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The ISIS Megathread

We probably set up ISIS just to play with our new $70 billion toys

=====> alternative theories

Part of it im sure but were just getting itchy for it. Getting anxious with the iraq thing coming to a close you know. Its not like we just cant not be in some type of war or conflict. Thats a foreign feeling Im sure for them. Too quiet. Also, there is just too much money to be made by too many people.

Its like people who scratch their heads wondering why the drug war hasnt been stopped. You would think that with so much evidence of how it basically does the complete opposite of what its supposed to do, the logical decision would be to end it. Again though, too much money for too many people with too much power.
 
Yea I'm sure their aggression has nothing to do with it.

War has been relatively constant as far back as anyone has an inkling of history.
 
Speaking of Australia

Extremist shot by police driven to kill by Islamic State

THE day after the Islamic State terror group urged its followers to kill Australians “in any manner”, Melbourne teenager Abdul Numan Haider packed the three things he knew he would need for his appointment with the police.

He grabbed a large knife and a small knife from his home in suburban southeast Melbourne. He also folded his cherished black and white Islamic State flag so that it fitted neatly into his pocket.

The 18-year-old trainee electrician then slipped behind the wheel of his silver sedan and drove to his death.

Perhaps Haider, an Australian of Afghan heritage, thought he could move fast enough to kill the two policemen before they could kill him. Or perhaps he knew this was a suicide mission.

Either way, only seconds after he arrived at the Endeavour Hills police station for a meeting with two counter-terrorism police, Haider’s war on behalf of Islamic State was over, his lifeless body lying near the two seriously injured policemen.

Barely a fortnight after security agencies raised Australia’s alert level to “high”, the nation is confronting its first terror-related attack on home soil.

Haider’s story, like that of Sydney man Omarjan Azari, who was arrested last week for an alleged plot to behead an Australian, is a tale of an impressionable young Australian Muslim who became so entranced by the murderous ideology of Islamic State that he saw himself as an Islamic State soldier in a foreign land. Although Haider was not thought to harbour radical views as a student at the Lyndale Secondary College in Dandenong North, that changed when he befriended a small group of hardline Muslims at the al-Furqan Islamic centre in Springvale.

IN DEPTH Terror hits home

This group, thought to number about 30, is led by a radical self-styled sheik called Harun Mehicevic, also known as Abu Talha, and is known to authorities for its radical Salafist interpretation of Islam, its open hostility to the West and its support for radical jihadist causes.

“He was very close to the brothers at that (al-Furqan) centre,” a friend of Haider, Maryam Taylor Muhammad, told The Australian last night. “They were devastated when they heard what happened to him yesterday. They came here (to the centre) and were very upset.”

Two years ago, police raids on 11 homes connected with the al-Furqan centre resulted in the arrest of Adnan Karabegovic on charges of possessing the banned al-Qa’ida magazine Inspire, including an edition that uses a picture of the Sydney Opera House in a section on bomb-making.

Police raided the centre after an embarrassing bungle when an ASIO informer inside the group lost his mobile phone and it was picked up by a member of the centre, who found 60 texts to an ASIO agent known only as “Jay”.

“By the will of Allah the Almighty The Best of Plotters we expose a spy amongst us — working for ASIO,” group member Yasin Rizvic thundered on Facebook at the time.

Haider spent a lot of time at this centre, but he also prayed regularly under the giant glass chandelier in the cavernous prayer hall at the nearby Hallam mosque, which espouses a mainstream interpretation of Islam.

According to a work history he published on the internet, Haider had begun training as an electrician at the Chisolm Institute of TAFE in Dandenong and previously had worked packing shelves at a Coles supermarket, where says he learned “working as a team and following constant instructions with speed and accuracy”. However, earlier this year Haider is believed to have attended lectures at the al-Furqan centre by radical Perth-born cleric Junaid Thorne. Thorne, whose brother was jailed for terrorism-related offences in Saudi Arabia, sat in front of an Islamic State flag and encouraged Haider, among others, to show their “might” against disbelievers. Thorne issued a long statement last night accusing police of “murdering in cold blood” a “normal good practising young Muslim youth”.

By the middle of this year, Haider had become entranced by the murderous advance of Islamic State in Iraq and the growing number of Australians seeking to go overseas to fight.

On July 25, at the Fountaingate shopping centre in Narre Warren in southeast Melbourne, police were called to a disturbance involving a group of young Muslim men who were loudly debating the notion of jihadism and martyrdom. Earlier that week it had been reported that Melbourne man Adam Dahman, who was the same age as Haider, had become Australia’s first suicide bomber after he detonated a belt bomb in a marketplace near Baghdad, killing five people.

Police attended the disturbance and took note of Haider. Shortly afterwards security agencies, including ASIO, began to monitor the teenager more closely, noting that his views had become more aggressive and extremist.

His friend Maryam denies that Haider harboured radical views. “He was not extreme. He was very well liked in our community and went out of his way to help his brothers,” she said.

She admitted Haider talked about the raids and also about the conflict in Syria, but said: “Everyone in our community talks about this stuff. We all get passionate about our brothers and sisters getting killed.”

Several weeks ago authorities learned that Haider was planning to leave Australia to become a jihadist soldier with Islamic State.

On the eve of the large terror raids in Sydney and Queensland last week, ASIO cancelled his passport.

The news that Islamic State supporters in Sydney had been targeted in the raids appeared to send Haider into a rage. The following day, last Friday, he walked through the Dandenong Mall and the Dandenong Plaza Shopping Centre waving a giant Islamic State flag. Police on a routine patrol stopped and questioned him. Haider made no threats and withdrew peacefully.

On Facebook Haider posted a photo of himself in military fatigues holding an Islamic State flag next to a statement which said: “Let’s not put the focus on other things. The main message I’m sending with these statuses and photos is to the dogs of the Australian Federal Police and ASIO who are declaring war on Islam and Muslims.”

This week, Victoria’s Joint Counter-Terrorism Taskforce contacted Haider and requested a meeting to discuss his views and his recent activity.

In a statement last night, Thorne, the radical preacher who lectured Haider, claimed that police visited Haider’s house shortly before their fateful meeting but he was not home so they searched his room. “Upon hearing this the young boy got mad,” Thorne said. Police sources dispute Thorne’s account, confirming that police did visit the house, but only for the purpose of talking with him, not to conduct a search.

Security agencies believe the motivation for the attempted murder of the two policemen was the exhortation by the terror group the previous day to kill an Australian, even down to the choice of the murder weapon.

“If you can kill a disbelieving American or European … or Australian … then rely upon Allah and kill him in any manner or way however it may be,” Islamic State spokesman Abu Muhammad al-Adnani said in a call to arms on Monday that received global coverage.

“Do not ask for anyone’s advice and do not seek anyone’s verdict,” he said, adding that if you are “not able to find an IED (improvised explosive device) or bullet” then find a knife to “slaughter” the disbeliever.

A day after that statement, Haider arrived at the Endeavour Hills police station at about 7.40pm on Tuesday for his prearranged meeting with a counter-terror officer from the Victoria Police and from the AFP.

They met in the car park in front of the station because Haider had told them he did not want to meet inside the station. Neither officer was expecting violence.

The teenager stepped out of his car, one of the officers gestured to shake his hand and Haider then pulled out his knife, frantically trying to stab both men. Witnesses claim Haider was shouting abuse about Tony Abbott and the government when one of the officers fired a single shot, killing him, but not before sustaining serious injuries themselves for which they remain in hospital.

So did Haider, who says he learned to “follow instructions with speed and accuracy” as a supermarket shelf-packer in suburban Melbourne, go to his death on the instructions of Islamic State? The early evidence suggests he did, proving another chilling reminder that this distant terror group has never been closer to home.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-...by-islamic-state/story-fnpdbcmu-1227069659634
 
And

Australian Defence Force officer, sailor attacked in Sydney

AN Australian Defence Force officer and a sailor have been attacked in two separate Sydney incidents.

Police say a 41-year-old ADF serving member was in full uniform when he was allegedly approached by two men of Middle Eastern appearance in Bella Vista this morning.

The officer told police he was threatened and assaulted about 6.30am, leaving him with minor bruising.

The attack comes amid reports that police were investigating an alleged attack on a sailor in full navy uniform in the centre of the CBD today.

The sailor’s assailant was also allegedly a man of Middle Eastern appearance.

ADF personnel have been warned to be careful when wearing their uniform in public following today’s Bella Vista incident.

A Defence spokesperson says officers have been told to use their judgment when considering going out in uniform.

Defence last week raised the alert level at all its bases and establishments.

The move came after the national terrorism public alert level was increased to high
 
The Age (newspaper) screwed up and published an innocent boys face identifying him as the boy who attacked the Aussie officers. The kid who was wrongly published is full fucked up. This is gonna screw his life on some unreal proportions for years to come and its all because The Age fucked up and were too keen to grab Facebook images and get on it first. Jesus Christ unreal the name was nowhere near the same and the two looked pretty damn different. :\

http://www.news.com.au/national/vic...y-morning-herald/story-fnii5sms-1227070191380
 
Speaking of Australia

http://www.theage.com.au/nsw/armed-...y-islamic-school-reports-20140925-10m729.html

Police have swarmed an Islamic school in western Sydney after reports of an intruder threatening staff and students with a knife.

Officers were called to Al-Faisal College in Minto on Thursday afternoon amid reports that an armed man had entered school grounds and was asking if it was a Muslim school.

Police said the man entered the school on Benham Road about 2.10pm, spoke with a female staff member and left a short time later. He was last seen on Kitson Road.

A crime scene was established by police.

Primary school students hid under their desks while those from the high school were gathered in a prayer hall as the school went into lockdown, one mother said.

The mother, who did not wish to be named, said she was greeted by a swarm of police when arriving to pick up her children.

"I am still pretty much in shock," the mother said.

"I am keeping my younger two [children] home tomorrow, one doesn't want to go back there."

Mariam Veiszadah, spokesperson for Islamophobia Register Australia, said she had spoken to two parents from the school and a community leader who was in contact with the head of the school.

They had reported a man running onto school grounds, asking if it was a "Muslim school" and then pulling out a knife and threatening a teacher and students.

Ms Veiszadah said she believed the man didn't manage to get inside the classroom because the doors were locked, but he later fled into an office and threatened female staff.

Ms Veiszadah said: "We are very shocked and saddened to hear about this incident. Distressed parents of affected students arrived at the school earlier today and found it surrounded by police officers and the SWAT team."

The man has been described as being of Pacific Islander appearance, 20 to 25 years of age, and of an obese build. He was wearing brown khaki pants and a green shirt at the time of the incident.

Also on Thursday, a member of the Australian Defence Force told police he was assaulted and threatened outside his home in Sydney's north-west.

Anyone with information is asked to contact Crime Stoppers on 1800 333 000.

- with AAP
 
It might have taken inciting a race war but, hey, at least the governmentt got a bump in the latest Newspoll! 8(
 
^ It is fucking crazy isn't it, the racial tensions in this Country are getting out of control very quickly, I will be surprised if we don't see something like the Cronulla riots on an even bigger scale at the rate things are going.

I would be willing to bet that a significant amount of the same minority of Muslim's currently committing or planning to commit these violent acts in the name of the Islamic State are the same Muslim's that the Government prevented from flying over to Syria to take up the cause there. Works out pretty conveniently for the Government, already I see so much blind support for pretty much any law or war that could be perceived as against Muslims. It is really disappointing how easily a lot of White Australians get stirred into a frenzy of xenophobia.
 
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Two teens charged after death threats allegedly screamed at Christian school

Onlookers said the teens threatened to ‘kill the Christians’ and slaughter their children outside school in Sydney’s west
Two teenagers have been charged after death threats were allegedly screamed at a Christian school in Sydney’s west.

A 14-year-old was in the front passenger seat of a red hatchback when he allegedly began yelling abuse outside the Maronite College of the Holy Family in Harris Park on 16 September.

Onlookers said the boy and the car’s driver threatened to “kill the Christians” and slaughter their children while brandishing an Islamic State flag out the window.

Police said an 18-year-old was arrested on Wednesday evening, and had been charged with intimidating a school staff member and behaving in an offensive manner. The man, who was a juvenile at the time of the incident, was granted conditional bail to appear in a children’s court on 20 October.

A 14-year-old boy was arrested by police on Tuesday and will appear in a children’s court on 13 October on the same charges.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hreats-allegedly-screamed-at-christian-school
 
The Qur'an states that if there is an issue with interpreting the "prophet's" message, the verses that come after should be used. The Qur'an was more peaceful in the beginning verses. Later verses adopt a more violent, aggressive tone. Some say the so "sword verses" abrogate so many of the "peace verses". Many examples of sword verses could clearly justify the actions of "Isis".


Wikipedia said:
Abrogation

Main article: Naskh (tafsir)
Charles Matthews writes that there is a "large debate about what the Quran commands as regards the "sword verses" and the "peace verses". According to Matthews, "the question of the proper prioritization of these verses, and how they should be understood in relation to one another, has been a central issue for Islamic thinking about war."[23]

The earlier suras were "revealed" to Muhammad in Mecca; the later suras were revealed while he was in Medina.[24] Prior to the Hijra travel, the prophet Muhammad struggled non-violently against his oppressors in Mecca.[25] It wasn't until after the exile that the Quranic revelations began to adopt a more defensive perspective.[26]

According to Oliver Leaman, a number of Islamic jurists asserted the primacy of the “sword verses” over the conciliatory verses in specific historical circumstances.[27] For example, according to Diane Morgan, Ibn Kathir (1301–1372) asserted that the Sword Verse abrogated all peace treaties that had been promulgated between the Prophet and idolaters.[28]

Modernists reject the abrogating status of the so-called sword verses, which would result in the abrogation (naskh) of numerous Quranic verses that counsel peace and reconciliation.[29][30]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quran_and_violence

Its funny how people go against the apparent direction of the Qur'an to interpret the Qur'an. Modernists are just trying to fit in. Trying to avoid conflict. Peaceful majority...
 
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But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Qur'an 9:5

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Qur'an 9:29

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Abrogations_in_the_Qur'an
 
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The Qur'an states that if there is an issue with interpreting the "prophet's" message, the verses that come after should be used. The Qur'an was more peaceful in the beginning verses. Later verses adopt a more violent, aggressive tone. Some say the so "sword verses" abrogate so many of the "peace verses". Many examples of sword verses could clearly justify the actions of "Isis".




Its funny how people go against the apparent direction of the Qur'an to interpret the Qur'an. Modernists are just trying to fit in. Trying to avoid conflict. Peaceful majority...

Why do rely on anti-Islamic fundamentalist Christians interpretations the Qur'an? It's almost as if you WANT to have all of your preconceived biased confirmed! I would never have expected that form such a well rounded and intellectually inquisitive sort like you 8)
 
Wikipedia said:
Islamic Modernism is a movement that has been described as "the first Muslim ideological response"[1] which attempted to reconcile Islamic faith with modern Western values such as nationalism, democracy, civil rights, rationality, equality and progress.[2] It featured a "critical reexamination of the classical conceptions and methods of jurisprudence" and a new approach to Islamic theology and Quranic exegesis (Tafsir).[1]

It was the first of several Islamic movements - including secularism, Islamism and Salafism - that emerged in the middle of the 19th Century in reaction to the rapid changes of the time, especially the perceived onslaught of Western Civilization and colonialism on the Muslim world.[2]

Modernism differs from secularism in that it insists on the importance of religious faith in public life, and from Salafism or Islamism in that it embraces contemporary European institutions, social processes and values.[2]

An attempt to reconcile. To fit it in.
 
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