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The Future of Drugs

I don't know about the future of drugs in the west, but I seen a documentary about this substance they make out of codeine in Russia. They called it krokodil. It LITERALLY eats their flesh. Theirs a video on YouTube of one a nurse/doctor going trough one guys visible bones with something that looked like a cheese cutter. The bones in his leg were cleary visibily because all the fless had fallen off them, even the muscle. The flesh that was supposed to be his foot was nothing but mush in a shoe.
 
Yeah that shit is nasty.. they make it from codeine tablets but the shit they have to mix in to cause the reaction is really nasty. Desomorphine itself isn't the issue.. it's the nasty street method synthesis that causes it to be so harmful.
 
Real life Soma.

Maybe not within our lifetimes but definitely in the future (if humanity lasts that long. I think we'll be done by like 2060 anyway lol). Drugs are a good way to control people; keep em high and happy! Think of how much bullshit you'll put up with for your entire life if you're high on skag 24/7. Never would stand up against anything. Instead we'd all just say "Fuck it" and do another shot/line/pill. After all, 'soma is what they would take when hard times opened their eyes.'

I am sensing something great coming very soon. Will post more about it later.

Waitin. Guessin you're gonna say something similar to thiis.
 
Captain.Heroin, do tell? What is it that you sense coming? A new drug mashup that mixes the buzz of cocaine with the psychedelic experience of shrooms and the happy sensation of XTC?
 
Hey Alex000, I'm from the UK and from what I understand cannabis use has actually declined over here because of what's happened with tobacco. Basically since the smoking ban (2007) smoking in general has become more stigmatized and because of this young people are staying clear of it -- and that includes cannabis smoking. Although having said, I think I sense a general easing of people's attitude towards cannabis use. I'm sure in the UK, although drugs will never be legalised, the police will increasingly turn a blind eye (and perhaps to other recreational drugs) but people will continue to consume them. So we'll be caught in a weird half-way house where drugs aren't legal (so their quality still suffers) but consuming them won't be scorned upon as much -- so we're be stuck in a weird stalemate. You just have to hope that as generations grow older their attitudes to drugs will change the drug policies.
 
What about drugs in the Future?

I'm sure this has been asked before but recently to me it has become a much more prominent debate that the public and politicians need to have.

Anyway I ponder about this, what will drugs be like in 10? 20 years? As we see more and more drugs coming onto the market what will the policys and the drugs themselves be like in a few years.
I have personally tried several legal/new drugs(Methoxetamine, 6-apb, Methiopropamine and others) all of which try to "mimic"
the effects of "older drugs", but we have hardly any information about what the long term or even short and medium effects to the body/mind are.
Does this mean we are safer taking the old drugs(Ketamine, MDMA and methampetamine) simply because they have a longer history of use?

People have made that argument but personally I think all drugs should be legal, you should be able to put whatever you want into are own bodies as long as it doesn't effect anyone else, but we should also study and promote drugs with the best safety profile, personally I would legalse MDMA and Cannabis over alcohol and tobacco and if proven to be safe drugs like MXE, APB's and Nbomes should also should be legal but everyone has their personal opinions.

Now to drug policy, with the rate legal/new drugs are coming onto the market how do we regulate it with current methods?
Personally I think you can't, if the chemists making these estimate the number of analogues to each drug to be between 10-10000 how do
we change our laws to both regulate and control a growing "problem" like this.

Do we have a pharmaceutical type system where drugs are tested "extensively" before going to market?
Which could possibly worse seeing that these drugs have been misrepresented to both patients and doctors being told that they are much more effective than other drugs when they have only been tested against placebos/sugar pills to make them sound safer, and I have seen cases of unloading unsafe drugs to less devolved nations(Bayer and other Pharmaceutical companies sold HIV contaminated hemophilia blood products to Asia and Latin American Countries back in the 70's/80s causing numerous patients to become infected with HIV). Anything for a buck aye?

Do we offer an open market where you can sell/buy what they want?
Basically decriminalize all drugs and keep it the way it is just no laws to prosecute the dealers and users, this however has no quality control
which leads to "hot doses", overdose and impurities in all drugs.

Or government regulation?
I think this could work for some drugs but not all, Heroin for example could be put on a prescription like other pain medication and treat addicts like patients
not prisoners. But for something like weed there will be too much demand and it will continue to be grown buy the growers/dealers. This would be tricky
to implement and the government could/would be blamed for every overdose/death so is unlikely.

So BLers what is your opinion of what drugs/policies will look like in the future? Will we see the newest high being advertised in a magazine? Or will
we continue with the failing war on drugs? Or something different all together?

Would like to hear all opinions and ideas about this, don't be shy even if you don't agree with my opinions.
Peace.
 
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Do we have a pharmaceutical type system where drugs are tested "extensively" before going to market?

New Zealand's olive branch to RC manufacturers is one of the more interesting things in this regard (if you haven't heard, there's a proposal to legalize/regulate certain psychoactive drugs if they can prove that it has a "low risk of harm.")

I've always wondered what would happen if recreational drug compounds underwent a similar screening process that standard pharmaceuticals do today. The reason most RCs tend to suck is because the compounds are raided from research papers that care little but exploring how molecules react in the brain. There are very few rationally designed recreational RCs out there, certainly none that goes through trials. It is noteworthy that one that *was* rationally designed (MXE) ended up being one of the more popular ones. Also, poor quality control (including poor synthesis and cut product) probably contributes to the poor reputation of many RCs, a legal market would clean up that act.

This is one of the "wild cards" of the future because it all depends on exactly what New Zealand means in their experiment. One problem is that the most popular RCs tend to be stimulants, and probably most of them are too questionable to pass the "low risk of harm" threshold (depends on how low the bar is, people don't die on monoamine releasers but some mess themselves up). I think a fair bit of RC tryptamines *do* carry a low risk of harm but they are not as popular. MXE and others in their class are kind of "in between" risk wise.

It's a wild card, though. I think the only certainly is the growing acceptance of cannabis. There will come a time when history will look about as darkly on cannabis prohibition as alcohol prohibition.
 
You will be able to pick up any opiate you wanted over the counter at the drug store...if only this could come true in my lifetime
 
Man I really hope LSD doesn't disapear. It is the one drug I want to try more than any other. I just know fucking RCs are going to replace it. I hate RCs:X
 
Lsd may be becoming rarer but there will still always be that small group of people willing to synth it.
Sad how the government thinks they are helping and saving lives when they do a big bust for drugs like lsd and mdma but it's the opposite.

RCs aren't the enemy it's the scum bags passing them off as something else.
 
Lsd may be becoming rarer but there will still always be that small group of people willing to synth it.
Sad how the government thinks they are helping and saving lives when they do a big bust for drugs like lsd and mdma but it's the opposite.

RCs aren't the enemy it's the scum bags passing them off as something else.


Yeah that's what I mean. Plenty of people will still sell you 'LSD' but it is never actually LSD. It would be fine if as you said, people sold RCs as RCs, but dealers always just sell them as classic drugs.
 
I envision a mu-agonist ndma-antagonist without the side effects of dependence or bodily damage.
 
New Zealand's olive branch to RC manufacturers is one of the more interesting things in this regard (if you haven't heard, there's a proposal to legalize/regulate certain psychoactive drugs if they can prove that it has a "low risk of harm.")

I've always wondered what would happen if recreational drug compounds underwent a similar screening process that standard pharmaceuticals do today. The reason most RCs tend to suck is because the compounds are raided from research papers that care little but exploring how molecules react in the brain. There are very few rationally designed recreational RCs out there, certainly none that goes through trials. It is noteworthy that one that *was* rationally designed (MXE) ended up being one of the more popular ones. Also, poor quality control (including poor synthesis and cut product) probably contributes to the poor reputation of many RCs, a legal market would clean up that act.

This is one of the "wild cards" of the future because it all depends on exactly what New Zealand means in their experiment. One problem is that the most popular RCs tend to be stimulants, and probably most of them are too questionable to pass the "low risk of harm" threshold (depends on how low the bar is, people don't die on monoamine releasers but some mess themselves up). I think a fair bit of RC tryptamines *do* carry a low risk of harm but they are not as popular. MXE and others in their class are kind of "in between" risk wise.

It's a wild card, though. I think the only certainly is the growing acceptance of cannabis. There will come a time when history will look about as darkly on cannabis prohibition as alcohol prohibition.

Yeah I have heard of New Zealand's new laws, but I'm not sure how it will work for the government. If there is even a few deaths/overdoses caused by the compounds they deem safe there in my opinion at least be a backlash but hopefully regulating them will reduce these incidents. But then again RC's would probably go in to black markets eventually anyway which would just be more bad cuts/synths to make it cheaper. Not sure if they plan on taxing them(or how much) but I imagine it would kinda be like alcohol/moonshine.

Also they have released some of the interim chemicals/products.
http://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/...hoactive-substances/interim-product-approvals

After looking at them it just makes me wonder why they just didn't legalize cannabis. Most of the products seem to be cannabinoids which most people would class as more dangerous/addictive than regular weed. I haven't even heard off some of the others on the list.

I don't see any psychedelic RC's getting approval but you never know.

Well you mentioned MXE, personally that had a very abusive nature(I loved the euphoric diss feeling) to it but I know people would defend(not that I'm against it lol) it for its anti-depression effects and the chemist who discovered it said he wanted something to help his phantom limb syndrome. I think drugs should be tested for their medical benefit(if there is one) as well as getting high safely.
 
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i'm thinking that someone will work with opiates for so long that they concoct a full agonist opioid that has the easy wds of bupe but the hard hitting high of oxy or dilaudid or even oxymorphone
 
I find Bupe to be way more "hard hitting" than Oxy, and Im pretty sure Bupe withdrawal is everything but easy.
 
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