Election 2020 The Final Countdown v. Nov. 3rd

[JGrimez]

Jesus you guys are such bad losers.

hahahahahahahahahahahah

Yet alleged fraud by the Democrats who have direct institutional control over the swing states in question, and who we know would stoop to that level to cheat Trump and continue their agenda, that's impossible and unworthy of investigation.
Right....

 

[OpiateKiller]

hahahahahahahahahahahah

says the person who believed that Russia somehow, miraculously and without evidence, altered the last election result for Trump.
Yet alleged fraud by the Democrats who have direct institutional control over the swing states in question, and who we know would stoop to that level to cheat Trump and continue their agenda, that's impossible and unworthy of investigation.
Right....

Grimez you're a Trump supporter right? G bless hope we survive this one

 

[alasdairm]

seems you must of just ignored it on a long list of bill clintons pardons or did not acutally look because it comes up within 5 seconds of googling

chill dude. i said quite plainly that my search was brief and i asked for links because i knew i may easily have missed a case. i used the wikipedia list (because it was the easiest one to find and it's laid out simply) and mel reynolds is not on that list. so i neither ignored it nor didn't look. your assumption is wrong.

so one case? you said "Bill clinton gave so many of his friends full pardons even though those people were convicted for the most horrible crimes on children". one case is hardly so many, is it?

alasdair

 

[JessFR]

It is conventionally considered the most important right is the right to vote. Since it's the right that enables you to make changes to your leadership.

And trump has been abysmal as protecting that. Deliberately attempting to prevent people from mail in voting, in spite of no evidence of widespread fraud, which not only disenfranchises people but puts them in danger too given the pandemic.

Then when the people DID have their say, and his attempts to influence the election failed, he has done everything he can to try and ignore the american people.

That is hardly protecting americans rights.

And no, there's zero evidence the election was stolen. Nobody has put forth any compelling evidence that there has been the kind of manipulation that would swing an entire election, now or in the past other than other states attempting to influence the voters themselves.

In fact the only recent examples of attempting to influence the results of large numbers of ballots is from trump trying to sabotage mail in voting. The system he himself uses. Because he knew that the more people vote, the less likely he was to win.

Because the truth is... the majority of americans aren't trump fans, the majority of americans aren't even republicans.

But apparently the trump administrations efforts weren't near enough. He did succeed in his goal of slowing down mail in voting though. Which he clearly did so he could cast them as a fraud.

Which means he's a president who is knowingly and deliberately calling hundreds of thousands of americans legally cast votes fraudulant.

That is not a president protecting rights, that's a president that has zero respect for the democratic system that empowered him, and is attempting to cling to power like a dictator by ignoring the will of the people,

 

[Deleted member 521610]

chill dude. i said quite plainly that my search was brief and i asked for links because i knew i may easily have missed a case. i used the wikipedia list (because it was the easiest one to find and it's laid out simply) and mel reynolds is not on that list. so i neither ignored it nor didn't look. your assumption is wrong.

so one case? you said "Bill clinton gave so many of his friends full pardons even though those people were convicted for the most horrible crimes on children". one case is hardly so many, is it?

alasdair

I just gave you one example, Now he even pardon his own brother for cocaine use and his brothers cocaine plugs this is a major abuse of power to just give your own family pardons.

Bill Clinton pardon controversy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[JessFR]

If trump pardons himself (and not even getting into all his questionable pardons)... are you gonna remember this argument?

Or is it gonna be kinda like saying trump would win by a landslide.

Besides, I don't see anyone where saying that clinton was a perfect president. Or that the democrats are completely without mistake or corruption.

But trump is in a whole other league. Not than any democrat, but any previous president period, democrat or republican.

The only other presidents I'd say can compete with him at all would be...

John Adams for spitting on the first amendment with the sedition act.
James Buchanan, driving the country into civil war.
And Richard Nixon, self explanatory.

Is trump worse than all of them? Ehhhhhhh..... he's definitely close. Depends on by what measure, He hasn't lead the country into civil war... yet.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

if trump pardons himself then yes thats also bad. But trump is top 5 US presidents of all time. And by far the most peaceful president signing endless peace treaties in the middle east and actually getting north korea to three meetings and stepping foot on north korea. Idk how you think hes worse than clinton when clinton is by the far the top 3 worst US presidents of all time.

 

[JessFR]

Clintons didn't intentionally cause hundreds of thousands of American deaths.

Clinton didn't try to hold onto power like a despot by casting bushes victory as a fraud.

Neither did Bush fot that matter. Or Obama. Or Bush sr.

Just trump.

 

[OpiateKiller]

71 million Americans voted for Trump. In PERSON. Not mailed IN.

Good game call that a wrap.

But don't worry even if they try to say he lost, people like me got plenty of guns ammo and nothing to lose.

1776 round 2 LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE

AR-15 ACTIVATED

 

[Xorkoth]

It really blows my mind how many people fell for a clinically narcissistic reality show star's bullshit. I don't understand how you can watch/listen to him speak over the past 4 years and come to the conclusion that he was a good president. I think he did a few things right, but I was against most of his policy decisions (looking just at policy, not personality), and the idea that he was actually interested in the American people and not his own ego games seems ridiculous to me. How can you listen to the guy's words and inflection and watch his body language and not see what I see? I get that a whole lot of people see something different, I just don't get it. There is no way history is going to look kindly on this presidency.

 

[cduggles]

No personal insults. The hammer is polished.

 

[JessFR]

71 million Americans voted for Trump. In PERSON. Not mailed IN.

Good game call that a wrap.

But don't worry even if they try to say he lost, people like me got plenty of guns ammo and nothing to lose.

1776 round 2 LAND OF THE FREE HOME OF THE BRAVE

AR-15 ACTIVATED

So then trumps vote is also fraudulent right? It's mailed in.


Also frankly I think people like you are all talk. I've been hearing them say for years about how close they are to using their guns to take America back or whatever. They never do it. I'm not concerned.

 

[alasdairm]

I just gave you one example,

indeed. in which case, for now, i rate this claim as false:

Bill clinton gave so many of his friends full pardons even though those people were convicted for the most horrible crimes on children.

thanks.

alasdair

 

[JessFR]

I strongly suspect trump will pardon himself.

He has no moral principles and cares only about himself. So the only reason he wouldn't is cause it would hurt his interests. Soon as the last tiniest possibility that he might find a way to stay in power disappears, probably after the electoral college votes, that reason will disappear.

And seeing as he knows he's facing a lot of legal troubles once he loses the protection of the presidency, I can't see him not doing it.

 

[Deleted member 521610]

I strongly suspect trump will pardon himself.

He has no moral principles and cares only about himself. So the only reason he wouldn't is cause it would hurt his interests. Soon as the last tiniest possibility that he might find a way to stay in power disappears, probably after the electoral college votes, that reason will disappear.

And seeing as he knows he's facing a lot of legal troubles once he loses the protection of the presidency, I can't see him not doing it.

i think his inner circle will convince him not to pardon himself plus it may not even stop some of the cases. He would be better off just fighting them but this will drain more money.

 

[JGrimez]

As I've said here for years, I've always maintained that they tried this election fraud (tipping the scales) last time but underestimated the support for Trump and he ended up winning anyway (insert talk of illegitimate president and unproven election interference). Looks like they've had 4 years to correct their mistakes - which is why they stopped counting on election night and then a mathematically miraculous number of votes arrived afterwards in key swing states - but the problem now is that the entire world is watching so closely that I don't think they're going to be able to get away with fraud this blatant, even with the entire media apparatus backing them up (including Fox News).

Grimez you're a Trump supporter right? G bless hope we survive this one

I stopped supporting Trump a couple of years ago but one of the upsides to Trump winning last time was bringing to light some of the deep corruption within the government. By doing repeated unlawful attacks against him in a desperate attempt to remove him they just further exposed how they operate. Now If Trump lost a fair election then I would respect that decision. Obviously I would prefer Trump and I don't have much faith in the entire system in general even with him at the helm, but what Leftists are refusing to admit (most probably unaware) is that they lost big this election. It was overall a rejection of their agenda and it further proved how bullshit their pollsters are (as if we needed anymore convincing after last time).

Remember the 2016 and 2020 primaries when Bernie Sanders was cheated? Even many Leftists tell the truth and admit he was cheated out of both nominations.
William Barr Begins Widespread Probe of Substantial Allegations and Statistical Voting Anomalies
This is HA Goodman, one of the few Leftists who tells truth and attempts to clean up his own by party by holding the leaders accountable for their actions. It's thanks to him that I learned so much of the details of the Hillary server scandal and the class action lawsuit that was on behalf of Bernie Sanders supporters against the DNC. They took them to court and DNC officials basically admitted that they do not need to be impartial and to listen to their constituents.

I'd currently estimate Trump's chances of retaining the presidency at 50/50. If he is lawfully decided to be re-elected then there will be chaos in the streets and may require temporary martial law. Trump just replaced his Sec of Defense the one who earlier in the year refused to deploy active-duty military to quell riots in US cities.

Buckle up, this is far from over.

 

[TheInvisibleStoner]

did you know joe biden protects pedophiles? Just the same as the clintons. Bill clinton gave so many of his friends full pardons even though those people were convicted for the most horrible crimes on children.

Show me 1 for Biden?

Again, Bill Clinton is not the president elect. What does he have to do with anything?

Watch people across the world celebrate Joe Biden's win - CNN Video

From impromptu trumpet solos to dancing in the street, President-elect Joe Biden's victory over President Donald Trump sparked worldwide celebrations.

www.cnn.com

This is what the USA looked like saturday. Happy people.

Here is when trump started.

Empty. Nobody likes trump, plain and simple. I hope it does come out he was cheated. Goes to show you that he is no master and people will go above and beyond to remove him.

 

[novaveritas]

It's usually not the president who's making the claims of fraud though.

Most previous presidents have cared about American unity and preserving faith in democracy.

Whereas Al Gore was only a VP right?

Sanctimonious smugness and inability to see that both sides have many more things in common than separates them runs deep. Use of the terms like them, they, shows you do not recognize any commonality, that is the division and you are the divisiveness.

When you stare into the abyss the abyss stares back.

The system is rotten and like a fish it rots from the head down, cheering for one festering part of it over another is disingenuous and a complete waste of energy. Fuck elephant people vs donkey people distinctions, broaden your church, start fixing the goddamn country or someone will, probably Mao style. The State needs to back their boot off the peoples throats. The winning side in the recent reality TV show need to avoid mis-using the powers of State to punish and steal from the losing side.

Trumpo is probably done, Good, The dynamic that created Trump is still there, if you want to identify the root cause look at labor participation and labor as a proportion of GDP since 1990. What do you think Biden is going to do? I guess more of the same Wall Street handouts, backhanders to insiders. Exactly like Trump. Goldman Sachs and Raytheon win every US election.

A cynic would predict we will be having the exact same wailing in another four.

 

[JessFR]

Gore wasn't making accusations of fraud that undermined the electoral system. It was just about correctly counting about 500 ballots.

Gore also never went on the news claiming observers were being prevented from ensuring a fair election while his lawyers, who actually have to tell the truth, were having to admit in court that that was a lie.

To me. This isn't about republican vs Democrat. It's about Democrat and sane Republicans vs a sickness that has taken over a portion of the republican party.

 

[novaveritas]

Gore wasn't making accusations of fraud that undermined the electoral system. It was just about correctly counting about 500 ballots.

Gore also never went on the news claiming observers were being prevented from ensuring a fair election while his lawyers, who actually have to tell the truth, were having to admit in court that that was a lie.

To me. This isn't about republican vs Democrat. It's about Democrat and sane Republicans vs a sickness that has taken over a portion of the republican party.

Sanctimonious, orange man bad, hate orange man therefore I am good. A sickness? sane, insane, give it a break.

Gore was 20 years ago, If it was today his PR Media spin people would be doing exactly what Trump has done.
One thing for certain there will be election irregularities, there are every single election. Enough to change the result? probably not. The dog and pony show can continue, everyone can continue to pretend your vote matters, give you the illusion of control of your destiny in exchange for compliance with diktats from above. Hope and change and all that.

The abyss says hi and is not going to blink.