The gun thread, reloaded.

[gimpan]

Do you know who else was like Hitler? Answer: Hitler, that guy Hitlered around more than almost anyone in history.

I hate how pro gun Americans sometimes shy away from the argument that guns are fun, its fun to shoot things, its fun to own powerful things, stop trying to end peoples fun.

 

[L2R]

Fun is a seriously far better argument than self defence (self harm would be more accurate) or any garbage about rights (the founding fuhrers were all poofs).

I respect fun. It's fucking honest.

 

[bloodshed344]

Ok, you ignored my point and called me Hitler. You're the most fucking retarded person I've ever had respond to me. My point is that if there are people with GUNS around you (that means ANY TYPE OF PERSON) then you need a GUN to defend yourself.

All enforcement of power in the world is concentrated in the hands of those who have guns. Can you actually disprove my point or just call me Hitler?

Fucking stupid.

Fun is a seriously far better argument than self defence (self harm would be more accurate) or any garbage about rights (the founding fuhrers were all poofs).

I respect fun. It's fucking honest.

Yeah, you're really proving that you would rather talk than think about things. You haven't even thought about the shit stinking from your breath.

Lol points, do you know who else had points? Hitler.

Whether it is legal to have guns or not, if you raise one to the police, you will legally be put down.

End of your retarded NRA propaganda story.

Alasdairms "point" was that the crap you pose as fact are actually opinions. I agree with him.

That's just proof for my point that there's a propaganda to campaign to paint people who defend constitutional rights under some kind of brush. I'm a teapartying NRA racist gun nut, right?

oh and in regards to being "legally put down" you sound like a sociopath. I'm not talking about only police, I'm talking about ANYONE with guns. If someone threatens you with guns you need a gun or you don't have the right to defend yourself. The right to defend yourself is the most important right for life.

I don't care if you don't believe me or not, plenty of people in America have guns: police, security guards, military, reserves, gangs, law-abiding citizens, drug dealers, hunters... there are many. Until some effort is made to rid the ones in power of guns, the citizens should not be disarmed. To suggest otherwise is to bow down to tyranny.

 

[paranoid android]

All enforcement of power in the world is concentrated in the hands of those who have guns.

Well wealth equals power which equals the bourgeois defending that power by any means at their disposal. So that goes without saying and is one of the best arguments against gun control. The elites already have far more political power then the masses so why give them even more power?

I'm not talking about only police, I'm talking about ANYONE with guns. If someone threatens you with guns you need a gun or you don't have the right to defend yourself. The right to defend yourself is the most important right for life.

Well if someone already has a gun pointed at you it's abit too late to pull yours. Unless your like Clint Eastwood in a Fistful of Dollars where you can do a quick draw and blow away 6 people who have guns pointed on you . Well okay maybe if the person pointing a gun at you was really really drunk you could do it. However if say i am after getting into a fight and the guy says he's going to come to my house with a gun and shoot me you had better bet that i am going to grab the shotgun to protect myself. Self defense is a human right as far as i am concerned.

As Malcolm X once said "I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense, i call it intelligence"

 

['medicine cabinet']

there are a number of sayings in gun circles you will hear like, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6, or rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it, dont bring a knife to a gunfight...there are plenty more. i for one happen to think its just another type of tool for ppl to use. who wants to hunt with a snare and line in some remote dangerous wilderness when they could have a gun. youre not taking a giant buck at 250yrds with a bow either. and yeah, it is fun to shoot stuff. no denying that. thing is unless you are pretty wealthy and reloading your own ammo it isnt really economically feaseable to go and shoot hundreds of rounds of ammo unless its like 22lr, which is harder to find a brick of than ever....pricier too. if im around a bunch of ppl that have guns, criminals ect, yeah, i want a gun to protect myself and anyone else. when some psycho fuck pulls a gun intent on planting you in the ground because he wants your phone or shoes, and in reality is still going to kill you anyway for a thrill kill. you going to try and run and chance you wont be hit? there is a limit to it all tho...no civilian need an auto matic weapon or burst weapon in any caliber. just last month some old guy shot and killed 2 intruders with a 22 pistol, the intruders had larger cal guns. if you are a wicked shot, then you can obviously drop someone with a tiny little 22lr. i get having a powerful gun, as i own a few (moderate here, nothing bigger than a 45, which is almost tame by todays standards since you can get pistols that will shoot .308 lolwut?) people buying 50 cal guns and rifles just doesnt make sense to me. its super expensive to shoot it, you need 2 sets of ear buds, and youre going to need gloves as to not get powder burns. thats no fun.

and the issue about someone pointing a gun at you if you dont have yours drawn, its practice to draw quick. and how many here have seen those wildest police videos wherethere are 2 idiots wildly shooting a few feet from each other and missing every round in the mags? happens a lot. but it only takes one shot to the right stop to kill you, so the odds on that are pretty high, giving you just a few secs maybe to draw your gun and get a few rounds off, hoping you are a better shot. ive got a laser grip on my 45 so its made me lazy when i shoot that, but the others i need to remember my basics. dont be a hero, dont go looking to be a hero, but if its yu or someone whos looking to do you in, in my mind im going to do all i can to ensure its them and not me. also i dont believe in shooting to wound, you only pull the trigger on something you want to kill. one of the first things you learn next to dont keep your finger on the trigger. this thread will go on for years lol

 

[bloodshed344]

there is a limit to it all tho...no civilian need an auto matic weapon or burst weapon in any caliber. just last month some old guy shot and killed 2 intruders with a 22 pistol, the intruders had larger cal guns.

I would agree with this however there's plenty of threats to civilians with these types of weapons which means civilians need to be able to arm themselves just as well the aggressors or they've lost the right to self-defense. Yeah, I don't agree with everyone having an AR-15, obviously, but there's madness in our society currently.

The point about the elite having more guns as being an argument for gun control? No, that's an argument for having guns to defend yourself from the elite.

You make good points but I just don't think you're fully realizing the reasons why I'm saying what I am. I'm interested in more good points and less L2R.

 

['medicine cabinet']

im guessing out west yea there would be more ppl with auto type weapons, but they are pretty rare. esp considering if you wanted to try and buy one you could buy a brand new car for the same price as the transfer. or you buy a drop in sear and do some machining if you are so capable. those things cost like what, 50 bucks or so?

 

[Droppersneck]

I think guns should be illegal for hunting and only used for their constitutional purposes.

 

[Joeof1]

^^ LULZ!

Well if someone already has a gun pointed at you it's abit too late to pull yours. Unless your like Clint Eastwood in a Fistful of Dollars where you can do a quick draw and blow away 6 people who have guns pointed on you . Well okay maybe if the person pointing a gun at you was really really drunk you could do it. However if say i am after getting into a fight and the guy says he's going to come to my house with a gun and shoot me you had better bet that i am going to grab the shotgun to protect myself. Self defense is a human right as far as i am concerned.

As Malcolm X once said "I don't even call it violence when it's in self defense, i call it intelligence"

Being that I know you have likely never touched a firearm, if you are carrying one, you are generally more aware of your surroundings, as you've taken a step in the direction of situational awareness by being aware that you should be armed to protect yourself.

Basically what I am saying is that you haven't a clue what you are talking about, and should not be speaking as if you do. I am a CCW holder, and I carry 24/7 every where I go. I do not let people get close to me if I do not know them.

 

[Apostacious]

^^ LULZ!



Being that I know you have likely never touched a firearm, if you are carrying one, you are generally more aware of your surroundings, as you've taken a step in the direction of situational awareness by being aware that you should be armed to protect yourself.

Basically what I am saying is that you haven't a clue what you are talking about, and should not be speaking as if you do. I am a CCW holder, and I carry 24/7 every where I go. I do not let people get close to me if I do not know them.

Touched inappropriately before much?

 

[L2R]

Ok, you ignored my point and called me Hitler. You're the most fucking retarded person I've ever had respond to me. My point is that if there are people with GUNS around you (that means ANY TYPE OF PERSON) then you need a GUN to defend yourself.

All enforcement of power in the world is concentrated in the hands of those who have guns. Can you actually disprove my point or just call me Hitler?

Fucking stupid.

First you crack the shits at being questioned and now you want "disproof". Right. Derp on.

I actually responded directly to your point, but you missed it.

Yeah, you're really proving that you would rather talk than think about things. You haven't even thought about the shit stinking from your breath.

Wonderful substance there.

That's just proof for my point that there's a propaganda to campaign to paint people who defend constitutional rights under some kind of brush. I'm a teapartying NRA racist gun nut, right?

I said nothing about racism. I don't even know if you are male or female, let alone the shade of your skin. You do, however, run on the simple and abundantly stupid premise of self defence.

oh and in regards to being "legally put down" you sound like a sociopath. I'm not talking about only police, I'm talking about ANYONE with guns. If someone threatens you with guns you need a gun or you don't have the right to defend yourself. The right to defend yourself is the most important right for life.

I don't care if you don't believe me or not, plenty of people in America have guns: police, security guards, military, reserves, gangs, law-abiding citizens, drug dealers, hunters... there are many. Until some effort is made to rid the ones in power of guns, the citizens should not be disarmed. To suggest otherwise is to bow down to tyranny.

What tyranny?

your argument revolves around standing up to the government. My point is no law authorised lethal force against the state, and any such attempts of "self defence" will ultimately lead more directly to self harm.

 

[Droppersneck]

Touched inappropriately before much?

LMAO!

I can comment on this b/c I am a CCW holder that very rarely carries. What is the point when you live in white bread america? To be prepared? Prepared for what?

 

[paranoid android]

Being that I know you have likely never touched a firearm, if you are carrying one, you are generally more aware of your surroundings, as you've taken a step in the direction of situational awareness by being aware that you should be armed to protect yourself.

Basically what I am saying is that you haven't a clue what you are talking about, and should not be speaking as if you do. I am a CCW holder, and I carry 24/7 every where I go. I do not let people get close to me if I do not know them.

Really now you know that i have likely never touched a gun? Are you telepathic? 8)

I live in rural Canada where people hunt moose, caribou as well as small game like Rabbits, grouse, etc all the time and have never touched a gun yes that makes perfect sense 8) . We always had guns in our house and currently we have a 12 gauge pump action winchester and a single shot full choke 16 gauge Cooey as well as a .22 rifle with the guts missing out of the mag at the moment. We did have a .303 but my fucking dad sold it when i was up on the mainland. I have only used a handgun once and it would be a total waste of money for me to buy one as i have no need for it. I have never used a assault rifle before but like a handgun i would have no need for the thing. Though since there is a cull on Coyotes here and you can get paid $50 for each of them a .223 caliber assault rifle like the AR-15 would be perfect for killing them pests. Granted i could do nearly as good with any old rifle i just couldn't kill them in rapid succession like i could with a semi auto armalite.

I can see why you would need to carry a handgun 24/7 with a personality like yours

 

[Joeof1]

Touched inappropriately before much?

More like I don't want people like you around me IRL. Most of you I would not let near me because you have rather uncivil beliefs and ideologies that I would rather avoid dealing with.

LMAO!

I can comment on this b/c I am a CCW holder that very rarely carries. What is the point when you live in white bread america? To be prepared? Prepared for what?

I live in Arizona. There are no white people where I live.

Really now you know that i have likely never touched a gun? Are you telepathic? 8)

I live in rural Canada where people hunt moose, caribou as well as small game like Rabbits, grouse, etc all the time and have never touched a gun yes that makes perfect sense 8) . We always had guns in our house and currently we have a 12 gauge pump action winchester and a single shot full choke 16 gauge Cooey as well as a .22 rifle with the guts missing out of the mag at the moment. We did have a .303 but my fucking dad sold it when i was up on the mainland. I have only used a handgun once and it would be a total waste of money for me to buy one as i have no need for it. I have never used a assault rifle before but like a handgun i would have no need for the thing. Though since there is a cull on Coyotes here and you can get paid $50 for each of them a .223 caliber assault rifle like the AR-15 would be perfect for killing them pests. Granted i could do nearly as good with any old rifle i just couldn't kill them in rapid succession like i could with a semi auto armalite.

I can see why you would need to carry a handgun 24/7 with a personality like yours

That's cute, so you don't live around other people but feel compelled to tell those of us that live in cities with populations above our extended family how to live.

It's not my personality, it's your collectivist friends that don't respect private property and would rather steal than earn or produce that make me carry it.

 

[L2R]

So, how many thefts have you prevented lately?

 

['medicine cabinet']

50 per coyote? Are they that bad up there? Id love to have a ccw but its pretty damn tough to get one in this state. If i drive into the city your damn right im bringing my 229r .40 (short and wimpy lol) with good hollow points im basically carrying the eqquiv to the cops, obv works for them with the number of ppl they kill with the 40 cart.

 

[Bardeaux]

It's not my personality, it's your collectivist friends that don't respect private property and would rather steal than earn or produce that make me carry it.

Because production is a simple choice. Why be poor? Just acquire a large enough stake of economic property....and produce! It's not difficult.

 

[Joeof1]

So, how many thefts have you prevented lately?

I've prevented myself getting jumped a total of 3 times since I started carrying here. Not sure why that should even matter because my right to self defense is not open for negotiation, and I honestly do not give two shits what anyone says about it. It's my choice, not yours.

Because production is a simple choice. Why be poor? Just acquire a large enough stake of economic property....and produce! It's not difficult.

I bet you have all sorts of friends with that attitude. I bet they are all high quality types as well....


Oh yeah /sarc.

 

[Bardeaux]

I bet you have all sorts of friends with that attitude. I bet they are all high quality types as well....


Oh yeah /sarc.

As a professor of a social science you should be a little more analytical and a little less personal in your debates. Comments like these are to be expected from your freshmen students.

Let your high horse graze for awhile.

 

[Joeof1]

As a professor of a social science you should be a little more analytical and a little less personal in your debates. Comments like these are to be expected from your freshmen students.

Let your high horse graze for awhile.

You behave like a child, I treat you like one.