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Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

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birdup.snaildown said:
Why did none of the Biden's deny that it was his laptop?
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Not wanting to indulge stupid conspiracy theories? I sometimes ignore questions I find so stupid or offensive as to be unworthy of any discussion.

Besides. Are the Bidens liars or not? Cause if they are, it's not like it would mean anything if they'd denied it.

So unless it was under oath, I don't see how denying or not denying proves anything in either direction. Either action is consistent with it being both true or not true.

Personally I find it difficult to believe the story. How stupid would you have to be to take your laptop loaded with piles and piles of child porn in to be fixed?

And then to not even ask for it back?

Even if this weren't hunter Biden we're talking about it stretches belief.

If you cared so little about getting the laptop back and it had such dangerous evidence on it linking you with some of the most hated crimes that exist, surely you'd just destroy it rather than have it fixed?

It doesn't make sense, and when something doesn't make sense, very frequently it's cause it's simply not true.
 
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JessFR said:
Watch me.
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If the Biden's had a history of taking the high road and not bothering to deny things that were patently absurd, you might have a point... but they do the opposite. Hunter travelled all over the country. I don't know why it's so hard to believe (considering his wealth and drug/alcohol history) that he might drop off a laptop and forget about it or not bother to pick it up. Also, the FBI took possession of the laptop in 2019.

Also, if it was a fake laptop they would be claiming much worse stuff than some emails and some nude photos of Hunter.
 
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birdup.snaildown said:
If the Biden's had a history of taking the high road and not bothering to deny things that were patently absurd, you might have a point... but they do the opposite. Hunter travelled all over the country. I don't know why it's so hard to believe (considering his wealth and drug/alcohol history) that he might drop off a laptop and forget about it or not bother to pick it up. Also, the FBI took possession of the laptop in 2019.

Also, if it was a fake laptop they would be claiming much worse stuff than some emails and some nude photos of Hunter.
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It really depends on what's supposedly on the laptop.

I've heard different things from different tiers of trump diehards.

Last time it was piles and piles of child porn.

I looked into the laptop issue in my own a while back but it seemed to be either so absurd as to not be believable or too minor to be worth having trump over biden.

Plus there's the ongoing issue that nobody was actually suggesting electing hunter Biden.
 
I think the laptop is a non-event, don't get me wrong... but I believe it was Hunter's.

The Trump administration didn't claim that there was child porn on it.
 
novaveritas said:
If you tend towards hyperbole it undermines your supposed objective rationality, even if you do it by proxy by claiming everyone who disagrees with your world view must also be believers of a bunch of radical batshit theories, or are morons or both.

Objectively the corona doom virus is real, but a seriously under performing candidate for the end of times virus X, so both extreme views are equally invalid. The view that it doesn't exist is invalid, the view that it's a significant threat to everyone on planet Earth is invalid too.

It is often the case that the best place to hide a lie is between two truths. So there may be grains of truth in the most batshit of theories, by dismissing it all out of hand as conspiracy theory proffered by swivel eyed conspiracy theorists you are not rationally examining anything, instead you are projecting your own prejudice. Instead try and see whether it is worth panning for the grains of truth in the dirt. Making people dismiss everything that doesn't fit the mainstream propaganda narrative as conspiracy theory is an old and powerful disinformation weapon.

Trump didn't hijack anything, the craziness was always there and he tapped into it, If anything Trump caused the underlying craziness to be more visible and it is unfortunate that this disturbed some world views about the reality of a rules based order and rational behavior in general.
Crazy is funding a bunch of Islamist cavemen in Afghanistan to beat the Russians and not expecting some kind of blowback down the line.
Crazy is allowing banks to socialize their losses but privatize the profits and expecting them not to do it again and again.
Crazy is racking up immense debt that can never be repaid and very soon the interest cannot be serviced, the fabled Minsky moment.
Crazy is thinking giving everyone 1000 USD makes everyone richer, when all it does is move the zero point to 1000,

Those are all crazy and yet these things existed long before Trump the Alt right or whatever other label you want to attach to it. When the tide goes out you see who is naked, under Trump the tide went out a long way.

If you are smart enough to realize this is the truth, then don't stare into the abyss too long.
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So coming from a far left stance maybe we should try some right wing tactics and have a quick authoritarian crackdown and fire every cop who voted for trump.
 
Dropperneck said:
Lol love you Jess! What are your thoughts on neo liberal mainstream media conspiracy theories like russia? It really paints things in a bad light. As someone that despises rightoid conspiracies.
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You'd have to give specific examples.

You're right though I disbelieve the vast vast majority of conspiracy theories. Even using a pretty generous definition of the term.

The only conspiracies I miiight believe in is that foreign actors are using the internet to deliberately promote chaos in the societies of their enemies. Such as ours.

It's simple, is consistent with every day reality, requires only modest resources and human competency. And frankly it's something any smart state would probably do.

I don't even believe in jfk. That his death was any more than the mainstream explanation that is. It's possible, and it's not one of the conspiracies is think less of anyone for believing (provided it doesn't get overly specific and convoluted). But I'm satisfied with the mainstream answer.
 
@JessFR

Biden's laptop isn't a conspiracy theory, is it?

(Not sure what your definition of a conspiracy theory is.)

Also political troll farms definitely exist. People have infiltrated them. I don't see how that's a conspiracy theory either?
 
JessFR said:
You'd have to give specific examples.

You're right though I disbelieve the vast vast majority of conspiracy theories. Even using a pretty generous definition of the term.

The only conspiracies I miiight believe in is that foreign actors are using the internet to deliberately promote chaos in the societies of their enemies. Such as ours.

It's simple, is consistent with every day reality, requires only modest resources and human competency. And frankly it's something any smart state would probably do.

I don't even believe in jfk. That his death was any more than the mainstream explanation that is. It's possible, and it's not one of the conspiracies is think less of anyone for believing (provided it doesn't get overly specific and convoluted). But I'm satisfied with the mainstream answer.
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Yup I don’t believe the popular ones either, minus Courtney killing Kurt I don’t believe any tbh. I find it interesting that an entire multi year media narrative was predicated on the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with russia. Super simple people still accept this as fact, and it’s super frightening. Wether a Obama birther or a russia truther, conspiracy creeps me out. Obviously it’s much easier to explain being a russia truther, since the bulk of the mainstream professed this narrative for years. It’s intriguing that some conspiracy is considered positive and other conspiracy is considered negative. Does the mainstream media get to be the gate keeper of what’s considered positive conspiracy? It’s a super creepy premise, all around
 
Dropperneck said:
Yup I don’t believe the popular ones either, minus Courtney killing Kurt I don’t believe any tbh. I find it interesting that an entire multi year media narrative was predicated on the conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with russia. Super simple people still accept this as fact, and it’s super frightening. Wether a Obama birther or a russia truther, conspiracy creeps me out. Obviously it’s much easier to explain being a russia truther, since the bulk of the mainstream professed this narrative for years. It’s intriguing that some conspiracy is considered positive and other conspiracy is considered negative. Does the mainstream media get to be the gate keeper of what’s considered positive conspiracy? It’s a super creepy premise, all around
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I don't believe the Cobain ones either.

I mean, it's not like 9/11 where I actively disbelieve them, it's more like JFK again where I can't begrudge people for believing it, I just don't see enough evidence to do so personally.

As for collusion with Russia. I believe Russia did attempt to interfere with the 2016 election, but I'm not sold that Trump was a knowing participant in it. I also don't believe that the interference was so large as to make trumps presidency illegitimate. Much as I might wish it weren't so, I accept trump as the legitimate winner of the 2016 election and always have.

To me there are conspiracy theories, which is to say simply theories about people conspiring. And "conspiracy theories" which are overly complicated theories people get sucked into that simply aren't plausible.

The former are conspiracies that don't require a lot of resources, coordination, or competency to accomplish. The latter require seemingly impossible levels of complexity and resources.

It's the former I am open to, the latter I'm not.
 
birdup.snaildown said:
@JessFR

Biden's laptop isn't a conspiracy theory, is it?

(Not sure what your definition of a conspiracy theory is.)

Also political troll farms definitely exist. People have infiltrated them. I don't see how that's a conspiracy theory either?
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As for the laptop, no it probably isn't. But there may be claims about what was on it and how what's on it has been suppressed and what it means that stray into conspiracy land.

And as for troll farms, well no in suppose you can argue it's not a conspiracy theory. It's just the closest I can think of of something involving people conspiring that I believe in.
 
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