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The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...

What I know, is that I don't need a peer reviewed scientific paper to confirm that I'm seeing 3x vaxxed people I know catch Covid more often than unvaxxed people that I know
Personal anecdotes are worthless in the Covid debate.

Everyone I know who got lung cancer was a non smoker and all the smokers I know are still alive, I don't care what the scientific consensus is!
 
intellectual honesty and provide citations for their claims. its only when people refuse to provide citations and defer to logical fallacies that trust is required
But this isn't a cast iron guarantee of anything at all. Just because you cite something doesn't automatically mean the citation is based in truth or the person/s who created it were sincere.
trust is what has been lost during this COVID hysteria. Medical ethics were thrown out the window, and with it, so has trust in people like doctors of life sciences.
Exactly. It has exposed what I allude to in my sentence above. Just because someone puts on a white lab coat or stethoscope doesn't magically change them from a fallible human into an angel (or hero).

Covid has demonstrated that actually the overwhelming majority of those in the medical field are hopelessly enslaved to their profession, and that patient welfare is second to their belief system and subsequently financial concerns. No different from any other group of people in any other time in history, which was again my main point. Yes there were great people, as in any group, who were prepared to stand up and refuse the evident bullshit but these were in the overwhelming minority.

For me personally it's the ego I can't stand. Again, same in any profession. Just because you wallowed through several years of institutional training doesn't make you intellectually superior, all it confers is that you have a decent brainbox capable of performing the required tasks. Real intellectuals were the ones who didn't just immediately swallow all the tripe doled out by the pharmaceutical industry and media prostitutes.
 
Covid has demonstrated that actually the overwhelming majority of those in the medical field are hopelessly enslaved to their profession, and that patient welfare is second to their belief system and subsequently financial concerns. No different from any other group of people in any other time in history, which was again my main point. Yes there were great people, as in any group, who were prepared to stand up and refuse the evident bullshit but these were in the overwhelming minority.

For me personally it's the ego I can't stand. Again, same in any profession. Just because you wallowed through several years of institutional training doesn't make you intellectually superior, all it confers is that you have a decent brainbox capable of performing the required tasks. Real intellectuals were the ones who didn't just immediately swallow all the tripe doled out by the pharmaceutical industry and media prostitutes.
I didn't want to talk with the guy you're replying cause I certainly saw quite fast and straight the level of "mainstream omni-acceptance" and gullibility that some people can carry with themselves.
We were talking about the monkeypox thing. He said that he considers normal a conference (tabletop exercise) preparing a monkeypox pandemic, even coinciding on dates and more or less the infections at a giving data, just a few months before the first cases and Bill Gates talking about a pox bioterrorists attacks....
He said it's normal!!! (the typical things that scientists do):geek::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
So, if I were Bill Gates and I started talking about a Rift Valley Fever pandemic and then some months after we did a pandemic preparation for that virus, and finally all came, months after... it would be normal.

How the heck can that be normal!!!!???

The level of gullibility is so outrageous that I really cannot speak frankly with someone like that, it's beyond my dignity and I think it could be a major lost of my time.

If you think about it all that people are incredibly lucky to be alive in a civilized country in 2022, otherwise, if they lived in the Middle Ages or in some crooked fucked up bad-ass banana republic they would be dead or in a very bad condition cause one thing is to be have years of institutional training and another very different to be sharp, alert, lucid and intuitive. What is usually said to have natural intelligence to develop and grasp things on the fly.

I am afraid that many people with a lot of academic preparation would run straight into the ground if they had to use these qualities in the day-to-day life of a real crisis or in unfavorable conditions in which they did not have the backing of an institutional majority. Because, man, to think that anything that is happening or has happened is "normal" for me it's a complete red-flag.
 
Are you telling me that you think Bill Gates buying up a fuck ton of US farmland isn't completely normal behaviour for a second-rate computer fat-tits? Tell me it ain't so!

The monkey pox thing is just in your face piss taking by the bastards. Like really? Predicting it down to almost the exact day and starting in a fictional country, Brinia, that sounds awfully like Britannia where it did start. Lord give me strength :LOL: For something that keeps itself pretty well contained to Africa as well, just suddenly finding itself outside its usual catchment area.. it just makes it even more ridiculous.

The problem is people are programmed what to think not how to think. By design of course, via an educational system that has been in the hands of the ruling class for centuries. It starts early in life and by the time you reach adulthood it is difficult to see beyond your conditioned ways of thinking.

On a sympathetic note, it is a big mental load to sit down and actually accept the depths of your own self-deception and deliberate misdirection all your life by the system. Especially if you've built a personality and/or career around it. You can see why people cling on to it until they are forced by circumstances to evaluate everything again. I concede if it weren't for a psychedelic experience in my teens I may very well have ended up in their position, as I was pretty academically smart and loved science/maths in particular.

Trying to argue with people in that condition is a lost cause. If enough people throughout society start talking about it, then social consciousness may pressure them to evaluate. Otherwise usually it takes trauma to shake them loose from their convictions.
 
normal!!! (the typical things that scientists do):geek::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
i really don't know why i'm bothering given that interested users can see for themselves exactly what i said.... but here are verbatim quotes from my posts on this topic:

"its not relevant. these sorts of things happen all of the time, its part of being prepared for possibilities. if you hold a couple such events a year, chances are that when a virus hits the news, one of the exercises performed over the past few years will have been for that type of threat." here

and

"look, in my job we frequently talk about how we would engineer a bioterrorism attack, exactly what we would do, how we would spread it etc. if there is a bioterrorism attack that i haven't written down in my notes somewhere as a possibility then i've failed. does that mean, when such an attack happens, that i was involved in the conspiracy? no. the same goes for these guys. if a possibility that you haven't considered, when doing that is part of your fucking job, then you sucked at your job. all you're saying is that the people running these events don't suck at their jobs."

of course, its easier not to actually look into the type of work that goes on in this area, routinely, for yourself, that would require looking up work by a plethora of agencies distributed throughout the globe. much easier to immediately put it down to a conspiracy. in fact i'm pretty sure most developed countries do this type of work as part of pandemic preparation. here's a reference to get you started (note DARPA contracts multiple private companies so this link is just to get you started, the full scale of their pandemic preparedness project is huge):


if you don't consider these things a routine part of pandemic preparedness, then you need to go back and read your own source, in the headline, it mentions an 'annual' exercise. this is just one of the higher profile exercises of this type. multiple such exercises per year, plus limited genera of viruses that pose a serious threat to humans, makes a finite number of combinations for such exercises and therefore high probability that relevant exercises have been done in the past few years when a new viral threat hits the news.

inform yourself before jumping to conclusions. and if you can't do that, then at least don't misrepresent what i've said when you're making these claims.
 
in my case I'm risk group, I have a chronic disease. I got covid without any jab, got 3 bad days, the worst symptom: headache. In less than a week I'm perfectly fine.

Me too, I got it the first time before vaccines were available to me. I had a fever of 102 (probably up to about 103 overnight on the worst night, as I got a bit delirious), it was a lot like the flu but the body aches were much worse and I didn't have any nausea or gastric disturbances at all. It went away pretty quick. It wasn't as bad as I feared. I did have an aunt and a cousin die from it though (they lived together). In any case, I was never that worried about myself, before, during or after. If my aunt and cousin had died before I had it, I probably would have been more nervous. I got the vaccine because it was clear that for the alpha variant, it was quite effective, not the best vaccine in the world, but no one I know who got vaccinated caught the alpha variant, so it seemed to me the effectiveness was high. Conversely, it's obvious the effectiveness is very low against omicron, so the game has changed and you won't find me getting another shot unless the circumstances change. But considering omicron is way less dangerous and I already had it (after getting boosted, which is a very common story), I basically consider the worry to be in the past, at this point it's another cold/flu sort of thing, something to take basic precautions against (avoid people who have it, try not to pass it on if you have it, wash your hands and practice basic hygeine), but not something to alter your life over.
 
as I got a bit delirious
For a moment I got a bit delirious too, got very worried because started listening some kind of horrible buzzing sound, it was like a mecanic bee trying to enter my brain, it was very paranoia-inducing... but I wasn't even sure if the sound was from the street or what, it was very confusing, but I was really confused in general by the headache pulses/stabbing pain.

Honestly never saw the point in using the vaccines and they can try to convince me with a 30 meter yatch... that wouldn't use it anyway (not exagerating). Now that I know that this virus fucks me up but not to the point of having to worry, then all it's decided for me, happily. I just wish the best for you, those who took it.
What about your gf? she still buys the scaremongering discourse?
 
Yeah, she's calmed down though, she doesn't try to get me not to live my life, and she goes and does stuff too. She still wars a mask everywhere, usually she'll be the only one. She also still hasn't gotten it despite living with me and I had it twice, and she's been exposed at work, too. I'm waiting to see if she'll freak out again if they start talking about another variant or something. I hope not. I am quite sure she'll get another booster, and probably want me to, also, but I'm not going to this time... it's not that I'm afraid of the vaccine, I just don't see the point anymore. So why risk the chance there IS something to worry about with the vaccine, for no benefit?
 


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But how much less likely are unvaccinated people showing up to get a covid test if they have symptoms? These aren't mandatory tests, and they aren't screening every single person anymore.

A lot of unvaccinated people, particularly the people with 0 vaccines at all, tend to believe covid isn't inherently dangerous and probably aren't compelled to seek treatment or check if they have covid or just the flu. They're less likely to follow any covid related rules or protocols, such as getting tested, probably because they don't want to quarantine.

Also the glaring fact that vaccinated people outnumber the unvaccinated in most countries... why is this not mentioned?

This isn't convincing of anything. Too many factors and too little data to draw any conclusions.

lol at this person calling this "disturbing analysis", this is literally just raw and incomplete data not any sort of "analysis"
 
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But how much less likely are unvaccinated people showing up to get a covid test if they have symptoms? These aren't mandatory tests, and they aren't screening every single person anymore.

A lot of unvaccinated people, particularly the people with 0 vaccines at all, tend to believe covid isn't inherently dangerous and probably aren't compelled to seek treatment or check if they have covid or just the flu. They're less likely to follow any covid related rules or protocols, such as getting tested, probably because they don't want to quarantine.

Also the glaring fact that vaccinated people outnumber the unvaccinated in most countries... why is this not mentioned?

This isn't convincing of anything. Too many factors and too little data to draw any conclusions.

lol at this person calling this "disturbing analysis", this is literally just raw and incomplete data not any sort of "analysis"
Are they 4 times less likely to test? Maybe, but they work too, right? 4x is so much...

Anyway, I said "another one" cause there are way too many of these. I've posted multiple here as have others, it's just too funny, after months of people claiming you need it for protection against infection. Exactly the argument countries all over the world will be firing healthcare workers over.

I don't actually think it makes that much of a difference, but yeah... Maybe it does, we'll never know for sure probably.

It's also relative numbers, it's allowed to just look at data and not get all so defensive...
Its really ironic cause COVID nuts used to throw essentially the opposite graphs at everyone and every counter argument would get you labeled.

You see why it's funny, it works in every direction =D
 
"almost anyone" lol

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Personal anecdotes are worthless in the Covid debate.

Everyone I know who got lung cancer was a non smoker and all the smokers I know are still alive, I don't care what the scientific consensus is!
Dismiss my lived experience, I don't care, because it doesn't change what I'm seeing in my city with the people I know that are vaxxed multiple times and the people who aren't vaxxed
 


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At this point I have to say I wouldn't be shocked if it was true. Just because of all the people I know, almost everyone has gotten omicron after getting boosted, whereas a number of people haven't gotten vaccinated at all and only got the original strain (well, alpha or delta, either/or). Granted, everyone who got boosted that I know (myself included) just felt like they had a minor to moderate cold. But still, it clearly didn't do anything to prevent infection. The picture about severity of infection among those infected based on vaccination status is less clear to me.
 
At this point I have to say I wouldn't be shocked if it was true. Just because of all the people I know, almost everyone has gotten omicron after getting boosted, whereas a number of people haven't gotten vaccinated at all and only got the original strain (well, alpha or delta, either/or). Granted, everyone who got boosted that I know (myself included) just felt like they had a minor to moderate cold. But still, it clearly didn't do anything to prevent infection. The picture about severity of infection among those infected based on vaccination status is less clear to me.
well it takes much less assumptions to think that people who are still unvaccinated by now bother less to get tested anyway.
 
well it takes much less assumptions to think that people who are still unvaccinated by now bother less to get tested anyway.
This is what I keep saying, the vast majority of covid statistics are self reported and completely voluntarily, and a lot of people have little motivation to self report or even get medical attention based on their beliefs .

A lot of covid related data is difficult to interpret because of this... and is routinely misinterpreted.

it clearly didn't do anything to prevent infection.
I have a fairly unique anecdotal experience on this. I was exposed to covid heavily by a family member, then learned they were positive 5+ days later. I had no symptoms at that point, I went to get PCR tested and showed negative. I had anxiety over getting covid and spontaneously decided to get my 3rd booster shot on the 6th day. It had been about 9 months since my 2nd.

When I woke up the next day I had the worst headache of my life and also felt sick, the first symptoms of covid. What happened over the following week were simultaneous vaccine + covid symptoms. Vaccines aren't even supposed to be effective until after a week since the shot.

If anything, I think it may have made symptoms worse because my immune system was dealing with both at the same time.

But after 6-7 days the symptoms dropped off very quickly and I recovered sharply. Was it the vaccine kicking in? I don't know.

I'm certainly not rushing out to get another booster anytime soon... I also question the uses of the current vaccine for the average person.

That's not to say the vaccine is still incredibly valuable to some people.
 
well it takes much less assumptions to think that people who are still unvaccinated by now bother less to get tested anyway.
I don't know what's the deal with this in NA, but if you stay home from work, you need to have a reason no? Here I'd have to show a positive test or doctor's note...

Like I said, I don't actually think it makes any difference really, but I don't entirely buy this argument either
 
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