Xorkoth
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And at this point you're not hurting anyone by not getting vaccinated. So I don't think anyone should have a problem with that, even if they think you're misguided
The Last Covid-19 Megathread v. Hopefully...
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And at this point you're not hurting anyone by not getting vaccinated. So I don't think anyone should have a problem with that, even if they think you're misguided
Mr. Krinkle
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remember when the unvaccinated was infecting the vaccinated?
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masks were a total load of bullshit aswelll
imo_incolae
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But Russia about to nuke the world isn't?
It's amazing how they've managed to suspend people in simultaneous realities where you can support nuclear war but believe wearing a mask is bullshit.
Where unicorns are real but only on a Wednesday and if the sun shines bright after 3pm and the fox winks at a passing pigeon.
Where violence is wrong and equality for is critical but only when X Y Z conditions are met and only when it's X Y Z people/country/etc.
I find it incredible how they've managed to hold people in these states of mind that are completely fantastical, incongruent and form no conducive grounding in reality while also leaving said people open to be sucked into yet another trip all the while said people forgetting where they've come from or the relationship to this trip to all others.
Jabberwocky
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interesting way to explain gaslighting while also gaslighting anyone who reads this at the same time
gaslightception
you seem pretty woke bro
imo_incolae
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I never said gaslighting. And it wouldn't be gaslighting if the premise of my comments were true and also intended to challenge a narrative, and not completely reduce those suspectible to it into incompetent fools unable to comprehend reality for themselves. By challenging these narratives you are assuming people do indeed have the capacity to also see the glaring inconsistinces you see and so I would call that empowerment and not gaslighting.
Is it gaslighting when you challenge a friend stuck in an abusive relationship with a narcissisist? Only if a) you are that narcissistic abuser or b) you are on the side of that narcissistic abuser.
In the eyes of the abuser, everyone is abusive so long as everyone exposes the abuser. And anyone parroting the bullshit the abuser says is trapped in a triangulated relationship controlled entirely by the abuser who has ensured the whole ship sinks if one person in this dysfunctional relationship exposes the corruption within. All what I said is pretty prescient in today's world fuelled by gaslighting and by those seeking to reinforce it.
You seem to be inventing new words too. This also is something abusive people do in order to create alternate realities for their victims to live in confusing them from the underlying reality that will free them. New layers on top of new layers. What is true and what isn't? Who knows. Just as there are so many completely fabricated words that hold absolutely no value in our language, they all serve to add white noise to what is really going. They all distract from the truth. And we all know abusive people hate the truth. I personally live for the truth but hey, that's just me. I'm not saying you are abusive either. But it's kinda weird that you are emulating all the behaviours well known around the understanding of abusive behaviour, individually and on a societal level (ie from individual relationships to cults to state powers).
I would be less inclined to say so if your entire message wasn't riddled with made-up language that only 'insiders' subscribe to and of which only exist within the very paradigms that are polarizing, fragmenting and tearing up the social fabric of our shared reality. I mean, we can have a REAL conversation any time of the week using language that actually holds substance beyond the circus clown world affairs of today's psychedelic affairs, but I have my suspicions if we did you wouldn't feel very comfortable and would likely resort to falling back on pre-made scripts to distance yourself from anything that pushes you out of sync with the reality you have been fed. When we go off script and start digressing about other things you haven't been conditioned to respond to in a particular way, you probably will have difficulty keeping up. That makes you both a victim and a perp, which is kind of my point really. Most people nowadays don't know that they are both a victim of gaslighting on the societal scale, and then become the perpetrator as a result of this gaslighting.
Lots of talk about gaslighting it seems. But at least I understand what it actually is.
Fire&Water
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Mask arent anything other than virtue signaling now
imo_incolae
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Saying the word 'gaslighting' doesn't equate to a conducive meaningful conversation. It shows how incapable you are of actually having a conversation, particularly when you are being challenged, or have received a response you don't like. Using buzzwords doesn't prove anything. Children do the same thing. I guess that's why they say you shouldn't argue with children though, right? Are we engaged in the same dynamic here? Interesting if we are.
I have a WPM of around 90-100 so it doesn't take that long to write stuff anyways. Apparently in the top 5% for typing so don't worry about the time I spend typing. That's like worrying about a pilot flying many hours in a plane just because you don't understand it's what he/she does well.
A post also being quite short and succint doesn't imply it's authenticity or not being indicative of manipulative behaviour. Silent treatment is one good example of manipulative behaviour and you say nothing with that, so what is your point? You could write one letter and still prove my point correct. In fact, the less you write the more you prove it. The more you write the more you prove me wrong because then you show that you are actually engaged in the conversation and my challenging of your replies are in turn responded to, which I want, for you to respond to me and challenge in return.
And that's okay, be intoxicated. But don't assume being so grants you the capacity to project your intoxicated state onto me. That's your choice as an adult and I respect that. What I don't respect is when someone refuses to accept responsibility for being so, especially when it affects others. Also, if I was intoxicated I wouldn't be trying to delve into a complicated subject matter, especially when I don't have a clue what I'm talking about anyway. If you want to pick a fight in this way, go find a drugs counselor because that's where the target of your projections are evidently based.
imo_incolae
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They were in the first place. It is symbolism. Religion paved the way for symbolism to manifest in it's "higher" form. We seek to express ourselves in the most simplest of ways and masks during a very polarizing and unstable period in our history provides the perfect example to show your allegiances to a particular ideology, much like during the religious days of past when you would utilize symbolism of religion to shun, marginalize and project the superiority of the so-called in-group ie the righteous ones, the saved etc. The saved ARE the mask wearing people. They are to find salvation, according to the premise of the symbolism.
And to make a further point, we now express ourselves outwardly far more than we ever have done. Those in control know that very well. The emphasis is on appearances which is why we make more effort than we ever have done to project a particular image out onto the world. These images are just symbols of the culture and society we live in and so we are simply vessels for the most dominant beliefs of the time. Take that one step further with masks and it's obvious they are just another accessory to say "Yup, here I am and I'm part of society. I fit in. Validate me".
I never saw the science behind masks. It's never been clear-cut. While it sounds like putting something over your mouth works the science is a little different and none of the masks 99% of the population wear ever came close/or come to close, to the standards required to reduce particles being inhaled through the mask and into the body. For that you would need qualified masks that are massively unnecessary, costly and pretty much impossible to wear in society without it causing more problems than apparently solving them. That was NEVER going to happen. Nobody was EVER going to fit the bill for industry-grade masks/respirators that are cleared by strict regulations and standards. Nor would we want people walking around wearing things that look like gas masks. Even the most militant couldn't cope with that. And so it never happened. But... if it didn't? Was the threat as bad as it was supposed to be? Surely if so many people were going to die, it was a risk worth taking? I mean, we spend BILLIONS on wars and dropping bombs and we spend HUGE amounts on agendas that we all collectively know are a waste of tax-payers money and serve no-one but a select few. So why didn't we actually spend money on something actually worth implementing?
imo_incolae
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Is this a projection? Are you a totally different person irl? I'm happy you find solace in that but refrain from projecting onto me the person you want to be if you could be irl. Just be that person irl and your problem disappears
I know, I'm just making zero effort to challenge you and so far you've contributed nothing to the actual conversation other than slowly deviated into what seems like some sort of backpeddling into self doubt and inner conflict marred by the desire to compete with others for what I imagine must be some sort of inherent flaw within? I'm not competing with you, FYI. I'm engaging with you. Interesting nonetheless your stance on this. Most of your responses are inner monologue and have no relation to the topic at hand. It seems you are battling yourself more than me or anything/anyone else.
As for intellectual superiority. I don't define myself on an intellectual level because I find it demeaning. I just find interest in various things, including human behaviour and relationships (both negative and otherwise) and then I seek to learn about that stuff until I'm at a level where I can talk to people sufficiently, especially those who may actually hold intellectual accomplishments over me. My aim is always to have the ability to maintain (if not lead) a conversation in regards to a certain subject and hold my own. If I can't then I don't speak but I will research in the event a conversation along those lines happens again. I enjoy talking to people especially about interesting shit.
And you brought gaslighting into the mix and turned this conversation into something petty and insignificant. Congratulations!
Robi
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Jabberwocky
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I apologize for my drunken antics last night
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Will need to translate from German, but here's the link:
Corona-Impfung: Charité-Forscher fordert Ambulanzen für Impfgeschädigte | MDR.DE
An der Charite in Berlin wird zu Nebenwirkungen nach Corona-Impfungen geforscht. Professor Harald Matthes leitet die Untersuchung und fordert mehr Anlaufstellen für Betroffene.
www.mdr.de
Jabberwocky
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The lasting mental impacts of severe Covid-19 on areas like memory, attention, or problem solving, may be equivalent to 20 years of ageing.
www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00147-X/fulltext
www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(22)00147-X/fulltext
Jabberwocky
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The pandemic and the U. S presidential election. New study shows certainty about the direction of the COVID-19 pandemic linked to ignoring medical expertise and backing conspiracy theories; similar findings tied to the 2020 election
The pandemic and the presidential election: Feeling certain about the future can predict poor information-seeking and antisocial behaviors
Those who feel certain about what the future of the COVID-19 pandemic would entail are more likely to both ignore medical experts and to adhere to conspiracy theories, finds a new study by a team of psychology researchers. Its results also show those who were certain about the outcome of the...
www.eurekalert.org
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) bought access to location data harvested from tens of millions of phones in the United States to perform analysis of compliance with curfews, track patterns of people visiting K-12 schools, and specifically monitor the effectiveness of policy in the Navajo Nation, according to CDC documents obtained by Motherboard. The documents also show that although the CDC used COVID-19 as a reason to buy access to the data more quickly, it intended to use it for more-general CDC purposes."
www.vice.com
CDC Tracked Millions of Phones to See If Americans Followed COVID Lockdown Orders
Newly released documents showed the CDC planned to use phone location data to monitor schools and churches, and wanted to use the data for many non-COVID-19 purposes, too.
www.vice.com
Jabberwocky
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"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) bought access to location data harvested from tens of millions of phones in the United States to perform analysis of compliance with curfews, track patterns of people visiting K-12 schools, and specifically monitor the effectiveness of policy in the Navajo Nation, according to CDC documents obtained by Motherboard. The documents also show that although the CDC used COVID-19 as a reason to buy access to the data more quickly, it intended to use it for more-general CDC purposes."
CDC Tracked Millions of Phones to See If Americans Followed COVID Lockdown Orders
Newly released documents showed the CDC planned to use phone location data to monitor schools and churches, and wanted to use the data for many non-COVID-19 purposes, too.
FBI been going through our data, too.
Also there are now data brokers selling people's location data who have visited abortion clinics.
dystopian shit, our privacy is raped
scumbags
imo_incolae
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Its not dystopian. Its Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Google, Apple. Its every app you download and use. Its everything around you. Its what most people call "real life". Its how data economy works. Its how the digital world today works.
People made that choice. They vehemently defend the reality they have even though it imprisons them and makes the owners of those realities endless amounts of money and generates more power and influence than governments. That's what the people want. They want their shares, likes, dopamine fix, they want free stuff like shitty games that distract them for a few seconds, they want clickbait articles. Clickbait because? Clicking makes the creator money! And if that's what they want, what else do they want and are willing to give away? Such is life. This is the world you live in. But its not dystopian. Its what you call everyday reality.
That's why you should never believe everything you see and question pretty much everything you are told. Its because of simple realizations like this. How can we live in a world where peoples freedoms are stolen from them while those people choose every single day to allow those freedoms to continue to be stolen conscious of the consequences? If people know they are products and people know they are Guinea pigs being milked for money and power - why do they still continue to play that role? If these systems are corrupted at their core, what other systems are corrupted too? And if those systems are corrupted, what does that say about our societies and culture? About our governments who allow it to happen? Why is no-one fighting this?
All that happened is some very clever people exploited this understanding and they turned it into what you call Facebook or Google for example. Huge empires created for the sole purpose or harvesting, exploiting and manipulating people, data and behaviour. A huge social experiment that a select few have exclusive power over. And that's just your social media profile. If you think that is fucked up, we haven't even begun to delve in deeper. That is just the surface and what people know already and think is normal.
Its pretty rich people think its dystopian while they also support those very things (among others) that keep things that way. They complain for a bit but then go back to tapping at their smartphones and behaving on cue like conditioned animals.
Jabberwocky
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You may be the most woke person in the history of the universe.
I was using the word dystopian loosely my friend. Also, in modern society we are forced to use these tech companies. The vast majority of jobs require you to have a phone, email account, Google accounts, etc. It's become a necessity and isn't exactly some endorsement of their practices.
Unless you live as a hermit in the woods everyone has been forced into accepting them.
Are you suggesting you are somehow different? Do you claim to be a sovereign citizen when a cop pulls you over?
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Jabberwocky
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I'd guess because they both find it uncomfortable/inconvenient and the principle of them not liking when the government tells them to do things.
Then they feel virtuous by rebelling against mandates and calling anyone who does comply with the mandates "sheep" and "brainwashed".