The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

[What 23]

"Race is just a social construct."

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https://books.google.com/books?id=I...a=X&ei=f_CsVLLEKI75yQTjh4HgDg&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAg

 

[Bardeaux]

Race is a social construct. We went over this before. It's changed meanings several times over the years. From a group of people who share the same language, to a group of people who live in the same region, to a group of people who practice the same religion, now to ethnic similarity.

Ethnicities are what we're really discussing here.

 

[What 23]

^Unless she is God too you aren't allowed.

-Satan

Bardeaux-

Well, whatever it is, we are different... Different enough to be special.

 

[Bardeaux]

Bardeaux-

Well, whatever it is, we are different. Different enough to be special.

We are different, no one is stating otherwise. The differences though, are so superficial that it means next to nothing. Skin tone, eye color, are these things really that important? These are our differences. This is what racism and bigotry stem from, superficialities like these. Find me the smartest white guy you can find and I'll find you a smarter black guy, and vice versa.

Cultural difference is subject to change, and has been since the beginning of man. The Chinese, for example have gone from a fractured region of a dozen warring states into a singular state with thriving cosmopolitan cities within the past 60 years. If you'd like to keep what ever traditions or cultural traits you enjoy, keep them. Things are going to continue to change around you though, they always have and they always will. Some of it will be positive, some may be negative. But it's just reality. I would stop wasting my time fearing change and start embracing the things you personally enjoy while others do the same.

Also, we're not very special and we're not very different. Aside from the mentioned superficial traits, you're no different from a black man, or Asian or Latino.

 

[What 23]

They are not just superficial. You state a belief with absolutely no evidence. You are a fucking moron. I'll take the warning.

I have mentioned plenty of things that differ in races (peoples, whatever). The unique peoples of Europe have been shaped over thousands of years by forces of selection, to be as they are- unique peoples. You are suggesting that mass immigration and abrupt change of people is just fine and dandy. Your willful ignorance/denial is astounding. No doubt you're still at the "I'm a hot rebellious progressive stud" phase of age 25 or so. Not to say you'll change your mind... But in the face of data, you are a fucking dumbass... Or in denial, or ignorant.

For all your intelligence, it is amazing how stupid you are.

Brainwashed.

I hope we go to war. Tear this fucking globalist bullshit down.

 

[Bardeaux]

^Not a single rebuttal in this rant.

Your argument with me earlier was stacked with hundreds of pages of evidence you refused to read.

You are a fucking moron. I'll take the warning.

That's a generous offer, but you'll take the point.

 

[What 23]

I have time and time again provided examples of how it is not just superficial. At the very least, the gist of what I say should at least spark a question. You are as closed minded as my mom is about her God.

 

[Bardeaux]

Beyond skin tone, hair color, eye color, other slightly variant external traits, along with other superficial differences, what makes you so physically different from say, a black neighbor?

I'm all about science, man. If you can prove the sky is made of candy, I'll change my point of view about the sky. Prove something to me.

 

[What 23]

I told you they are more than just superficial, and now you are asking me to tell you how we are physically different.

Wow. I mean I can. But is that really what you meant to ask?

Generally, the Black jaw/mouth protrudes further. Their forehead to jaw angle is different. Sloped. Not always but it is prevalent. This is a trait that I don't have, quite, and is not nearly as common in Whites. It is also found in dogs, cats, monkeys, other animals, which may have in the past and present reinforced ideas that they are lower.

Their brains on average are less massive.

They lack the newer alleles of ASPM and Microcephalin at any frequency similar to outside of them (suggesting they weren't selected for/their populations were isolated from where it arose), but I lack exact data. Whatever those do, I don't know for sure. They do have to do with the brain formation. Studies are at best inconclusive, but they came about when civilizations started to form, along with written language, art, agriculture, not in that order necessarily.

Muscle connections are different, to bone, at least in the variety we have here in the U.S. As stated in a previous post, their muscles develop faster, and they can often sit up and walk earlier than White children.

A black neighbor may have greater bone density.

Physically, they have alleles that correlate with fast twitch muscle at a higher rate (West Africans) than Whites. I am not saying this is bad or good. For the rest really, either.

Teeth are different.

He will smell different, he will have different levels of hormones, he will have hair suited for his environment, and skin for it.

But beyond superficial, I don't see any really greatness coming out of Africa, from Blacks. You don't hear about anything leading in Africa. Oh, but maybe that is our fault.

Blue eyes are not just superficial. They are mutations which confer disadvantages. They correlate with less neuromelanin, which is thought to play a role in signal transmission in the brain. Brown eyes are default, and correlate with higher neuromelanin in the brain. In at least one study, those with brown eyes had faster reaction times and processing speed than those with blue eyes. That is, their brains/nerves transmitted signals faster. Those with blue eyes have a disadvantage, but also seem to be more strategic thinkers. Of course, the difference is numbers from many, and probably minor, but over populations, such traits could have an effect. Many are quick to cry foul, but it is very plausible. Having a disadvantage can lead to adaptive, strategic behavior.

 

[Bardeaux]

I told you they are more than just superficial

Oh, then in that case....

If differences in human ethnicities are more than superficial differences, then yes. Prove something to me. We've already covered that there is no difference in IQ. Is there an ethnicity that can breathe underwater or has four stomachs? What are the major differences?

On average the Black jaw/mouth protrudes further. This is a trait that I don't have, and is not nearly as common in Whites. It is also found in dogs, cats, monkeys...

How is that not a superficial trait? There are white people with an extremely vast array of different skull shapes than other white people. This is a superficial difference.

 

[What 23]

Well, I was going ahead and humoring you. How is IQ the same? What? Everything I've read is on the contrary.

And with the jaw to forehead angle (more significant, jaw out), Blacks most often have this. It is not equally distributed among races by any means, and it is highly common in more primitive animals, up to erectus and the other hominids, and less so in us.

I kept writing in my last post, to get to what I figured you might go for. How are we different in non "superficial" ways.

Do you think that the last I don't know how many world record holders for the 100 yard sprint or whatever have been Black (West African) because they worked harder at it? Do you know how many people around the world make that their life?

 

[Bardeaux]

You don't remember your tirade over "alleles that alter an ethnicity's IQ"?

And the subsequent dismantling of this theory?

 

[What 23]

I need to learn patience and just complete my posts. I have probably added more that you havent read.

It is not "dismantled". It is highly questioned. The jury is still out. We don't know what effect the mutated alleles have, exactly.

Just because the gene allele and IQ correspondence paper that I brought the abstract and highlights of was called into question in light of other papers... Doesn't mean IQ is the same. I don't know where you got that. Even mainstream sources still report the average for 'Blacks' is less than 'Whites'. The "jury is still out" as to why.

 

[paranoid android]

Race is a social construct. We went over this before. It's changed meanings several times over the years. From a group of people who share the same language, to a group of people who live in the same region, to a group of people who practice the same religion, now to ethnic similarity.

Ethnicities are what we're really discussing here.

I always thought that the social construct known as race was designed to group people together who had similar looks more or less atleast in modern times? I could be totally off there though. I fully admit that i always thought of the notion of race as being nothing more then a way for certain groups to feel superior to others and is thus a self serving, lazy and rather useless way of grouping people together. It was useful in justifying colonialism, various ethnic cleansing's, Apartheid, the Jim Crow laws, etc but that's about it and look how awesome all those things where 8) . I don't see any purpose in studying it further besides to demonstrate just how backwards and ignorant racists of any kind are as their views surrounding "race" such as corresponding intelligence, temperament, courage and what not are built upon their own prejudices as opposed to any kind of actual science. Basically i see it as far more telling of the persons own prejudices then anything else really.

Then again scientific racism is thought of as nothing but the worst kind of pseudoscience by all but a handful of Social Conservatives who still believe in the bullshit for some reason. It has been discredited by basically all of mainstream science and has as much validity as the notion of the mythical Aryan race that the Nazis came up with. The fact that some people on here still seem to think of it as a science is actually rather depressing to be honest.

 

[Bardeaux]

I need to learn patience and just complete my posts. I have probably added more that you havent read.

Yes, you do. I answer you, then come back an hour later and I've answered a completely different question

Even mainstream sources still report the average (IQ) for 'Blacks' is less than 'Whites'.

Alright, this is blatantly racist and against the BLUA. I'm not even going to ask for your "mainstream sources" or their methodology, or explain the difference between educational conditioning and intelligence. If you absolutely must defend this claim, my PM box is open.


It's been real(ish).