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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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The establishment is in your head.


lol I have a fine ass russian woman in my immediate cum tray and it has me thinking about it more in depth
 
It doesn't matter. He'd need many times that to flip just georgia. And he'd need to flip way more than just Georgia.

It's simply not plausible.
 
I'm not suggesting that it will change the election, but (if it is true) isn't it the highest level of voter fraud a US election has ever seen?
 
birdup.snaildown said:
I'm not suggesting that it will change the election, but (if it is true) isn't it the highest level of voter fraud a US election has ever seen?
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I've seen no evidence it's fraud at all. Just human error.

And no, it's pretty standard and in fact was always pretty likely the recount would result in a change of potentially hundreds of votes.

A thousand isn't especially unusual.

Small amounts of human error don't matter. Small amounts of fraud don't even matter. It only matters when it reaches an amount that could change the final result, and there's no evidence anything like that has happened either on purpose or by mistake.
 
A thousand isn't especially unusual.
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It's 1400 in 3 Georgia counties. There are 159 counties in Georgia.
Normally the vote count across an entire state changes by a couple of hundred with a recount.
That's what I expected to happen.

All three of the counties are pushing Trump's vote up.
It seems strange how "human error" isn't pushing Biden's vote up in any county.

You really don't think this is unusual?
Can you point out another US federal election when something like this happened?

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Small amounts of fraud don't even matter.
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Fraud doesn't matter...?
 
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There were 156,928 votes counted total in those three counties. Trump got 101,337 of these.
The uncounted votes for Trump amount to just shy of 14% of the total Trump votes counted.
That's nearly one in every seven votes for Trump that were not counted?

Seems incredibly suspicious to me.
 
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There's been a bunch on the state level. Some resulting in tens of thousands of votes added to a candidates lead.

It has to be kept in mind that recounts aren't especially common usually.

Doing some googling it appears on average recounts shift the numbers by about 0.024%. Which at the number of votes in georgia. Is about 1,200 votes.

And that's just the average, as I said some recounts have resulted in vastly more than average because someone fucked up.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
It's 1400 in 3 Georgia counties. There are 159 counties in Georgia.
Normally the vote count across an entire state changes by a couple of hundred with a recount.
That's what I expected to happen.

All three of the counties are pushing Trump's vote up.
It seems strange how "human error" isn't pushing Biden's vote up in any county.

You really don't think this is unusual?
Can you point out another US federal election when something like this happened?



Fraud doesn't matter...?
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So long as it's small enough? No it doesn't.

You're not going to realistically have both an election people can vote in and ensure not 1 single vote anywhere wasn't deliberately manipulated.

What matters is that it not be high enough to realistically change the ultimate result.

EDIT: I'll also add that given the ENORMOUS turnout this year plus covid, it's not surprising that there may be more actual numbers of ballots that got messed up this time. Again it doesn't matter provided it doesn't represent too high a percentage.

Bidens victory is in several swing states quite significant margins. That much fraud just isn't believable to me. Especially not when there's been particular focus on security after 2016. Hell this year a lot of the counting has been streamed on the internet. I just don't buy some massively sophisticated fraud of the kind that would change enough votes to matter.

Trump lost. In the end I doubt even Georgia's result will change let alone several other states.
 
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I don't expect the results of the election to change. Like I said, Kanye is as likely to win as Trump... but if I was American I'd want to know just how much fraud occurred. Fraud still matters.

Not sure if you read the article I posted, but there was also a box of votes for Biden with an extra 9,000 fake Biden votes that a Republican observer picked up on.

These are all red counties in Georgia. Clearly some anti-Trump vote counters attempted to push the election in Biden's favor. I find it astounding that doesn't bother you.

The 2000 election rested on the state of Florida. Gore lost by a couple of hundred votes. If the margin between Trump and Biden was this close, the "small amount of fraud" that you say doesn't matter would have changed the results of that election.

Perhaps Gore won?
 
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Doing some googling it appears on average recounts shift the numbers by about 0.024%. Which at the number of votes in georgia. Is about 1,200 votes.

And that's just the average, as I said some recounts have resulted in vastly more than average because someone fucked up.
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Maybe I was wrong about recounts changing the vote by a couple of hundred. I read that somewhere a while back. I tried to have a look for other presidential election recounts and couldn't find any other than the Green party in 2016, Gore in 2000 and Trump in 2020.

When you say other recounts have resulted in vastly more than 0.024%... what presidential recounts are you talking about? (Not saying you're wrong, just want to have a look into it more.)
 
I wasn't talking about presidential recounts. Frankly I haven't been able to find any real data about presidential recounts. It may not exist, if might be if you wanted to find out you'd have to put the data together one election at a time.

I was able to find data for state elections though, even out of thousands of those the number of recounts is very small. But some of them did have more unusually large numbers of ballots found. And I did find that number representing the average shift that happens in recounts, I wanna say it was from a different article talking about presidential elections but I don't recall (sorry I'm kinda tired right now).

Look, if there really were a massive fraud that actually stole the election from trump, I'd want it to come out. Much as I hate trump, if the system were that vulnerable, it would be critically important that the country know.

It's just that right now the kind of stuff I'm seeing doesn't strike me as particularly strange given the huge turnout. Finding these kinds of mistakes isn't especially unlikely. They probably happen every election.

What matters is that there have been no widespread deliberate fraud to steal the election for either candidate, and that there have been no widespread incompetence so large as to change the result to the wrong candidate.

Frankly this all still seems a really long way from that.

Bidens lead is just too large.

And well. There doesn't seem to be anything of substance that sparked these fears. Just trump crying foul that he lost which he was always going to do.
 
You keep saying "it's not going to change the result of the election".
And I keep saying "I know".
We're going in circles.

I know it's not widespread enough to change the election.
That's not my point.

It just seems a bit odd that all "human error" has either removed Trump votes or added Biden votes.
 
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You keep saying "it's not going to change the result of the election".
And I keep saying "I know".
We're going in circles.

I know it's not widespread enough to change the election.
That's not my point.

It just seems a bit odd that all "human error" has either removed Trump votes or added Biden votes.
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That does not mean that fraud is the only explanation. Especially when this election has had this unusual one side voting by mail another voting in person shit.

The likelyhood of mistakes disproportionately affecting one candidate may be higher than normal for that reason.

Even if you could show that there was actual fraud in parts of Georgia that's still a long way from showing that Biden didn't rightfully win. Because Biden didn't win because of Georgia alone.

And that's the part I care about. Not if there was isolated incidents of small scale human error or even fraud. But if Bidens win is legitimate or not.

Way I see it, it's simply not at all plausible that it's not. It would require massive fraud in multiple states, and I just don't see that being the case.
 
You've responded to what I said, but you keep also responding to stuff I'm not saying.

All good, Jess. Don't worry about it.
You're a democrat. You can't help it.
 
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