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The Future of Research Chemicals and the Consequences on Drug Laws

jenkem

jenkem

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A simple thought, but I think it might be interesting to discuss:

Just now I stumbled upon yet another new research chemical supplier website (there's obviously thousands of these businesses). It seems to me however, that the business is becoming far more mainstream and well-known to the average person - this site in particular was advertised to me by Google!

What also surprised me was the number of chemicals available on there that were unheard of to me. It's been a while since I browsed what was popular and/or available with regards to RC's, but still no more than one or two years. But most or all of the drugs available on this site were completely new to me (although after a little research it was pretty easy to see that they are just relatively simple variations of slightly less recent RC's). But it seems to me like the rate of new chemicals hitting the market is increasing dramatically.

So I'm thinking... if this continues, we will almost definitely see an inability of the law to keep up with the creation of new RC's (I was sceptical of this idea when I first heard it a few years back, but now I'm convinced it will become a reality), as well as some pretty dire consequences as a result of some of these chemicals (deaths, long term issues, etc.). So lawmakers as I see it will sooner or later be faced with two options:

1. Most likely: Extend analogue laws to the point that they just ban any 'psychotropic substance'. But the fact that an 'umm, except alcohol and tobacco' clause would have to be included I think would give our side of the argument a lot more moral leverage.

2. Far less likely, but probably will happen after option 1 inevitably fails: Educate the public on the harms of these chemicals, and somehow allow safer alternatives (say, MDMA and weed) to be introduced.

It seems to me like there's too much money to be made for this business to disappear without a fight, and more likely than anything it'll just keep growing, and this will of course lead to some big problems.

What do you guys reckon? Any predictions?
 
You should hide that post, it'll probably take them a few more years to realise.


If all RCs get banned we will see a huge rise in illegal drug trade. Goodluck to the Gov to find cheap available testers for every new drug that comes out
 
Wake me when they create a RC that has the loved up feeling of MDMA that lasts from 10pm to 6am with no sign of a suicide Tuesday. Personally the holy trinity of MDMA, LSD/shrooms and weed are far more enjoyable with more predictable side effects than any RC that has been released on the market. The 2C's have their appeal but with each passing year it all gets too muddied and the old faithfuls are what most punters want.

It will all come to a head once we tapped directly into the mind with a digital drug that recreates each drug experience through a small USB 5.0 socket located at the base of your brain stem. It will be near impossible to argue against these experiences when you have the ability to put your trip on hold and answer that phone call from your mum.
 
Lucky for you, I have lost the magic for MDMA and LSD produces the most amount of side effects of all the psychs I have tried :(.
 
The thing about RC's is that in many cases they make their way into traditional drug markets (particularly the 'ecstasy' market) and that is where the majority of illicit revenue genrated by these substances stems from. Your average drug user sadly is not educated at all on the subject of drugs and the majority really have no understanding of what a research chemical is nor the way drugs work in general. Most people importing RC's are quite savvy when it comes to the way drugs work, their similarities and in most cases have some decent connections into our existing illicit drug market. While most that frequent sites like bluelight and the like have genuine intention of making themselves, their friends and others safer through making informed decisions based on the gathering of reliable information there will always be a select few that will choose to exploit the similarity of certain RCs to mainstream drugs as well as their relative inexpense compared to our quite exhorbitantly priced illicit drug market in this country.

I do not see RC's ever developing a strong niche in Australia the same way drugs like mephedrone have in the UK but is is unquestionable that for years now the black market drug industry has been polluted by these gray area so called research chemicals that a few have been wise and selfish enough to take advantage of. It seems like MDMA is making a little bit of a comeback, and with a trend leaning more and more towards meth obsession in this country I do predict RC's becoming less of a regular occurrence but they will always be there. Some may read this post and think I have something against RC's, I certainly don't, I just think its a crying shame that a huge percentage of RC's marketed by drug dealers in this country are done so under false pretences to uneducated youths.
 
I think mephedrone did get fairly widely used amongst certain subsections of the Aussie population - I think the main thing holding back its widespread use here are the lower population and probably more importantly, the lower population concentration. I know that it got very popular here, especially amongst the lower socioeconomic population through out the Western suburbs of Melbourne. Any drug knowledge amongst these people is all to often viewed completely negatively - even using codeine is seen as 'dirty drug use' whereas smack is cool. I know that anything I tried to tell my friends about what I knew about meph was immediately shot down as in the populations I know, personal experience rules, and anything else is immediately distrusted.
 
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I believe 4-FA and 4-FMA have been sold as meth in Aus for a little while now, 4-FMA will test positive for meth on a pill tester but can't remember which one.
 
footscrazy said:
Any drug knowledge amongst these people is all to often viewed completely negatively - even using codeine is seen as 'dirty drug use' whereas smack is cool. I know that anything I tried to tell my friends about what I knew about meph was immediately shot down as in the populations I know, personal experience rules, and anything else is immediately distrusted.
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QFT! This is such an issue amongst most of my friends and drug users I have associated with (in South East, not West, so obviously is not a geographic problem but is likely worse amongst lower socio economic areas as footscrazy suggested) and it fucking baffles me. I even have close friends who have come to realise that when I tell them something about drugs I haven't just pulled it out my ass but still they continue to base their stigmas on what their peers think as opposed to logic.

Theres a fuckload of RC's about but in the majority of circumstances they are not sold as what they are, but rather under the guise of being a drug they were said to imitate, a mix between several mainstream drugs that between them share many common effects of said RC, or under a ridiculous brand name to come across as hip and new.

I was a bit out of it when I initially posted in this thread and kinda failed to hit the main point of discussion. Realistically I think that our analogue laws are fairly wide and not likely to be expanded aside from situations like we are now seeing with kronic/synthetic cannabanoids where something not covered creeps its way into our market and gets media attention and is specifically banned. I remember reading a while ago in Scotland they basically planned to outlaw anything that wasn't alcohol or tobacco pretty much that could give someone a feeling of intoxication, I do not recall if this was a proposal or something that was actually passed. Realistically even under this law there will be common household items/substances, health food supplements and pharmaceuticals which are capable of inducing a feeling of intoxication and in my opinion it is an attempt at outlawing any drug being marketed as a legal high.
 
Meth. Its not even here properly yet.. When The Dark Blanket of Meth Descends on Oz, we'll know about it.. and the word LIFE will have to be spelt METH
 
^^lol wtf? as in meth amp.?

not to derail the thread but I was actually thinkin about it on the weekend and the 'dark blanket of meth' has defiantly descended over oz.. nearly all drug users are on it (including old school hammer addicts), every cunts cookin it and the amount of armed robberies, residential + commercial break-ins in W.A has like more than trippled in the last year or so.. Im not sayin meths the problem but these people defiantly aren't on the smack :\ (and none of them seemed to be involved in any organized crime either, their just straight out 'junkies' that need some quick cash)

Ive had mates in the last 6 - 12 months (these people bein in their late teens to early twenties) go from "ewww fuckn crack, fuck that shit.. you're a crackhead" to "wheres the fuckn rocks at?!"

fuckin methidemic...
 
Fuck aye, I agree on the meth thing.
So many cunts these days, you can tell by having a 5 min walk and looking at the faces of some of these people.
 
^ I definately agree that meth/ice is taking over and it is sad to see how many have succumbed to it in the last year or so, lets not derail this thread any further though as meth addiction really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
 
farquit said:
Who calls meth crack or rock? you can have crack rock or meth rock. You certainly can't be a crackhead on meth though; semantics.
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pretty much the whole W.A drug using population (and possibly some fellow Aussies interstate)

what planet are you from brah? do ya come in peace?
 
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