpretations from websites where the next news story link is why Obama let the Jews do 9/11.

I'm referring to them.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I studied statistics at university straight out of high school.

What data is required to reach such a conclusion?

I know someone who had COVID, was fine, got vaccinated and ended up in ICU with a blood clot. He almost died. That's enough data for me.

@Snafu in the Void

Everyone I know in life, including my 65yo father who has nearly died several times in the past from serious blood clots on numerous times in his legs and lungs got vaccinated 3 times and was fine and healthy. He's a lifelong alcoholic and is one of the least healthy person I know and had no vaccine side effects.

That's enough for me, right?

My point is neither of us have the experience, total data nor qualifications to come to any concrete conclusions.

I can't help but doubt people's anecdotal 2nd hand stories because there's been so many frivolous ones made in the past such as professional sports players dropping dead from vaccines which never happened, or someone who KNOWS FOR SURE that they have 10 friends of friend's family members who all died from the vaccine.

 

[thujone]

Sorry I threw you in with the people posting covid data interpretations from websites where the next news story link is why Obama let the Jews do 9/11.

I'm referring to them.

I don't even read Epoch Times anymore because of how much ragebait they publish now. This is part of the greater problem that COVID et al is also entangled in -

We're sick of being lied to by people who insinuate that they are trustworthy.

The official data raises questions that go unanswered by the establishment. I literally have watched the parliamentary sessions where the opposition party raises questions we're all interested in knowing the answer to and getting publicly stonewalled by a minority government.

Why is it a surprise people will reach for "alt" news that they kind of suspect is biased but where you can at least find mention of things the corporate newsmedia basically lies about by omission?

Let's not pretend things that could be happening are definitely not happening and then some trust may be re-established.