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i didn't even know it was possible to actually die from lsd OD. wouldn't it more or less be from shock instead of the actual drug?
Seems like I read somewhere that the only OD death from LSD was from a guy who IV'd a quarter gram in the mistaken belief it was meth. Oddly, I personally know someone who IV'd a similar amount of 2c-e under similar circumstances, but he lived. Had a look in his eyes like those pictures of guys from WWI who took artillery fire for six months, though.8o
 
^re: lsd toxicity:

Hofmann said:
The toxicity of LSD has been determined in various animal species. A standard for the toxicity of a substance is the LD50, or the median lethal dose, that is, the dose with which 50 percent of the treated animals die. In general it fluctuates broadly, according to the animal species, and so it is with LSD. The LD50 for the mouse amounts to 50-60 mg/kg i.v. (that is, 50 to 60 thousandths of a gram of LSD per kilogram of animal weight upon injection of an LSD solution into the veins). In the rat the LDso drops to 16.5 mg/kg, and in rabbits to 0.3 mg/kg. One elephant given 0.297 g of LSD died after a few minutes. The weight of this animal was determined to be 5,000 kg, which corresponds to a lethal dose of 0.06 mg/kg (0.06 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight). Because this involves only a single case, this value cannot be generalized, but we can at least deduce from it that the largest land animal reacts proportionally very sensitively to LSD, since the lethal dose in elephants must be some 1,000 times lower than in the mouse. Most animals die from a lethal dose of LSD by respiratory arrest.

The minute doses that cause death in animal experiments may give the impression that LSD is a very toxic substance. However, if one compares the lethal dose in animals with the effective dose in human beings, which is 0.0003-0.001 mg/kg (0.0003 to 0.001 thousandths of a gram per kilogram of body weight), this shows an extraordinarily low toxicity for LSD. Only a 300- to 600-fold overdose of LSD, compared to the lethal dose in rabbits, or fully a 50,000- to 100,000fold overdose, in comparison to the toxicity in the mouse, would have fatal results in human beings. These comparisons of relative toxicity are, to be sure, only understandable as estimates of orders of magnitude, for the determination of the therapeutic index (that is, the ratio between the effective and the lethal dose) is only meaningful within a given species. Such a procedure is not possible in this case because the lethal doge of LSD for humans is not known. To my knowledge, there have not as yet occurred any casualties that are a direct consequence of LSD poisoning. Numerous episodes of fatal consequences attributed to LSD ingestion have indeed been recorded, but these were accidents, even suicides, that may be attributed to the mentally disoriented condition of LSD intoxication. The danger of LSD lies not in its toxicity, but rather in the unpredictability of its psychic effects.

Erowid link with more about the elephant
 
^That's awful. It did get me exploring the LSD vault at erowid again, and I found the report of the guy who shot LSD thinking it meth again. Turns out it was 320 mgs, more than they gave the elephant, FWIW.
 
Not sure if would work (New RC)

I was wondering if this would work,

As Pcp Is Illegal but 3-MeO-Pcp isn't

So what about as mdma is illegal so could there be 3-MeO-Mdma

Thanks
 
It depends on what you mean. The next carbon over from the para position can be numbered either as the 5 position or the 3 position. If you consider the methylenedioxy bridge to be at the 4,5 position it is a Pihkal comound MMDA and it is illegal in both the US and the UK. Also, 3-meo-pcp is not clearly legal in the US it could fall under the analog act. Prosecution is likely if sold for human consumption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_(drug)

If using the more common 3,4 numbering for the bridge, in an MDA molecule there'd be no hydrogen at the 3 position and a bond would have to be freed up by removing a double bond from the benzene ring.
 
It depends on what you mean. The next carbon over from the para position can be numbered either as the 5 position or the 3 position. If you consider the methylenedioxy bridge to be at the 4,5 position it is a Pihkal comound MMDA and it is illegal in both the US and the UK. Also, 3-meo-pcp is not clearly legal in the US it could fall under the analog act. Prosecution is likely if sold for human consumption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMDA_(drug)

If using the more common 3,4 numbering for the bridge, in an MDA molecule there'd be no hydrogen at the 3 position and a bond would have to be freed up by removing a double bond from the benzene ring.
Hope you don't object if I translate for the OP-Uhm, no.
 
To save the thread, N-Methyl-MMDA would be an interesting compound to explore, not sure how much diminished activity it would have compared to other N-Methylphens 5-HT2 agonists. I think only with MMDA-2 or MMDA-3 the respective N-Methyl compounds have been tasted.
 
I'm guessing if you take a graduated cylinder and pour in some chloroform, then on top of the chloroform some water, then on top of the water some ether, you'd have a nice 3-phase suspension. Now then pour a little safrole gently onto the suspension and slowly raise the ambient temperature. The ether would gradually evaporate until the specific gravity of the ether-safrole layer rises to 1, at which point you'd have turbulence as the safrole deposits through the water and into the chloroform.

This would be slightly more dramatic if the water is saturated with something that keeps the ether and the chloroform from emulsifying with the water.

I'm gonna get a bottle of safrole from a botanica so I can do this experiment.
 
From what I've seen methylating amphetamines only works if there is nothing at the 2,5 or 6 positions. Anything at those position turns it into a straight agonist rather than releaser and methylating it would only greatly fuckup/diminish/abolish activity
 
From what I've seen methylating amphetamines only works if there is nothing at the 2,5 or 6 positions. Anything at those position turns it into a straight agonist rather than releaser and methylating it would only greatly fuckup/diminish/abolish activity

Uh... wrong, but nice try.
 
6 position is the same as the two position with no substituents.... likewise, the 5 position because the 3 position. The mono- meta and orthro substituted amphetamines are very active as stimulants.
 
I'm currently not aware of such a connection. What makes you think there is one?

I don't know, it's probably nothing.

I am one of those few obscure people that have a real positive affinity to dextromethorphan, and I do it a lot.(please no one judge, or say "do a real drug" because believe me I have done a bunch, real and analogue)

I don't know it is probably in my top 5 of drugs I have ever tried. I get extremely serotonergic effects from it, loved up, empathetic and all that jazz. I have never really had negative effects from it.(until now possibly)

During my increasing use starting about a year ago, I noticed my heart rate and blood pressure would get extremely high on it. It has always stimulated me, but never sympathetic nervous system effects like this. Also I have been getting dysrhythmias when I am not on it. It is only a few skipped beats at a time, but it has been increasing over time since it has started last year. Now it does it once every other day, maybe every day. I admit I am a hypochondriac at times, but I know stimulants can cause this type of cardiomyopathy. I have had numerous ekg's, even on the stuff, and all docs say my heart is normal. I take pretty good care of my body, doing a lot of cardio weekly and eating right. I don't know this is just kind of scaring me, and naturally someone would just say "quit." I am just looking for some kind of answer.
 
Why does Water/H2O + DCM/Dichloromethane + Methanol/MEOH form a single phase solution? whereas water + DCM is two layers and Methanol + DCM is two layers also.
 
1. DCM and MeOH are miscible.

2. In the ternary mix DCM/MeOH/water, the MeOH serves as solution mediator, being of intermediate polarity, between water and DCM. I would think that the water sticks in such a solution mainly to methanol's OH-group. Therefore, the methanol-content decides how much water you can dissolve in a DCM/MeOH-mix.


Peace! - Murphy
 
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